Proposal: Leafs - Ducks blockbuster
- Thread starter HockeyVirus
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The counter offers aren't serious. Just comparing what the original Leafs fan wants and wants to give up to what that would look like from an Anaheim perspective. Leaf fan wants 3 of the Ducks best players for next to nothing without offering Kerfoot to make it nothing, so I countered with the Ducks next to nothing players for the Leafs better players. Similar idea. Just basically showing how bad the initial offer was.
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Prob just best prospect from whatever team gives us... i wouldnt say there is a preference
GIN ANTONIC
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This is terrible. Toronto gets the 3 best players by far.
I know Dangle brought this up on his podcast this week but it makes no sense. Ducks don't want to trade Gibson and why would they want a UFA goalie in Campbell? Literally idiotic fan boy stuff that is just fueled by mind bending pretzel logic.
Muzzin basically has no value if not negative value at this point. His body is broken down... he's gonna be close to cooked in the very near future.
Robertson and Abruzzese are magic beans and may never do anything at the NHL level.
1sts are nice of course but that's not enough tangible assets coming back. There's a reason why the cap is so lopsided in this trade. Toronto can't take on that much salary and not give anything of value back from their roster.
If Campbell isn't their guy for the playoffs then they should try to trade him for Fleury or something like that. Chicago would maybe bite because they may see Campbell as a goalie they can sign and play with for the next few years. Fleury may have some old man goalie magic and actually win a round for Toronto.
I know Dangle brought this up on his podcast this week but it makes no sense. Ducks don't want to trade Gibson and why would they want a UFA goalie in Campbell? Literally idiotic fan boy stuff that is just fueled by mind bending pretzel logic.
Muzzin basically has no value if not negative value at this point. His body is broken down... he's gonna be close to cooked in the very near future.
Robertson and Abruzzese are magic beans and may never do anything at the NHL level.
1sts are nice of course but that's not enough tangible assets coming back. There's a reason why the cap is so lopsided in this trade. Toronto can't take on that much salary and not give anything of value back from their roster.
If Campbell isn't their guy for the playoffs then they should try to trade him for Fleury or something like that. Chicago would maybe bite because they may see Campbell as a goalie they can sign and play with for the next few years. Fleury may have some old man goalie magic and actually win a round for Toronto.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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100% horrendous for Anaheim, And they decline big time.
We get 2 late firsts, LTIR Muzzin, Campbell who probably wants $5M+ on his next deal and can't handle 1G workload. Robertson is good.
It's not the worst by far that I've seen, but Ducks are climbing up, getting ready to go, as such we need Gibson.
Edit: Nevermind, didn't realise you're also asking Lindholm. Go pound sand.
Easy fact, if a homer leaf fan makes a proposal, it will suck for your team and massively favour theirs.
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- Jul 25, 2012
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Oh crap, just realized we are talking Lindholm not Manson….ya, ok…1st+Robertson?
- Jul 25, 2012
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See my edited post please…had Manson on my mind…not Lindholm
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While the value seems to be pretty bad for the Ducks, it also seems to be extremely problematic for the Leafs.
#1 -- it doesn't come anywhere close to working from a cap perspective this year. The Leafs have minimal cap space with everyone healthy, this deal sees $7.3m out on Campbell & Muzzin, but $15.4m in on 3 players.
#2 - Consider what this does to the Leafs after this year.
Gibson is a $6.4m goalie. Rakell is probably a $4-5m forward. Lindholm is probably a $7m+ defenceman.
The Leafs have an impending cap crunch before this deal.
Campbell likely comes in comfortably under $6.4m. While the Leafs will need a "muzzin replacement" if they move him, they're probably going to be limited to spending in the $4-5m range.
Even if they could fit it cap-wise this year, the likely outcome of doing a trade like this a few months from now would be a complete emptying of the asset pool (2 x 1sts + Robertson), and John Gibson at $6.4m, meaning you've probably only got $2-3m to replace Jake Muzzin/Hampus Lindholm, after trading Mrazek and/or Kerfoot.
Ultimately, a lot of the speculation from the talking heads is that Dubas is only going to open up the "big wallet" if it's for pieces that are fits beyond this year. Personally, I believe it. The Leafs got burned big time on Foligno & co. last year; and are in a spot where they know they need to find some cheaper players for next year.
#1 -- it doesn't come anywhere close to working from a cap perspective this year. The Leafs have minimal cap space with everyone healthy, this deal sees $7.3m out on Campbell & Muzzin, but $15.4m in on 3 players.
#2 - Consider what this does to the Leafs after this year.
Gibson is a $6.4m goalie. Rakell is probably a $4-5m forward. Lindholm is probably a $7m+ defenceman.
The Leafs have an impending cap crunch before this deal.
Campbell likely comes in comfortably under $6.4m. While the Leafs will need a "muzzin replacement" if they move him, they're probably going to be limited to spending in the $4-5m range.
Even if they could fit it cap-wise this year, the likely outcome of doing a trade like this a few months from now would be a complete emptying of the asset pool (2 x 1sts + Robertson), and John Gibson at $6.4m, meaning you've probably only got $2-3m to replace Jake Muzzin/Hampus Lindholm, after trading Mrazek and/or Kerfoot.
Ultimately, a lot of the speculation from the talking heads is that Dubas is only going to open up the "big wallet" if it's for pieces that are fits beyond this year. Personally, I believe it. The Leafs got burned big time on Foligno & co. last year; and are in a spot where they know they need to find some cheaper players for next year.
Aashir Mallik
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Take Gibson out, ducks aren’t trading him, not for one or two more years till dostol is ready
I’d say something like:
Rakell
Lindholm
for
2022 2023 1st
2023 2nd
Robertson
Rentals almost always cost 1st+
it’s basically rakell for a 1st and a B prospect and
Lindholm for a 1st and a 2nd
this also depends on any nmcs and what the clauses are, so this trade seems kinda unrealistic too
My value still isn’t perfect but I feel it’s much better than what op has proposed
I’d say something like:
Rakell
Lindholm
for
2022 2023 1st
2023 2nd
Robertson
Rentals almost always cost 1st+
it’s basically rakell for a 1st and a B prospect and
Lindholm for a 1st and a 2nd
this also depends on any nmcs and what the clauses are, so this trade seems kinda unrealistic too
My value still isn’t perfect but I feel it’s much better than what op has proposed
TheFinalWord
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Good, is simply not good enough!
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Not enough from the leafs side, jesus leafs get a Lindholm, Rakell & Gibson all for Matthews & Nylander they have throw in Rielly or Marner + 2 first round picks and maybe Ducks say yes
KaseMeOutside
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Nope from me
The 2 firsts aren't going to be high picks
Like Robertson but the injuries are a concern
Muzzin and Campbell are essentially in the deal for financial reasons
The 2 firsts aren't going to be high picks
Like Robertson but the injuries are a concern
Muzzin and Campbell are essentially in the deal for financial reasons
A players value is what a GM is willing to pay. Just because one GM might have overpaid another GM won’t.
