News Article: Leafs in COVID Protocol

[Crazy Monkey]

Its almost as if they didn't release 10 000 health care workers the past few months they wouldn't have shot themselves in the foot, especially in light of how the passport system does nothing to quell spread.

Source for your claim that 10000 health workers (specifically nurses, physicians and RTs) left Ontario hospitals because of vaccine mandates?

 

[Crazy Monkey]

Those are words that I recognize but it's nonsensical marketing-speak. As I stated in another thread (I think), the "protection" isn't a medical term, it's a marketing term. That should be a clue about what's going here.

Okay lol. Wasting my time here

 

[definedMF]

Source for your claim that 10000 health workers (specifically nurses, physicians and RTs) left Ontario hospitals because of vaccine mandates?

10000 across canada, tho majority across Ontario.

Provinces sacked almost 10,000 health care workers over vaccine mandates

 

[Crazy Monkey]

10000 across canada, tho majority across Ontario.

Provinces sacked almost 10,000 health care workers over vaccine mandates

Don't see anywhere there about Ontario losing 10k health care workers, let alone nurses, MDs and RTs. That's without even mentioning that some hospitals in Ont don't have a vaccine mandate

Majority? It says 1600 Ontario workers

The nursing shortage was a problem long before covid and has been exacerbated by burnout

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[shaner8989]

Beetuzzi the only player in the league unvaccinated. He got Covid. Was perfectly
Fine. Scored on his first game back.
99% fully vaccinated and we’re shutting down again. Something isn’t right

 

[francis246]

Beetuzzi the only player in the league unvaccinated. He got Covid. Was perfectly
Fine. Scored on his first game back.
99% fully vaccinated and we’re shutting down again. Something isn’t right

Shaner the only problem is Covid is not linar. It doesn’t affect everyone the same way. So you can’t reasonably conclude that because Bertuzzi was unvaccinated, had Covid and came back that others who are vaccinated should. Science doesn’t work like that. I think vaccine mandates are dumb and I’m vaccinated but everyone will respond to viruses differently

 

[Future]

It makes absolutely zero sense to test triple vaccinated asymptomatic players. We’re not going to have a season if they continue this practice. The NFL has even now stopped the testing of asymptomatic players.

The day people put their foot down and say enough is when we can all move on. In the meantime, you’ve got people arguing with each other, demonizing each other, and generally pointing fingers at fellow citizens for not doing enough.

21 months in…. Can we please start to hold the people responsible for the illogical policies, staffing shortages, lack of hospital capacity, and lack of early treatment options accountable? How are we not all yet on the same page with this?

 

[Pink Mist]

It makes absolutely zero sense to test triple vaccinated asymptomatic players. We’re not going to have a season if they continue this practice. The NFL has even now stopped the testing of asymptomatic players.

The day people put their foot down and say enough is when we can all move on. In the meantime, you’ve got people arguing with each other, demonizing each other, and generally pointing fingers at fellow citizens for not doing enough.

21 months in…. Can we please start to hold the people responsible for the illogical policies, staffing shortages, lack of hospital capacity, and lack of early treatment options accountable? How are we not all yet on the same page with this?

The problem with the idea that NHL players should only be tested when they're symptomatic is that NHL players and NHL teams are notorious for hiding injuries in order to keep playing.

What makes you think that NHL players will be so willing to reveal they have symptoms if that means they'll have to sit for up to 10 days?

 

[Future]

The problem with the idea that NHL players should only be tested when they're symptomatic is that NHL players and NHL teams are notorious for hiding injuries in order to keep playing.

What makes you think that NHL players will be so willing to reveal they have symptoms if that means they'll have to sit for up to 10 days?

That’s a solid point. Probably much more the case in the NFL as well. But you’d like to think a virus would be different. If a player is symptomatic, they know they’re much more contagious. If they play through it, there’s a higher risk that it spreads amongst the team, which would not be ideal. It’s tricky, but I don’t see any other way forward…. And there’s no evidence things will be different in the future even if the season were to be post-poned.

 

[Confucius]

The problem with the idea that NHL players should only be tested when they're symptomatic is that NHL players and NHL teams are notorious for hiding injuries in order to keep playing.

What makes you think that NHL players will be so willing to reveal they have symptoms if that means they'll have to sit for up to 10 days?/b]

Because its the decent thing to do, If I have covid symptoms and you come around you think I should tell you? Would you tell me if you had symptoms and we worked together?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[MSZ]

Holyshit

 

[Crazy Monkey]

Not surprising. Majority if not the entire team is infected. Wish them all a quick recovery

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Pause is obviously the way to go but were gonna be right back here two weeks post pause. With international travel no real solution/compromise to be made like the NFL is doing even.

Can they bring back the Canadian division mid year? At what doing do they legitimately consider it? I know that logistically it's probably impossible.

 

[Confucius]

Not surprising. Majority if not the entire team is infected. Wish them all a quick recovery

If the whole team gets infected what does that tell you about the vaccines. Would the storyline be they can't stop infections at all just the severity. I think some of the healthiest guys on the planet in their 20's and 30's would be well equipped to fight off severe infections anyway. At least that's what we were told at one time. Vaccinate the sick, elderly and those in constant contact first.

 

[Divine]

 

[Gabriel426]

They should had never gone to Alberta

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Kinda knew that Oilers game was the beginning of this. Atleast we got the win while getting some covid on the side.

 

[leafsfan5]

You could see this happening a mile away with the Edmonton game. Just awful

 

[pcruz]

If the whole team gets infected what does that tell you about the vaccines. Would the storyline be they can't stop infections at all just the severity. I think some of the healthiest guys on the planet in their 20's and 30's would be well equipped to fight off severe infections anyway. At least that's what we were told at one time. Vaccinate the sick, elderly and those in constant contact first.

That's not at all what you've been told from health care professionals though.

They haven't said that once vaccinated, that you won't get infected, nor have they said that "the healthiest guys on the planet in their 20's and 30's would be well equipped to fight off severe infections".

What has been consistent, to those who have paid attention, is that the chances of contracting, and of transmitting the virus are diminished for those who are vaccinated, and that everyone needs to be vaccinated because although the chances that younger, healthier people having severe symptoms are lower, they are a definite possibility for everyone.

The vaccines obviously also work, because the number of people with moderate to severe symptoms is drastically lower (respective to the number of infections) than it was before vaccinations were common.

Why did we say to "vaccinate the sick, elderly and those in constant contact" first? Because we didn't have the vaccines to give to everyone, nor did we have the "man-power" to vaccinate everyone simultaneously. We therefore, started with the most likely to have severe symptoms first, and then started working backwards from there.

 

[pcruz]

It makes absolutely zero sense to test triple vaccinated asymptomatic players. We’re not going to have a season if they continue this practice. The NFL has even now stopped the testing of asymptomatic players.

The day people put their foot down and say enough is when we can all move on. In the meantime, you’ve got people arguing with each other, demonizing each other, and generally pointing fingers at fellow citizens for not doing enough.

21 months in…. Can we please start to hold the people responsible for the illogical policies, staffing shortages, lack of hospital capacity, and lack of early treatment options accountable? How are we not all yet on the same page with this?

While you're right, it's the people who have dragged their ass on the vaccination and have generally gone against the health care regulations, that have slowed down our progression through this thing.

Why test asymptomatic players?

Well, the NHL has a duty of care for all of their employees, they also have a duty of care for the people in the buildings (staff and general public). If the NHL is found to not taking reasonable measures to reduce the spread of a deadly, highly infectious disease, then they would be legally liable.

If there is the chance that asymptomatic players infecting other players unwillingly, then the NHL needs to know at the earliest possible time, who is infected and not allow those players to play. That's just common sense.


As for holding public officials responsible, who have progressively handicapped the health care systems....well that has absolutely nothing to do with testing players, and the duty of care the NHL holds.
That is up to the general public to voice their opinion going forward, at the voting booth.

We can't have it where we actively support someone who tells us they are going to pass cuts to the health care system in order to "save us tax dollars" and then get upset when the health care system is overwhelmed in a time of a global pandemic.

 

[Stigma]

I hate this.