Confirmed with Link: Leafs have acquired Ryan O’Reilly, Noel Acciari & Josh Pillar in a three-team trade with STL and MIN

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In what world will we acquire either of these guys cheap?

In a world where Kane will only accept a trade to Toronto and Hawks honor his wishes. Some said a 2nd + Krall which seemed too good to be true but they might not be far off.

Korpisalo should be a 4th or a prospect but would be a luxury, not a necessity.
 
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i was one of Burke biggest critics , age had nothing do with my opinion of Leaf mgmt

nor did i say this was a bad trade , i simply said paying a 1st-2nd-3rd-4th isn't a drop in the bucket

i'm not even complaining , i just wondered wtf was the point in coming out and saying he wasn't going to trade for a 1st or Knies for a rental and then he turned around a few days later and traded a 1st

no idea why your getting so wound up by someone wondering what the point of his statement was
To be fair ROR is only a rental of he doesn't re-sign, so that judgment has to wait
 
I hope Keefe goes 3Cs deep tonight.

I liked the look of ROR as a 2C with JT on the wing, but I feel like they’ll be better served in the playoffs with 3 lines that can compete with any offensively and defensively.
I hope so too. I don't mind them running the lines like they did against the Habs but I think 3 lines deep makes up dangerous.
That said, in a serious against Boston, if we need that line to stop the Bergeron line? I love the options we now have
 
Is ROR the best all round impact player since Sundin? They’ve never had a chance to win since the 90s and now they do.
 
To be fair ROR is only a rebuttal of he doesn't re-sign, so that judgment has to wait
fair enough but then there really isn't any player that can be considered a rental since they all can be re-signed

and it was Dubas who said he didn't want to trade a 1st or knies for someone without term which made me wonder why he even bothered to say that when he could have just said nothing
 
I hope so too. I don't mind them running the lines like they did against the Habs but I think 3 lines deep makes up dangerous.
That said, in a serious against Boston, if we need that line to stop the Bergeron line? I love the options we now have

I think the goal would be to somehow match Matthews - Nylander against the Coyle line

ROR Vs Bergeron
JT Vs Krejci
Matthews Vs Coyle
 
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fair enough but then there really isn't any player that can be considered a rental since they all can be re-signed

and it was Dubas who said he didn't want to trade a 1st or knies for someone without term which made me wonder why he even bothered to say that when he could have just said nothing
Perhaps he was not showing his cards or Armstrong would not budge if a 1st was not part of the deal?? Either way the only way this deal is bad is if they fail in the playoffs and they can't resign ROR.
 
fair enough but then there really isn't any player that can be considered a rental since they all can be re-signed

and it was Dubas who said he didn't want to trade a 1st or knies for someone without term which made me wonder why he even bothered to say that when he could have just said nothing
Agreed on the term rental. I would add that a player that has a known preference to play elsewhere or bias again playing here would be a known rental, whereas a player like ROR who would like to play here falls into a wait and see category.

As for Dubas comment, we all do things we don't want to do especially if we think the pros outrigh the cons and perhaps he has a good feeling they can re-sign ROR?
 
Perhaps he was not showing his cards or Armstrong would not budge if a 1st was not part of the deal?? Either way the only way this deal is bad is if they fail in the playoffs and they can't resign ROR.
yup this deal will be viewed on how they do in the playoffs
 
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I think the goal would be to somehow match Matthews - Nylander against the Coyle line

ROR Vs Bergeron
JT Vs Krejci
Matthews Vs Coyle
Agreed! Getting Matthews out of a matchup with either of those two would be magic.
I like that line up at home where we can dictate that. On the road I would settle for neutralizing the Bergeron line and going into a trench war with them
 
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In a world where Kane will only accept a trade to Toronto and Hawks honor his wishes. Some said a 2nd + Krall which seemed too good to be true but they might not be far off.

Korpisalo should be a 4th or a prospect but would be a luxury, not a necessity.
We would need to send salary the other way too. I can't imagine Chicago letting Kane go for that little. ROR wanted to be here. Leafs still had to pay fair value.
 
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Agreed! Getting Matthews out of a matchup with either of those two would be magic.
I like that line up at home where we can dictate that. On the road I would settle for neutralizing the Bergeron line and going into a trench war with them
I thought Keefe didn’t worry about matchup’s?
 
Agreed on the term rental. I would add that a player that has a known preference to play elsewhere or bias again playing here would be a known rental, whereas a player like ROR who would like to play here falls into a wait and see category.

As for Dubas comment, we all do things we don't want to do especially if we think the pros outrigh the cons and perhaps he has a good feeling they can re-sign ROR?
i'm sure he'd sign but can we afford his cap hit , anyway we'll worry about that after the season
 
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I thought Keefe didn’t worry about matchup’s?
Well I don't think he manages them well but now he has more options and I would hope he's learned and grown as a coach, but that's just my hopes and prayers, time will tell

i'm sure he'd sign but can we afford his cap hit , anyway we'll worry about that after the season
32 and definitely not going to improve so I would think his cap hit should be reasonable, I wish for Giordano reasonable, but I doubt that
 
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fair enough but then there really isn't any player that can be considered a rental since they all can be re-signed

and it was Dubas who said he didn't want to trade a 1st or knies for someone without term which made me wonder why he even bothered to say that when he could have just said nothing

He did it so the Dubas haters have something to complain about since he got two players that they would normally be super excited for.
 
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Simple smart hockey that lead to two goals. You can see hes a winner when you watch him play same as Tavares. Hope it rubs off on marner and this is the year the soft pond hockey playoff style he hides behind xGF is dead for good and we start winning.

Oh and Acciari is one best bottom 6 in league. Dubas finally making big boy moves. He owes us at least two cups by now so it's about time.
 
Because there seemed to be some interest earlier in Dubas statements:

"In terms of assets you have to trade, you have a first-round pick and a prospect like Matthew Knies. Is there anything that is off the table or untouchable given the team’s situation?

Dubas:
The answer I might give to that question might sound a little deceptive. With every single trade discussion that we have, we are at the point with the franchise where you don’t want to necessarily say no to anything right off of the hop.

Having said that, there are some players and some draft capital that we have that are extremely valuable and would be hard for us to move on from — not just the one player you mentioned, but the whole group of prospects and younger players off of our roster.

In regards to rentals, I can’t see that happening. With regards to other options, I don’t think you say no off the hop to anything, but those are very important pieces to us now and in the future."



This sounds pretty cut and dry but, looking at all other recent deadline deals involving first-rounders, I'm not sure people realize just how good a deal this is for the Leafs.

First off, ROR has been one of the unluckiest players in the league this season (the graph has been posted a few times in here) while playing on a poor team. The illusion of him having such a poor year (OMG +/-!) combined with his foot injury really drove down the price on him and his desire to come to the Leafs only helped more....and that foot injury (thought to be from a blocked shot) is not a trend for a guy who has proved to be very durable the last half decade. He could still get hurt in some way of course and the mouth breathers will no doubt try to spin it but it has nothing to do with not doing homework here. Guy is a stud.

ROR (75% retained) and Acciari (50% retained) + C prospect for 1+2+3+4 round picks + AHL vet and B prospect.

To get a legit top 6 center, a playoff warrior who lifted the Conn Smyth not long ago and was PPG last playoffs, an elite faceoff guy (went 12 for 14 last night) and who has finished top 5 in Selke votes the last 4 years at 75% retained in the aftermath of the Covid cap PLUS a tough as hell to play against bottom 6 center who is top 10 in hits in the NHL while not giving up any position players or good prospects is incredible.

Somehow the Leafs still have the ability to make some moves too. Some guys here are expendable after this and there are certainly creative ways to still add.

Dubas has always struck me as a fairly conservative GM who values long term success but you dont turn down a deal like this. It's what first rounders are made to flip for. Not the Manthas, Folignos, Chiarots, Savards etc. of the world.


I wonder what other teams are going to do now too. The East just keeps getting stronger and stronger. You cant say the Leafs arnt giving it their best shot. In the end, the most important moves might have been made before the season started taking on Samsonov/Murray instead of Campbell/Mrazek.

This team is certainly better than last years heading into the playoffs though...but so are practically everyone else and big moves are still to be made...outside of Tampa. I mean, I can't see Tampa standing pat despite their lack of assets but can only pull off minor moves IMO. They have no picks and one of the worst prospects pools in the league.
 
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Is ROR the best all round impact player since Sundin? They’ve never had a chance to win since the 90s and now they do.
No he is not. I like ROR but let's not get carried away

Matthews still the best all around player in this team despite having an off year

You mean they haven't had a chance to win since 2003? Not the 90s

And yes they did. They have been in the playoffs with strong teams for 6 years now
 
No he is not. I like ROR but let's not get carried away

Matthews still the best all around player in this team despite having an off year

You mean they haven't had a chance to win since 2003? Not the 90s

And yes they did. They have been in the playoffs with strong teams for 6 years now


Matthews with the apple last night on a freakishly strong play here. He's been really good back from injury.

I'm not sure how people can forget hes been banged up this season and literally won the Hart + Lindsey last year (and second the year before).
 
With this move I honestly think leafs are set with their forwards, they just gotta add a solid D man and then this group has to figure out how to get it done!
 
If the rumors are true that Konecny is available... check in on that, and depending on the price, pull the trigger.

He fits with a 21 man roster and Kerfoot going back.

I really want them to get someone who can play with O'Reilly on the third line and who has the offensive ability to make that line dangerous.
 
This trade changes nothing, because Leafs are a badly managed team.
You can't win with this level of management. Too many mistakes:
- In the beginning Dubas was preaching waterbug style. Bring in undervalued skilled players and the cup is inevitable. Ok. Kadri and Hyman (=all Leaf grit) gone without any result. And now he understood the importance of grit, bringing in gritty players to plug the gap.
Kadri was a character guy plus could score as good as Tavares and was much better defensively. The money coud have been used to add a scoring winger or a dman.
- Dubas can't get good players outside of first round of draft. This impotency costs us draftpicks we use to trade for mercenaries. The circle is complete. No chance to build a deep team without good drafting.
- Building D around Rielly is ridiculous. He can't defend, he can't shoot = useless on first pair and pp. How in hell he got 7.5M contract? He can skate and pick points until playoff time. Useless after that because teams play tighter game in the playoffs. No space for him to float.
No chance to win with such poor asset management and drafting.
 

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