Goalfield13
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Proposal: Leafs - Habs (Chiarot, Allen)
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Didn't Ritchie just pass through waivers unclaimed? Why would anyone give the Habs a mid-round pick for him?
This is basically Chiarot for a late first (his probable TDL value), and two seconds (at least one a late 2nd) for Allen. Not a bad value, but Allen may be worth a little more if the two were dealt separately.
This is basically Chiarot for a late first (his probable TDL value), and two seconds (at least one a late 2nd) for Allen. Not a bad value, but Allen may be worth a little more if the two were dealt separately.
Michael HOMERUNing
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It’s not a bad trade if you think Chiarot is worth a 1st round pick, which seems to be the rumour. But IMO he’s overrated as hell, so I wouldn’t make this deal
Empoleon8771
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Spending those kind of assets for a solid defenseman and a lateral move in net seems like an incredibly bad decision for the Leafs to make.
Yeah, Mrazek hasn't had a good year this year, but they'd be insane to flip him this quickly. He has played in 3 games for the Leafs.
Yeah, Mrazek hasn't had a good year this year, but they'd be insane to flip him this quickly. He has played in 3 games for the Leafs.
Grand Admiral Thrawn
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I disagree, it's worth considering. We get a decent back up goalie at a lower price and it addresses our hole in the top 4. Ritchie is a dump, we have to pay to get rid of him. Campbell is a pending UFA, everyone knows this. We have to make room to re-sign him. I would definitely explore this idea. We are giving up a lot of assets, it would make it much more difficult to address the hole at LW. But it solves two problems for us. Money to re-sign Soup and 2nd pairing D-man.
I just remember how big of a pain Chiarot was to play against. Extremely physical, especially in front of the net. He cross checks like crazy, but provides size/grit/physicality on D. We'd be a much better and more physical team with him. I'd feel comfortable rolling any D pairing out if we landed him.
It's not so much about his performance, it's more about freeing up money to re-sign Campbell. The proposed offer would relieve us of 3M in cap space to re-sign him and help us compete this year.
Goalfield13
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hard pass from Habs POV.
return isn't nearly enough to justify helping out the Laffs with the kind of pieces that could help them finally get out of the first round (thus making the 1st even later).
Chia can get more than a late 1st elsewhere, and 2x2nd for Allen @ 50% isn't enough to justify taking on waiver-fodder Ritchie.
let the Laffs pay a bigger premium elsewhere
return isn't nearly enough to justify helping out the Laffs with the kind of pieces that could help them finally get out of the first round (thus making the 1st even later).
Chia can get more than a late 1st elsewhere, and 2x2nd for Allen @ 50% isn't enough to justify taking on waiver-fodder Ritchie.
let the Laffs pay a bigger premium elsewhere
malcb33
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The Leafs are likely to play Florida, Tampa, or Boston in the first round, and for that reason, I would take this deal from a Montreal perspective. Which other potential playoff team (who needs Chiarot's services) will have a tougher path to get out of the first round?
Goalfield13
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The leafs' chances in round 1 was a major part of this trade, but I didn't want this topic to turn into a troll-fest.
malcb33
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Fair, and I'm not trying to either, just trying to point out they have a difficult path (not that it's impossible to make it past any of those teams)
Kudo Shinichi
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No interest in getting back Mrazek.
He only played 15 nhl games the last 2 seasons, and he's still signed for 2 more years at 3.8 M.
He only played 15 nhl games the last 2 seasons, and he's still signed for 2 more years at 3.8 M.
Iam OK with the D upgrade. Allen isn't the answer. Its simply a too complicated deal for what it is. The leafs can easily upgrade their D with a more simple approach. It's an easy NO from dubas but a reaprroach as well. They would take the D for a pick, walk away and everyone is happy
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Without commenting on the rest of the trade, my guess is that the idea is that next season a team may be interested in picking up a big body for the playoffs without having to worry about the extra year of term.
Suntouchable13
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No, man. I’ll be pissed if we spend a 1st again on some non-difference maker. Foligno last year, Chiarot possibly this year. Yikes. These guys are not the difference between a 1st round exit or win.
I'm pretty sure your GM is going to go after a rental again this year. What happened if the Leafs lose again in the first round? Chiarot would help you againts team like Tampa, Boston, Florida. I don't really see the need for Allen. Not a bad deal for both sides.
Who else can we realistically target for the top 4 D though ? There's not too many guys available this year and I really don't wanna roll into the playoffs with Holl as our #4D. Foligno sucked...injuries and even when he played he was pretty average. I'm hoping Anaheim slips a little and goes into sell mode, I realllllly want Manson but if they stay in a playoff spot I can't see them selling. If there are better options for the top 4, I'm all for exploring them but I just don't see any.
Suntouchable13
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I am just saying our GM shouldn’t be spending 1st round picks on 2nd pairing D-men when he his 2 big stars have no killer instinct. Chiarot won’t help the Leafs win a round. Maybe it makes sense for some other team to give up a 1st for him, I am saying I don’t think it makes sense for the Leafs.
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I wouldn't give up a 2nd in this trade let alone two, AND a 1st? Lmao
Suntouchable13
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I m not comfortable giving up anything of value when our 2 big stars don’t have any killer instinct. Whatever, it’s Dubas job on the line not mine.
BobClarkesfrontteeth
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Leafs have no reason to deal for Allen. They are riding Campbell to and in the playoffs. They have 3 goalies in the system now they can dress for in season back to back games. Chairot makes sense for the leafs but not at that price in picks. As for having to pay to get rid of either Mrazek or Ritchie people need to see what the buyouts would be for each. The Leafs either deal them for assets or they buy them out.
