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[TD]Games Played[/TD]
[TD]Round[/TD]
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[TD]Draft and Player[/TD]

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1​
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3​
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5​
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7​
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[TD]Grand Total[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]2014 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
87​
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[TD]
87​
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aaron Haydon[/TD]
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[TD]Alex Peters[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Brent Moran[/TD]
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[TD]Brett Pollock[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]John Nyberg[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Julius Honka[/TD]

[TD]
87​
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[TD]
87​
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Michael Prapavessis[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Miro Karjalainen[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2015 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
298​
[/TD]

[TD]
392​
[/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD]
690​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chris Martenet[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Denis Gurianov[/TD]

[TD]
298​
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[TD]
298​
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[TD]Joseph Cecconi[/TD]
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[TD]Markus Ruusu[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Roope Hintz[/TD]
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[TD]
392​
[/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD]
392​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2016 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
18​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
8​
[/TD]

[TD]
41​
[/TD]

[TD]
36​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
103​
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Colton Point[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fredrik Karlstrom[/TD]
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[TD]
8​
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[TD]
8​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jakob Stenqvist[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Nicholas Caamano[/TD]
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[TD]
36​
[/TD]

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[TD]
36​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rhett Gardner[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD]
41​
[/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD]
41​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Riley Tufte[/TD]

[TD]
18​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
18​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2017 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
618​
[/TD]

[TD]
292​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
83​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]
996​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brett Davis[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Dylan Ferguson[/TD]
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[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jacob Peterson[/TD]
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[TD]
83​
[/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD]
83​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jake Oettinger[/TD]

[TD]
193​
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[TD]
193​
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jason Robertson[/TD]
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[TD]
292​
[/TD]

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[TD]
292​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Liam Hawel[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Miro Heiskanen[/TD]

[TD]
425​
[/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD]
425​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2018 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
151​
[/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD]
7​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
158​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Adam Mascherin[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Albin Eriksson[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Curtis Douglas[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dawson Barteaux[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jermaine Loewen[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Oskar Back[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Riley Damiani[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD]
7​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
7​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ty Dellandrea[/TD]

[TD]
151​
[/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD]
151​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2019 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
119​
[/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
119​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ben Brinkman[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Nicholas Porco[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Samuel Sjolund[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Thomas Harley[/TD]

[TD]
119​
[/TD]

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[TD]
119​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
1​
[/TD]

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[TD]
1​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Antonio Stranges[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Daniel Ljungman[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Evgeniy Oksentyuk[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mavrik Bourque[/TD]

[TD]
1​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD]
1​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Remi Poirier[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2021 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
164​
[/TD]

[TD]
24​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
188​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Albert Sjoberg[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Artem Grushnikov[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ayrton Martino[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Conner Roulette[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Francesco Arcuri[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jack Bar[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jacob Holmes[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Justin Ertel[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Logan Stankoven[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]
24​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
24​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Wyatt Johnston[/TD]

[TD]
164​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD]
164​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2022 Entry[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Christian Kyrou[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gavin White[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]George Fegaras[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lian Bichsel[/TD]
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Matthew Seminoff[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Maxim Mayorov[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2023 Entry[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Angus MacDonell[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aram Minnetian[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Arno Tiefensee[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brad Gardiner[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sebastian Bradshaw[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tristan Bertucci[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2024 Entry[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Emil Hemming[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Niilopekka Muhonen[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]William Samuelsson[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Grand Total[/TD]

[TD]
1456​
[/TD]

[TD]
708​
[/TD]

[TD]
8​
[/TD]

[TD]
41​
[/TD]

[TD]
126​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]
2342​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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This is kind of surprising, I thought Dallas was much better in later rounds than this.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Leafs have better drafting after the 2nd round in this time frame.

Happy with the fact it looks like Leach can find talent in the last 1st/2nd though, that is where the Leafs will likely be picking for a while.

Edit: Just looked... Engvall alone has more GP than all Dallas picks combined outside of the first two rounds since 2014.

That's pretty terrible.
 
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notbias said:
This is kind of surprising, I thought Dallas was much better in later rounds than this.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Leafs have better drafting after the 2nd round in this time frame.

Happy with the fact it looks like Leach can find talent in the last 1st/2nd though, that is where the Leafs will likely be picking for a while.

Edit: Just looked... Engvall alone has more GP than all Dallas picks combined outside of the first two rounds since 2014.

That's pretty terrible.
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I did this one a couple week ago:

Sum of Games PlayedColumn Labels
Row Labels
1​
2​
3​
4​
5​
6​
7​
Grand Total
2014 Entry
603​
12​
0​
184​
0​
318​
1117​
Dakota Joshua
184​
184​
J.J. Piccinich
0​
0​
Nolan Vesey
0​
0​
Pierre Engvall
318​
318​
Rinat Valiev
12​
12​
William Nylander
603​
603​
2015 Entry
576​
329​
0​
0​
45​
0​
0​
950​
Andrew Nielsen
0​
0​
Dmytro Timashov
45​
45​
Jeremy Bracco
0​
0​
Jesper Lindgren
0​
0​
Martins Dzierkals
0​
0​
Mitch Marner
576​
576​
Nikita Korostelev
0​
0​
Stephen Desrocher
0​
0​
Travis Dermott
329​
329​
2016 Entry
562​
237​
36​
46​
0​
0​
0​
881​
Adam Brooks
43​
43​
Auston Matthews
562​
562​
Carl Grundstrom
236​
236​
Egor Korshkov
1​
1​
J.D. Greenway
0​
0​
Jack Walker
0​
0​
Joseph Woll
36​
36​
Keaton Middleton
3​
3​
Nicolas Mattinen
0​
0​
Nikolai Chebykin
0​
0​
Vladimir Bobylev
0​
0​
2017 Entry
196​
0​
0​
0​
0​
0​
196​
Eemeli Rasanen
0​
0​
Fedor Gordeev
0​
0​
Ian Scott
0​
0​
Ryan McGregor
0​
0​
Ryan O'Connell
0​
0​
Timothy Liljegren
196​
196​
Vladislav Kara
0​
0​
2018 Entry
227​
212​
1​
6​
2​
91​
0​
539​
Filip Kral
2​
2​
Mac Hollowell
6​
6​
Pontus Holmberg
91​
91​
Rasmus Sandin
227​
227​
Riley Stotts
0​
0​
Sean Durzi
212​
212​
Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
1​
1​
Semyon Kizimov
0​
0​
Zachary Bouthillier
0​
0​
2019 Entry
87​
0​
11​
0​
0​
98​
Kalle Loponen
0​
0​
Michael Koster
0​
0​
Mikhail Abramov
0​
0​
Mikko Kokkonen
0​
0​
Nicholas Robertson
87​
87​
Nick Abruzzese
11​
11​
2020 Entry
0​
0​
0​
0​
0​
0​
0​
0​
Artur Akhtyamov
0​
0​
Axel Rindell
0​
0​
Dmitry Ovchinnikov
0​
0​
Joe Miller
0​
0​
John Fusco
0​
0​
Rodion Amirov
0​
0​
Roni Hirvonen
0​
0​
Ryan Tverberg
0​
0​
Topi Niemela
0​
0​
Veeti Miettinen
0​
0​
William Villeneuve
0​
0​
Wyatt Schingoethe
0​
0​
2021 Entry
83​
0​
0​
83​
Matthew Knies
83​
83​
Ty Voit
0​
0​
Vyacheslav Peksa
0​
0​
2022 Entry
4​
0​
0​
0​
0​
4​
Brandon Lisowsky
0​
0​
Dennis Hildeby
0​
0​
Fraser Minten
4​
4​
Nick Moldenhauer
0​
0​
Nikita Grebenkin
0​
0​
2023 Entry
0​
0​
0​
0​
Easton Cowan
0​
0​
Hudson Malinoski
0​
0​
Noah Chadwick
0​
0​
Grand Total
2164​
952​
49​
63​
231​
91​
318​
3868​
 
ULF_55 said:
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[TR]
[TD]Games Played[/TD]
[TD]Round[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Draft and Player[/TD]

[TD]
1​
[/TD]

[TD]
2​
[/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]
4​
[/TD]

[TD]
5​
[/TD]

[TD]
6​
[/TD]

[TD]
7​
[/TD]

[TD]Grand Total[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2014 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
87​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
87​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aaron Haydon[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alex Peters[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brent Moran[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brett Pollock[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]John Nyberg[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Julius Honka[/TD]

[TD]
87​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
87​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Michael Prapavessis[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Miro Karjalainen[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2015 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
298​
[/TD]

[TD]
392​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
690​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chris Martenet[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Denis Gurianov[/TD]

[TD]
298​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
298​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Joseph Cecconi[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Markus Ruusu[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Roope Hintz[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]
392​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
392​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2016 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
18​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
8​
[/TD]

[TD]
41​
[/TD]

[TD]
36​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
103​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Colton Point[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fredrik Karlstrom[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
8​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
8​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jakob Stenqvist[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nicholas Caamano[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
36​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
36​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rhett Gardner[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
41​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
41​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Riley Tufte[/TD]

[TD]
18​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
18​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2017 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
618​
[/TD]

[TD]
292​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
83​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]
996​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brett Davis[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dylan Ferguson[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jacob Peterson[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
83​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
83​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jake Oettinger[/TD]

[TD]
193​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
193​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jason Robertson[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]
292​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
292​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Liam Hawel[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Miro Heiskanen[/TD]

[TD]
425​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
425​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2018 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
151​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
7​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
158​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Adam Mascherin[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Albin Eriksson[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Curtis Douglas[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dawson Barteaux[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jermaine Loewen[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Oskar Back[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Riley Damiani[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
7​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
7​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ty Dellandrea[/TD]

[TD]
151​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
151​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2019 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
119​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
119​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ben Brinkman[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nicholas Porco[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Samuel Sjolund[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Thomas Harley[/TD]

[TD]
119​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
119​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
1​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
1​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Antonio Stranges[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Daniel Ljungman[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Evgeniy Oksentyuk[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mavrik Bourque[/TD]

[TD]
1​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
1​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Remi Poirier[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2021 Entry[/TD]

[TD]
164​
[/TD]

[TD]
24​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
188​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Albert Sjoberg[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Artem Grushnikov[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ayrton Martino[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Conner Roulette[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Francesco Arcuri[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jack Bar[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jacob Holmes[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Justin Ertel[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Logan Stankoven[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]
24​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
24​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Wyatt Johnston[/TD]

[TD]
164​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
164​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2022 Entry[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Christian Kyrou[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gavin White[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]George Fegaras[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lian Bichsel[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Matthew Seminoff[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Maxim Mayorov[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2023 Entry[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Angus MacDonell[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Aram Minnetian[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Arno Tiefensee[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brad Gardiner[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sebastian Bradshaw[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tristan Bertucci[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]2024 Entry[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[TR]
[TD]Emil Hemming[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[TR]
[TD]Niilopekka Muhonen[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]William Samuelsson[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

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[TD]Grand Total[/TD]

[TD]
1456​
[/TD]

[TD]
708​
[/TD]

[TD]
8​
[/TD]

[TD]
41​
[/TD]

[TD]
126​
[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]
3​
[/TD]

[TD]
2342​
[/TD]
[/TR]
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Same time frame for the Leafs

1st round: 2164
2nd round: 952
3rd round: 49
4th round: 63
5th round: 231
6th round: 91
7th round: 318

Total: 3868

Leafs have had a lot of high picks and games played are not the best metric to decide how well a team has done with drafting, I just was curious so I wanted to see how the Leafs compared.

Edit: You posted at the exact same time I did with a more in-depth chart for the Leafs.

Appreciate the analysis and you mapping this out, it is very interesting to see, thanks.
 
cyris said:
Dubas acquired the pick that turned into Cowan and then didn’t trade it before the deadline.
The scouting staff he built then picked Cowan, Tre wasn’t even allowed to be involved with the pick.

There is no reason to think Cowan wouldn’t have been drafted by us if he had stayed. Dubas failed here in many different ways, you don’t need to make up more to put him down. He screwed up enough without it.
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TREE was 100% involved with the Cowan pick.
He wasn't physically allowed to sit at the table until the Calgary pick was made.

But there is no way he didn't rubber stamp the Cowan pick.
 
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The Iceman said:
TREE was 100% involved with the Cowan pick.
He wasn't physically allowed to sit at the table until the Calgary pick was made.

But there is no way he didn't rubber stamp the Cowan pick.
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Unless I am misremembering, he seemed clueless about the pick after it was made.

Trying to find the video of him discussing it, but I remember it being super vague and him seeming unsure of every answer.

Him trusting the scouts is good enough for me, I hope you have trust in the people you employ.
 
Mess said:
Finally our Fortune 500 company has decided to deploy a REAL GM and REAL Coach and now REAL Director of Amateur Scouting.

The days of dumpster diving for MLSE management is no longer contained to the Soo Greyhounds and junior incompetence, without experience and even worse without success.

Mark Leach's resume reads like Hall of Fame worthy career with decades upon decades of success at his job that lead to NHL success through the players he provided.

This is becoming an exciting time to be a Leafs fan, now we just need to get Mark some draft picks back so he can go to work after the scorched earth actions of past management.
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can you just please stop. like seriously stop. Like - it's okay if you don't like these people - but this is just so full of nonsense. you don't have to kick someone down just to praise someone. You didn't even need to go into all of that.


First of all I will note, that in your whole "we're dumpster diving" statement you didn't mention or indicate that we also had people from London. You know. Mark Hunter and how he was the one who completely rebuilt our drafting team. And you were fond of that. And when the whole Lamoriello thing happened - you wanted Hunter. So were we dumpster diving then? or is it different because you like London and Hunter?

Is Pittsburgh & New Jersey dumpster diving because they Hired Dubas and Keefe. Are you also ignoring the fact that Keefe actually developed a lot of the players on the team currently at the Marlies level?

you have to get the experience somewhere. I will always maintain it was not wrong of Shanahan to get the talent that he got (high end quality talent that other NHL teams wanted by the way) and incorporate into the organization. It wasn't wrong to also have that mentality. to train/develop quality higher ends, they get jobs in other organizations - and then we have a really great connection back to them. it's called a Network. Dubas's downfall wasn't because he didn't have enough experience - or he came from the Soo. it's because he thought was smarter than everyone else. That's not a "lack of experience" thing that's just HUMAN. NATURE thing. we've seen that play out countless times here especially, but around the league.

It's also extremely rude not to mention their names. No matter how much I don't like Burke. I don't pretend to be all smart and cute and mention him by anything else but his name. this isn't the first time that's been stated to you. but it really should be the last. it's not cute or coy when you trash someone without mentioning their name. it's childish and dumb.
 
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Daisy Jane said:
can you just please stop. like seriously stop. Like - it's okay if you don't like these people - but this is just so full of nonsense. you don't have to kick someone down just to praise someone. You didn't even need to go into all of that.


First of all I will note, that in your whole "we're dumpster diving" statement you didn't mention or indicate that we also had people from London. You know. Mark Hunter and how he was the one who completely rebuilt our drafting team. And you were fond of that. And when the whole Lamoriello thing happened - you wanted Hunter. So were we dumpster diving then? or is it different because you like London and Hunter?

Is Pittsburgh & New Jersey dumpster diving because they Hired Dubas and Keefe. Are you also ignoring the fact that Keefe actually developed a lot of the players on the team currently at the Marlies level?

you have to get the experience somewhere. I will always maintain it was not wrong of Shanahan to get the talent that he got (high end quality talent that other NHL teams wanted by the way) and incorporate into the organization. It wasn't wrong to also have that mentality. to train/develop quality higher ends, they get jobs in other organizations - and then we have a really great connection back to them. it's called a Network. Dubas's downfall wasn't because he didn't have enough experience - or he came from the Soo. it's because he thought was smarter than everyone else. That's not a "lack of experience" thing that's just HUMAN. NATURE thing. we've seen that play out countless times here especially, but around the league.

It's also extremely rude not to mention their names. No matter how much I don't like Burke. I don't pretend to be all smart and cute and mention him by anything else but his name. this isn't the first time that's been stated to you. but it really should be the last. it's not cute or coy when you trash someone without mentioning their name. it's childish and dumb.
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How's that view looking down from the cross?

Fans not fanning the way other fans think they should fan. Then judging other commenters for not meeting their arbitrary expectations of what a fan should be. Elitist nonsense at it's finest can even be found on a hockey forum.

Welcome to the internet.

Where people speak their minds. Surprisingly not everyone expresses themselves the same way you do. If you don't like it ignore it.

But let's not judge other fans for not fanning the way we think they should fan.

We're all fans here.
 
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The Iceman said:
TREE was 100% involved with the Cowan pick.
He wasn't physically allowed to sit at the table until the Calgary pick was made.

But there is no way he didn't rubber stamp the Cowan pick.
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Maybe that is why Calgary won't trade with Toronto, perhaps they are pissed that Tree stole a sleeper from them.

TMLBlueandWhite said:
How's that view looking down from the cross?

Fans not fanning the way other fans think they should fan. Then judging other commenters for not meeting their arbitrary expectations of what a fan should be. Elitist nonsense at it's finest can even be found on a hockey forum.

Welcome to the internet.

Where people speak their minds. Surprisingly not everyone expresses themselves the same way you do. If you don't like it ignore it.

But let's not judge other fans for not fanning the way we think they should fan.

We're all fans here.
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I fan with my pants off... it's fabulous....
 
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TMLBlueandWhite said:
How's that view looking down from the cross?

Fans not fanning the way other fans think they should fan. Then judging other commenters for not meeting their arbitrary expectations of what a fan should be. Elitist nonsense at it's finest can even be found on a hockey forum.

Welcome to the internet.

Where people speak their minds. Surprisingly not everyone expresses themselves the same way you do. If you don't like it ignore it.

But let's not judge other fans for not fanning the way we think they should fan.

We're all fans here.
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you know what. you are absolutely right. I'm not being sarcastic here either. I was sitting here trying to figure out a way to respond to your comment, but i kept focusing on the "if i don't like it, ignore it portion." and it's true. i don't like it. and i'll ignore it. enjoy discussing this Leach fellow everyone.
 
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Daisy Jane said:
you know what. you are absolutely right. I'm not being sarcastic here either. I was sitting here trying to figure out a way to respond to your comment, but i kept focusing on the "if i don't like it, ignore it portion." and it's true. i don't like it. and i'll ignore it. enjoy discussing this Leach fellow everyone.
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Going from Wes Clark to Mark Leach as Director of Amateur Scouting

Is the equivalent of going from a Ford Pinto

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To a lamborghini

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In terms of upgrading the management Director of Amateur scouting for Leafs Nation now.

That was the point I was trying to make. :wg:
 
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The Iceman said:
TREE was 100% involved with the Cowan pick.
He wasn't physically allowed to sit at the table until the Calgary pick was made.

But there is no way he didn't rubber stamp the Cowan pick.
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I'm not sure about that but we know for certain that weasel Kyle Dubas outright refused to draft any London Knights. That alone makes Treliving an improvement.
 
At a glance looks like a very strong hire. Dallas has an strong reputation for drafting well.

Interestingly the Stars have a strong analytics department. Which will make leech's transition to working with the Leafs guys a lot smoother. Seems like a good fit between older and newer approaches to decision making

Mess said:
Finally our Fortune 500 company has decided to deploy a REAL GM and REAL Coach and now REAL Director of Amateur Scouting.

The days of dumpster diving for MLSE management is no longer contained to the Soo Greyhounds and junior incompetence, without experience and even worse without success.

Mark Leach's resume reads like Hall of Fame worthy career with decades upon decades of success at his job that lead to NHL success through the players he provided.

This is becoming an exciting time to be a Leafs fan, now we just need to get Mark some draft picks back so he can go to work after the scorched earth actions of past management.
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When Burke was hired he was the most sought after executive in NHL hockey with a cup pedigree and an incredibly lengthy cv. We all know how well that turned out ;)
 
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Mess said:
Going from Wes Clark to Mark Leach as Director of Amateur Scouting

Is the equivalent of going from a Ford Pinto

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To a lamborghini

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In terms of upgrading the management Director of Amateur scouting for Leafs Nation now.

That was the point I was trying to make. :wg:
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You didn't make it because you used 0 facts like usual.
 
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Tie Domi Esquire said:
I'm not sure about that but we know for certain that weasel Kyle Dubas outright refused to draft any London Knights. That alone makes Treliving an improvement.
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Which Knights should he have drafted? And source?

He didn't draft anyone from Brampton or Ottawa or Guelph or Niagara...

Soo Greyhounds, Chicago Steel, Karpat, Jukurit Mikkeli, and Peterborough Petes all lead the way with two selections during his time...

Thinking he didn't have strong feelings about where he drafted players from.
 
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Menzinger said:
When Burke was hired he was the most sought after executive in NHL hockey with a cup pedigree and an incredibly lengthy cv. We all know how well that turned out ;)
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it turned out just as well as Dubas did , the funny thing is Burke had an even larger more rabid following and some of the long time posters were massive fans of both
 
notbias said:
Which Knights should he have drafted? And source?

He didn't draft anyone from Brampton or Ottawa or Guelph or Niagara...

Soo Greyhounds, Chicago Steel, Karpat, Jukurit Mikkeli, and Peterborough Petes all lead the way with two selections during his time...

Thinking he didn't have strong feelings about where he drafted players from.
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It's well known.

Hopefully one day the London Knights can surpass Brampton, Ottawa, Guelph, and Niagara. The Knights are clearly outclassed by Soo Greyhounds, Chicago Steel, Karpat, Jukurit Mikkeli, and Peterborough Petes.

Surely it's a coincidence that the weasel is eradicated and they finally pick one of Hunter's Knights. I will assume you lied about your information like the rest of your friends.
 
Tie Domi Esquire said:
It's well known.

Hopefully one day the London Knights can surpass Brampton, Ottawa, Guelph, and Niagara. The Knights are clearly outclassed by Soo Greyhounds, Chicago Steel, Karpat, Jukurit Mikkeli, and Peterborough Petes.

Surely it's a coincidence that the weasel is eradicated and they finally pick one of Hunter's Knights. I will assume you lied about your information like the rest of your friends.
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Source?

I don't know what the rest of your rambling is, but if it is well-known, can I get a source? I've never heard this happening and it's never brought up.

Also, what Knights did we miss out on? I am asking because I don't know which ones we passed over.
 
hotpaws said:
it turned out just as well as Dubas did , the funny thing is Burke had an even larger more rabid following and some of the long time posters were massive fans of both
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At some point you would think these folks would acknowledge reality, but then again how would they show everyone else how smart they are. They're like the hockey flat Earthers except less persuasive. "Well actually, reality is wrong! :badidea:"
 
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TMLeafer said:
I mean this would be true for literally anyone they could have possibly hired to run *amateur scouting*
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Correct, which is why it is pointless to offer an opinion on it. Whatever this guy does, it's unlikely to have much impact on the current generation of the Leafs.
 
hotpaws said:
it turned out just as well as Dubas did , the funny thing is Burke had an even larger more rabid following and some of the long time posters were massive fans of both
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Well i certainly think some people here are absolutely obsessed with Dubas ;)

But Burkes cup pedigree couldn't even build a team that could make the playoffs. Or was able to develop any prospects beyond the top 10 of the draft.
 
Menzinger said:
Well i certainly think some people here are absolutely obsessed with Dubas ;)

But Burkes cup pedigree couldn't even build a team that could make the playoffs. Or was able to develop any prospects beyond the top 10 of the draft.
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If Burke had inherited Matthews, Marner and Nylander all on ELCs plus Kadri and Rielly on great contract he would have done a lot more than Dubas did. Burke already went on record saying he wouldnt have kept both Nylander and Marner so that’s a great start.
 
TMLeafer said:
I mean this would be true for literally anyone they could have possibly hired to run *amateur scouting*
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Correct, which is why it's so bizarre to see fans cheer this as if they have any idea whether the guy is good at his job or not.
 
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