Post-Game Talk: Leafs Eliminated.

[3blizzard4]

Maple leafs have signed Dubas and Keefe to 4 year extensions

Holy f*cking heart attack you just gave me.

 

[fahad203]

Holy f*cking heart attack you just gave me.

I'm preping you for the inevitable

 

[Trapper]

I'm preping you for the inevitable

You laugh but you know they are going to run it back again.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Tavares is an overpaid JVR.

JVR is not half the player. JT gave what he has, AM and MM gave little of themselves.

 

[Mess]

When was this picture taken relative to the whistle that ended play?

That picture was from when the play was long over and goalie Bob was standing up already, even though there wasn't an official whistle but certainly an implied one by that time. The Refs already ruled NO goal on the play certainly implying the play was dead and over.

The Ref was in perfect position behind the net and looking in to see if he saw any sign of a puck behind the goalie crossing the line.

If the play was still alive Bobrovsky continues to smother the puck under him obscuring any view a puck crossing the line.

The only time there was a chance of a goal was on the original Reilly play as he crossed in front of the net and if there was a view of it clearly in the net in front of goalie pad.

However if he pushed the goalie pad and the puck across the line it would have been ruled goalie interference anyways on a coaches challenge.

 

[Divine]

No idea what a defensemen is supposed to do here. If Gudas isn't holding the stuck, he doesn't get off the shot or has to at least go around him.

 

[socko]

They're really just plain stupid if they run this thing back again. This core ain't it. It will be more of the same. It's not like this was the 93 Leafs playoff team and they were really close to winning. They made it past round 1 because Vasy couldn't stop a beach ball and they got beaten up by Florida. I didn't watch the regular season this year but yeah I'll probably still watch the playoffs if they go that route but then again maybe not. I definitely preferred the Kessel teams. They also would have won a single playoff series had Reimer been able to stop a beach ball.

 

[PromisedLand]

Maple leafs have signed Dubas and Keefe to 4 year extensions

don't even joke like that man.

I am gonna be so pissed if that happens lol

 

[Nineteen67]

No idea what a defensemen is supposed to do here. If Gudas isn't holding the stuck, he doesn't get off the shot or has to at least go around him.

He probably poke checks the puck.

 

[stealth1]

Stop the insanity! lol

I mean, I know outcomes in nearly professional sports are, shall we say "not random", but I watch games for the talent of the players and the skill.

Toronto won game 5 by a score of 3-2 on the ice, but lost 3-2 in the boardrooms.

There is no guarantee that if the non goal counted that Nylander would still have scored.

Again that one goal is not the reason they lost the series. Matthews scoring 0 goals has more to do with it.

 

[PromisedLand]

I'm preping you for the inevitable

You laugh but you know they are going to run it back again.

 

[BallardEra]

Father left last night really upset and has been gone all night. We were worried but he just texted that's he's ok and is coming home soon

Did Father go on a bender? Any blow and hookers involved? Is he back home?

 

[seventieslord]

you're gonna have to pay to make that go away.. which it ain't cause he has a NTC

With it being only 2 years left, his real money owed nowhere near the cap hit, and his production and performance reasonably close to that number, I wouldn't say that's 100% certain. Even if it is, it's worth doing.

Whether we want to do it to make sure we can build a strong roster around the final seasons of Matthews and marner, or as a series of trades we use to retool, or as part of a full on rebuild, it's worth the cost. We need out from under it, and a dozen less tradeable contacts have been moved before.

Players don't stay where they're not wanted. Make him uncomfortable and he'll waive. Name one player that stayed out of spite with multiple seasons left on his deal when his team wanted him gone. I can't think of one.

 

[Divine]

There's literally a thread of people praying Dubas is their next GM

The GM's in this league suck, for those who want Dubas replaced - what are your suggestions?

 

[thewave]

There's literally a thread of people praying Dubas is their next GM

The GM's in this league suck, for those who want Dubas replaced - what are your suggestions?

The Aztecs prayed for gods to bless them as they sacrificed their children.

 

[seventieslord]

There's literally a thread of people praying Dubas is their next GM

The GM's in this league suck, for those who want Dubas replaced - what are your suggestions?

Dubas has the potential to make excellent moves as a GM. Most of the moves he's made has been good. But the biggest ones have been the worst, unfortunately. He makes so. many. good. little. moves. though.

The paradoxical thing about it is, right now I hate him for what he did to this team and want him gone along with everyone else associated with this stink show, but then I think about the moves that need to be made with the roster and I imagine Dubas making them, and it makes me feel very comfortable. I feel comfortable that Dubas could make the right moves for any or all of the core four, that he will find us the next Bunting or two in free agency, that he will keep drafting players in round 2 that prove to be as good as most 1st rounders, that he'll pick off the next undervalued UFA 1A defenseman who turns out to post the best defensive numbers in the league, etc.

But so much of what needs to happen next, is because the major moves he made were so shortsighted. Mainly, signing Tavares for so much AAV and term, and caving to Matthews and Marner, and giving Matthews the fast track to free agency, and honestly, I know we all love him at this moment, but the Rielly extension, too. He made a mess of the cap because he flew too close to the sun, too early, and someone's head has to roll, and it probably has to be his. At the same time, if he wasn't so goddamn stubborn and admitted (not necassarily publicly) that these were mistakes, and submitted a plan to go ahead and fix them, he could probably keep his job, and keep the leafs contending. But his biggest downfall above all else wasn't that he made these moves to begin with, but that he stuck by them all this time, thinking that the team could win the way he built it.

 

[Divine]

Dubas has the potential to make excellent moves as a GM. Most of the moves he's made has been good. But the biggest ones have been the worst, unfortunately. He makes so. many. good. little. moves. though.

The paradoxical thing about it is, right now I hate him for what he did to this team and want him gone along with everyone else associated with this stink show, but then I think about the moves that need to be made with the roster and I imagine Dubas making them, and it makes me feel very comfortable. I feel comfortable that Dubas could make the right moves for any or all of the core four, that he will find us the next Bunting or two in free agency, that he will keep drafting players in round 2 that prove to be as good as most 1st rounders, that he'll pick off the next undervalued UFA 1A defenseman who turns out to post the best defensive numbers in the league, etc.

But so much of what needs to happen next, is because the major moves he made were so shortsighted. Mainly, signing Tavares for so much AAV and term, and caving to Matthews and Marner, and giving Matthews the fast track to free agency, and honestly, I know we all love him at this moment, but the Rielly extension, too. He made a mess of the cap because he flew too close to the sun, too early, and someone's head has to roll, and it probably has to be his. At the same time, if he wasn't so goddamn stubborn and admitted (not necassarily publicly) that these were mistakes, and submitted a plan to go ahead and fix them, he could probably keep his job, and keep the leafs contending. But his biggest downfall above all else wasn't that he made these moves to begin with, but that he stuck by them all this time, thinking that the team could win the way he built it.

I disagree with your take.

The Tavares move is only shortsighted in hindsight. How many people were against it at the moment?

He took a team that was losing in the first round to contenders in 7 games and added John Tavares, a superstar centre in the prime of his career.

If the Leafs win a cup or more in that time frame, no one blames him for these 'shortsighted moves'. It's only shortsighted in that they didn't win. You got to blame the core more than Dubas for that.

Seriously, we had Matthews - Tavares - Kadri in their primes down the centre and were unable to win. If Kadri didn't keep getting himself suspended, maybe we do win and/or at least keep him for longer.

The Kadri trade was horrendous though, but at the time everyone was hollering for a defenceman.

While yes, he might have overpaid players it's also unfair to put it all on him. Almost every other superstar in this league was signed after 2 seasons, instead of waiting for them them to to finish the last year of their ELC. Unfortunately for Dubas, Lamoriello was the GM at the time and he was sitting on his ass letting our superstars put up PPG+ before signing them to their contracts.

If anything, I think Dubas is one the less stubborn GM's. He signed Nick Ritchie and traded him as soon as he didn't work. Petr Mrazek was horrible, and he got rid of him instantly, etc. I've seen time and time again GM's that refuse to admit a mistake and that stubbornness results in players staying on the team who continue to hurt the team. Dubas, when he identifies a move was a mistake, is willing to cut his losses and move forward.

 

[rumman]

When is MLSE going to name new president and GM so he can come in and get shit done before July 1st?

COME THE F ON

Time is of the essence here

Don’t hold your breathe, sadly……..

 

[justashadowof]

If anything, I think Dubas is one the less stubborn GM's. He signed Nick Ritchie and traded him as soon as he didn't work. Petr Mrazek was horrible, and he got rid of him instantly, etc. I've seen time and time again GM's that refuse to admit a mistake and that stubbornness results in players staying on the team who continue to hurt the team. Dubas, when he identifies a move was a mistake, is willing to cut his losses and move forward.

I guess Dubas still hasn't identified nearly 50% of cap for 4 forwards as a mistake because he sure never cut his losses on that one. Dubas never shed the increasingly overpaid Alex Kerfoot riding him all the way to free agency. Dubas never cut bait on Wayne Simmonds who was barely used yet took up a roster spot for long chunks of the season. It took a Sparks' freak out near the end of the 2018-19 season to move on from that disaster.

 

[Nineteen67]

Dubas has the potential to make excellent moves as a GM. Most of the moves he's made has been good. But the biggest ones have been the worst, unfortunately. He makes so. many. good. little. moves. though.

The paradoxical thing about it is, right now I hate him for what he did to this team and want him gone along with everyone else associated with this stink show, but then I think about the moves that need to be made with the roster and I imagine Dubas making them, and it makes me feel very comfortable. I feel comfortable that Dubas could make the right moves for any or all of the core four, that he will find us the next Bunting or two in free agency, that he will keep drafting players in round 2 that prove to be as good as most 1st rounders, that he'll pick off the next undervalued UFA 1A defenseman who turns out to post the best defensive numbers in the league, etc.

But so much of what needs to happen next, is because the major moves he made were so shortsighted. Mainly, signing Tavares for so much AAV and term, and caving to Matthews and Marner, and giving Matthews the fast track to free agency, and honestly, I know we all love him at this moment, but the Rielly extension, too. He made a mess of the cap because he flew too close to the sun, too early, and someone's head has to roll, and it probably has to be his. At the same time, if he wasn't so goddamn stubborn and admitted (not necassarily publicly) that these were mistakes, and submitted a plan to go ahead and fix them, he could probably keep his job, and keep the leafs contending. But his biggest downfall above all else wasn't that he made these moves to begin with, but that he stuck by them all this time, thinking that the team could win the way he built it.

The self-inflicted wounds are the hardest to overcome. With a clean sheet and some cap relief, I don’t think he does things the same way. I think he can build a competitive team that could consistently win 2 or 3 rounds.

Does he do it with Toronto or elsewhere?

 

[Trapper]

The self-inflicted wounds are the hardest to overcome. With a clean sheet and some cap relief, I don’t think he does things the same way. I think he can build a competitive team that could consistently win 2 or 3 rounds.

Does he do it with Toronto or elsewhere?

I don’t think he does it here until he is willing to change the DNA of the core.
They are all the same.

 

[Nineteen67]

I disagree with your take.

The Tavares move is only shortsighted in hindsight. How many people were against it at the moment?

He took a team that was losing in the first round to contenders in 7 games and added John Tavares, a superstar centre in the prime of his career.

If the Leafs win a cup or more in that time frame, no one blames him for these 'shortsighted moves'. It's only shortsighted in that they didn't win. You got to blame the core more than Dubas for that.

Seriously, we had Matthews - Tavares - Kadri in their primes down the centre and were unable to win. If Kadri didn't keep getting himself suspended, maybe we do win and/or at least keep him for longer.

The Kadri trade was horrendous though, but at the time everyone was hollering for a defenceman.

While yes, he might have overpaid players it's also unfair to put it all on him. Almost every other superstar in this league was signed after 2 seasons, instead of waiting for them them to to finish the last year of their ELC. Unfortunately for Dubas, Lamoriello was the GM at the time and he was sitting on his ass letting our superstars put up PPG+ before signing them to their contracts.

If anything, I think Dubas is one the less stubborn GM's. He signed Nick Ritchie and traded him as soon as he didn't work. Petr Mrazek was horrible, and he got rid of him instantly, etc. I've seen time and time again GM's that refuse to admit a mistake and that stubbornness results in players staying on the team who continue to hurt the team. Dubas, when he identifies a move was a mistake, is willing to cut his losses and move forward.

Lots of people were against the Tavares signing because they assumed one of the three kids would have to go. When Dubas announced the “we can and we will”, I knew the rebuild was botched. The right play was to sign the kids for 8 yrs and draft baby draft to build up resources that would help fill the holes.

 

[Alamo Leafer]

Father left last night really upset and has been gone all night. We were worried but he just texted that's he's ok and is coming home soon

If he found Dubas, I'll be his alibi

 

[Nineteen67]

I don’t think he does it here until he is willing to change the DNA of the core.
They are all the same.

Goes without saying.

 

[rumman]

If he found Dubas, I'll be his alibi

Ditto…….