Post-Game Talk: Leafs Eliminated.

[Jozay]

Reality is, you're not winning a championship with Matthews and Marner leading the charge. Their regular season results to playoff results are just not good enough. Clear as day to me the Leafs will have choose between one of them.

 

[mikeyz]

Guys, I know you're all upset but I don't think you trade either Matthews or Marner, or if you do you better get a King's ransom. Both are only 25 years old. Think about players who played a lot longer than that before winning. Not everyone can be a Kane or Crosby.

Yzerman didn't win until his 30s. Stamkos was 30. Ovechkin was in his 30s. I think those teams were glad they didn't overreact and move on from those players.

I think things will improve in 2 years after Tavares' contract is expired. But even him, just 13 days ago he was being celebrated for scoring a massive goal to end 19 years of frustration. It's good to keep perspective.

I think there are changes to be made. The coach needs to go. How do we know that a different coach couldn't get more out of this core? I think it's worth a try. There are also certain pieces that just have to go, like Holl and Kerfoot. Bring in Marlies like Steeves and Holmberg.

I get what you're saying, but, at least Yzerman, Ovechkin and Stamkos all went out on their shield in every single playoff round that they lost before they won their cups. Those guys never ever had a series where they didn't score a goal in their early twenties.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Here is the complete quote from current Toronto Maple Leafs head coach Sheldon Keefe:

 

[ITM]

Where's the Kyle Dubas fan club at now? What a shitty team he crafted

I'm not part of the fan club but I can see the good he's done along with acknowledging the mistakes and in part, the explanation behind them.

You know, one crow thread is as bad as another and really exemplifies the point I made in another post that there's a faction of fans whose approach undermines the culture of the club; Primes it for our opportunistic and insane media.

I don't know if the team is "shitty" so much as Dubas' myopia when it comes to his friend deploying the good assets into his baffling systems at nonsensical points in the game.

But lay off the fans...Good night: They just lost too you know.

 

[Leafs87]

I agree with him honestly

 

[34]

Keefe is delusional. They got f***ing smoked. They were not even in the Series.

 

[BertCorbeau]

What? I'm not blaming anything on Samsonov, he outperformed Vasilevskiy in the series. My point is the discrepancy between how he played and Bobrovsky played this series was enough to say that we infact were the better team in the Tampa series because our top guys heavily outscore theirs without having a crazy performance in net, unlike Florida against us who had their goalie steal a quick but close series for them.

Florida paid Bob $10-11 mill to be an elite goalie when it counts .. he did that in this series.

The Leafs pay 3 players $10-11 mill to be elite players when it counts .. and they did not.

That's the difference

Toronto had 3-4 golden OT chances but missed. This included Matthews down low, 1 on 1 against Bob. As time as proven though, Matty chokes and can't win it.

 

[The Best Leafs Everr]

It's bad to say that we have wasted Rielly's best years. He was an absolute beast throughout the playoffs. In captain Morgan we believe. f*** Tavares and his pajama shit out the window.

 

[mcleex]

They literally always find a way to make it hurt

 

[GoonieFace]

Is he headlining at Yuk Yuks?

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

Give me a break, we tried Babcock, didn't work. Now we tried Keefe, didn't work. It's the players now.

My opinion: Neither of those are good coaches. There is a reason why Babcock isn't coaching now. Keefe consistently makes mind-boggling decisions like playing Holl a lot.

 

[Gallagbi]

Give me a break, we tried Babcock, didn't work. Now we tried Keefe, didn't work. It's the players now. 0 f***ing intensity in most of these playoff games till they were down 0-3, even then it was lacking. Core doesn't have "it".

Keefe isnt the reason we lost, but theres also no reason to keep him

 

[Nineteen67]

Evander Kane and Corey Perry would have been great addition to this team.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

This team has mid 2000 sharks vibes. Just less good.

what a bum that guy is.
Carolina would have smoked this team and Oilers would probably embarrass us. I guess it is his roundabout way of blaming the players because on paper he is correct but obviously this is a mediocre team as constructed. Gimme a break Keefe.

 

[authentic]

Florida paid Bob $10-11 mill to be an elite goalie when it counts .. he did that in this series.

The Leafs pay 3 players $10-11 mill to be elite players when it counts .. and they did not.

That's the difference

I agree, I was just responding to someone who claimed Tampa was the better team. Outside of the 1st period they really weren't.

 

[ruaware41]

Funny how Marner and Matthews' spent so much time with Marleau and his family when they first broke into the league only to become playoff choke artists like him.

when I called Marleau a joke and soft everyone here told me he’s a great player and to basically only reserve such criticism for Nylander because he’s not a rugged Canadian boy. If we put the biases aside things aren’t always as they seem. Marleau was gutless and a terrible example. Happy to get bullied around by players half his size and just turn the other cheek. It’s pathetic. We should have never signed his ass. Tavares is just another exhibit of that. Nylander has more tenacity in his pinky than Marleau ever did.

 

[berklon]

Move the team to Hamilton. It'll give the team some balls.

 

[Gallagbi]

Can anyone give me a summary of the no goal call? Looked like a stop live, then the replays in the building looked in. There was no gesture or whistle from the ref, so a call on the ice ruling feels unlikely.

Adding that i dont think it meant an automatic victory, our play changes at 2-2 in the third for the worse and we clearly didnt win in OT

 

[ToneDog]

Give me a break, we tried Babcock, didn't work. Now we tried Keefe, didn't work. It's the players now. 0 f***ing intensity in most of these playoff games till they were down 0-3, even then it was lacking. Core doesn't have "it".

All that money and all the wasted assets for one lousy series gifted win. Heads need to roll.

 

[Trapper]

They shit the bed this year but they are built right.

I love how people say other teams aren’t the model when they lost in 7 games this year after going to the 3rd round last year.
If losing once in a 7 game series isn’t the model, why have we been sitting here for 7 years.

 

[wingman75]

Keefe is delusional. They got f***ing smoked. They were not even in the Series.

I don't think that is true. Yes it was 4-1.

Leafs outplayed them in games 1, 2 and 5. too many big mistakes in games 1 and 2. and in the end, the stars didn't get it done in game 5 (yet again).

That series was closer than 4-1... but the Leafs kinda gave it away early and could not recover.

 

[Smif]

I wouldn't call him trash but he's a green horn and still makes glaring AHL mistakes out there. It didn't burn the team in particular during this playoffs but those will eventually catch up with him.

So you're assuming he's going to suck?

 

[Suntouchable13]

Keefe isnt the reason we lost, but theres also no reason to keep him

Not saying we should keep him, i just don't think just a new coach will magically fix everything.

 

[stealth1]

Or, if it's anything like the las three times the Leafs have done this, 10-15 years.

Let's just keep running it back. One of these times these will show up and carry the team to the promised land.

If you're happy just making it to the dance every season, you do you.

 

[3blizzard4]

I see a lot of back patting. Typical for this team. Hand out the participation awards.