Confirmed with Link: Leafs go 4-4-1 in expansion, Dermott, Kerfoot, McCann, exposed

[Mitch nylander]

This doesn't make sense to me.

Oh well.

Seattle can only choose 1.

This is how I see it.

If we wouldn't have made the trade, a 7th and Hallander for Mccann. Who would you rather them take?

Option 1
a 7th + Filip Hallander

Option 2
Alex Kerfoot

Option 3
Travis Dermott

To me I would much rather lose option 1. Hallander was surpassed by other prospects on our depth chart, and a 2023 7th has little value.

Kerfoot, was our 2nd/3rd best post-season forward, one of our best penalty killers, plays both wing and center. Losing him could create a gaping hole at 3c, and speaking to Pens fans, Mccann is better at the wing than at center. So we would have to find a replacement.

Dermott, a good young bottom pair dman, who may be able to finally make the jump to the next level.

That is essentially what would happen if Mccann was claimed. That is why I would like them to claim Mccann.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Dubas must have a strong inclination that Kerfoot will be taken

 

[gamer1035]

That's it have your little temper tantrum. Get it all out.

Appreciate your critical thinking skills. Glad you and our management team are so intelligent. Explains the exact situation of our organization.

 

[hockeynorth]

This is how I see it.

If we wouldn't have made the trade, a 7th and Hallander for Mccann. Who would you rather them take?

Option 1
a 7th + Filip Hallander

Option 2
Alex Kerfoot

Option 3
Travis Dermott

To me I would much rather lose option 1. That is essentially what would happen if Mccann was claimed.

I mean I'd take McCann over Kerfoot but yes

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Appreciate your critical thinking skills. Glad you and our management team are so intelligent. Explains the exact situation of our organization.

There ya go little fella.

 

[Walshy7]

Holl (29) is a journey man Dman, he just looks semi reliable in Toronto because of a comparison to current roster construction. But Dermott is 5 years (24) younger and cheaper and perfect fit for a start up franchise building from the ground up.

Dermott has the higher upside and ceiling and brighter future, but remember Dubas in must win NOW mode or his own longevity will be questioned so its more GM job preservation in the present that would result in Leafs protecting Holl, because at present he can contribute more to next season. and that is more important to what happens in the future as far as the 2 players go when you prioritize things that way.

To me the Leafs protecting Holl, speaks more to how weak the Leafs are upfront because even after adding McCann they still don't even have 7 forwards worth protecting and using the 7-3-1 option, whereas McCann was Pens 8th or 9th best forward and wasn't going to be protected anyways.

dermott is not a smart player, can he pitch in on a top 4? Maybe. he just isn’t smart enough to be a consistent top 4 dman. We have 2 better LHD right now. So many brain dead plays, like his patented spin o Rama that always leads to nothing.

dermott gets pretty overrated on here

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

Its actually crazy that people cant figure it out.

Either McCann being exposed was plan A or they are confident he wont be selected (maybe a handshake agreement for Hakstol)

If Dubas was worried about McCann and the ED he would have just acquired him a week later.

McCann wouldn't have been available a week later, at that price. It was a collective effort by Pittsburgh and Toronto to minimize their losses in the expansion draft. Whether the Leafs make an agreement with Seattle now that they have acquired McCann remains to be seen (I personally doubt it) but there most certainly was not one in place when the trade happened.

 

[LeafParade]

This is how I see it.

If we wouldn't have made the trade, a 7th and Hallander for Mccann. Who would you rather them take?

Option 1
a 7th + Filip Hallander

Option 2
Alex Kerfoot

Option 3
Travis Dermott

To me I would much rather lose option 1. That is essentially what would happen if Mccann was claimed.

Kerfoot is worth more than a 7th + Hallander so I also would prefer option 1.

I am waiting to see all the protected lists because Kerfoot may still be the best C available and in that case Seattle may not care about his cap hit as much.

 

[Leafsfan74]

It would suck to lose McCann.

If they're doing this to protect Holl I don't get it, I think Seattle might value Kerfoot and Dermott above him anyways.

McCann >> Holl as long term assets imo

I think Holl is underappreciated by the fan base here. I saw a player who took big strides, especially on the physical end and he's got an air of determination in his game that says to me he cares about winning. He was one of the most improved players this past season. Dermott improved too, but he's the more expendable of the two.

There's never a happy expansion scenario. I have to believe that the Leafs management, like all teams, isn't going into this blind. They've had conversations with Seattle.

If they don't know exactly what is going to happen or have an agreement in principle in place already, they have a strong enough estimation that it's at worst 50/50, probably more like 70/30, so they can hedge their decision accordingly.

I like that they have protected their 4 D. I do think Reilly, for all his leadership qualities and cerebral approach to the game is going to be traded. There are some studs available in the UFA on the backend, I would advise the Leafs to not shy away from them.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

let me get this straight....

so people are defending dubas because:

1 asset out due to expansion draft anyway + 1 asset (hallander) + 7th rounder out is OK

scenarios were:

• seattle picks one of kerfoot/dermott (cap space and then re-evaluate)
• leafs trade 2nd (hallander) + 7th for McCaan; seattle goes with above or McCann so our asset poor (no prospects/picks in the system) is gone and people are defending this?

wow just wow

It is confusing because your math is off.

We are not losing McCann and Kerfoot/Dermott. We are losing one of them. Regardless of what happens, the trade is strong asset management because we either lose Hallander + 7th, which is less valuable than Kerfoot/Dermott, or we acquired McCann for less than he was worth.

 

[Community]

I would have preferred the 7-3-1 keep the extra forward depth.

I understand that position, but the Leafs clearly value Holl over Dermott so they wanted to protect him... I'm not a fan of Holl, but he is a cheap RHD option for our #4 and we really need players that outperform their contracts.

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[ottomaddox]

This is how I see it.

If we wouldn't have made the trade, a 7th and Hallander for Mccann. Who would you rather them take?

Option 1
a 7th + Filip Hallander

Option 2
Alex Kerfoot

Option 3
Travis Dermott

To me I would much rather lose option 1. That is essentially what would happen if Mccann was claimed.

No. SEATTLE cannot take option 1. It doesn't exist for them now, and it didn't before.

1 pick remember. Seattle doesn't get time machine picks.

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[Coachcorner]

Tarasenko no big name sire?

 

[The Podium]

No. SEATTLE cannot take option 1. It doesn't exist for them now, and it didn't before.

1 pick remember. Seattle doesn't get time machine picks.

Well, if they take McCann that was the cost to Toronto

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Seattle could have a good team but they might have to sit right at the cap almost immediately to do it. Teams left some big money players available.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

This is how I see it.

If we wouldn't have made the trade, a 7th and Hallander for Mccann. Who would you rather them take?

Option 1
a 7th + Filip Hallander

Option 2
Alex Kerfoot

Option 3
Travis Dermott

To me I would much rather lose option 1. Hallander was surpassed by other prospects on our depth chart, and a 2023 7th has little value.

Kerfoot, was our 2nd/3rd best post-season forward, one of our best penalty killers, plays both wing and center. Losing him could create a gaping hole at 3c, and speaking to Pens fans, Mccann is better at the wing than at center. So we would have to find a replacement.

Dermott, a good young bottom pair dman, who may be able to finally make the jump to the next level.

That is essentially what would happen if Mccann was claimed. That is why I would like them to claim Mccann.

I'm not sure why this is so hard for some posters to understand.

 

[Mitch nylander]

No. SEATTLE cannot take option 1. It doesn't exist for them now, and it didn't before.

1 pick remember. Seattle doesn't get time machine picks.

If they take Mccann, it's essentially like them taking option 1. We would have lost nothing, other than Hallander and a 7th.

 

[Gallagbi]

Kerfoot is worth more than a 7th + Hallander so I also would prefer option 1.

I am waiting to see all the protected lists because Kerfoot may still be the best C available and in that case Seattle may not care about his cap hit as much.

Ryan Johansen is the best C I've seen, but he makes a ton more too

 

[ottomaddox]

I understand that position, but the Leafs clearly value Holl over Dermott so they wanted to protect him... I'm not a fan of Holl, but he is a cheap RHD option for our #4 and we really need players that outperform their contracts.

We can't have another year of Muzzin going down and Holl being our number 3 guy.

 

[Menzinger]

let me get this straight....

so people are defending dubas because:

1 asset out due to expansion draft anyway + 1 asset (hallander) + 7th rounder out is OK

scenarios were:

• seattle picks one of kerfoot/dermott (cap space and then re-evaluate)
• leafs trade 2nd (hallander) + 7th for McCaan; seattle goes with above or McCann so our asset poor (no prospects/picks in the system) is gone and people are defending this?

wow just wow

I don't understand your complaint here. It's an expansion draft, the Leafs will be losing an asset of value regardless

 

[sxvnert]

Would be shocked if seattle chose Kerfoot or McCann over Dermott.

 

[ottomaddox]

If they take Mccann, it's essentially like them taking option 1. We would have lost nothing, other than Hallander and a 7th.

Hallander and a 7th is not nothing!

 

[Coachcorner]

I mean I'd take McCann over Kerfoot but yes

Mos def sire, like that rapper mos def sire. But mccann will kill for us better than kerfoot sesire. Mccann more of a killa than kerfoot is. Mccann stunted mr malkin last seseason also. He hits mo and checks mo, still scoring, WHAT!!!!!