GDT: Leafs @ Devils - Dec 10th 7PM

[Doublerum1975]

What we need is the third and fourth line to chip in with a goal every once and awhile

 

[notbias]

It's almost as if everyone sees it except the team.

M&M will have one or two good games together and in the eyes of the management that warrants putting them on a line all the time.

Or, it is almost like the fans we have suck at evaluating hockey.

This board was praising Treliving and Berube all summer, seems weird to start hating their decisions when they are such great hockey minds.

 

[Aashir]

Or, it is almost like the fans we have suck at evaluating hockey.

This board was praising Treliving and Berube all summer, seems weird to start hating their decisions when they are such great hockey minds.

yes because you have to agree with every decision someone makes if you like them...

 

[notbias]

yes because you have to agree with every decision someone makes if you like them...

With all the praise these two got, seems odd they'd both get it wrong.

Anyway, our fanbase is fairly uneducated on these boards anyway, they can't see anything other than points, which makes it really surprising they have an issue with Marner/Matthews.

 

[ACC1224]

Has there been any info that's come out about tonights game?

 

[Burnie97]

 

[crump]

Leafs on the road. I like their chances better playing a good road game than trying to outscore the Devils at home.

Lose and it matches the longest losing streak (3) this season. Matthews will be seen as past peak, Berube will be a dinasour, our goalies suck. Win and all is forgiven.

 

[Gary Nylund]

With all the praise these two got, seems odd they'd both get it wrong.

Anyway, our fanbase is fairly uneducated on these boards anyway, they can't see anything other than points, which makes it really surprising they have an issue with Marner/Matthews.

1)
The first thing I see is our 8 consecutive seasons of sub .500 hockey in the playoffs. Since M&M have almost always been together in the playoffs, splitting them up seems logical.

2)
If all I saw was points, I would say that the regular season is just fine, but playoffs are a huge issue as the PPG of M&M goes way down, especially Marner.

 

[shaner8989]

This team isn’t the same with out McMann. Need him back badly

 

[notbias]

1)
The first thing I see is our 8 consecutive seasons of sub .500 hockey in the playoffs. Since M&M have almost always been together in the playoffs, splitting them up seems logical.

Is that what is holding us back?

It sucks we didn't win last year when they were split up (arguably our worst series), we also lost in 2019, 2018, and 2017.

It looks like they've played apart as much as together.

But, if we split them up, that'll help us win, it is only logical based on history (it's not).

Times they got out of the first round:
0/4 apart
1/4 together

The narratives that are pushed are never backed by logic.

2)
If all I saw was points, I would say that the regular season is just fine, but playoffs are a huge issue as the PPG of M&M goes way down, especially Marner.

That is a huge argument by a lot on these boards... I would have singled you out if I thought it was you.

Also, Matthews' PPG probably drops the most.

Nylander's would, but he never puts up big points in the regular season outside of the last couple of years.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Is that what is holding us back?

It sucks we didn't win last year when they were split up (arguably our worst series), we also lost in 2019, 2018, and 2017.

It looks like they've played apart as much as together.

But, if we split them up, that'll help us win, it is only logical based on history (it's not).

Times they got out of the first round:
0/4 apart
1/4 together

The narratives that are pushed are never backed by logic.

That is a huge argument by a lot on these boards... I would have singled you out if I thought it was you.

It's never just one thing, but their production plummeting in the playoffs is obviously a pretty big issue.

 

[Suntouchable13]

It's never just one thing, but their production plummeting in the playoffs is obviously a pretty big issue.

The East is wide open this season. The team has very good goaltending (knock on wood it stays that way) and D. If they can’t get to the ECF, at least, it’s them (the core) who will be at fault. No more excuses. I can not wait for them to show us that 2025 will be different than the previous 8 years.

 

[notbias]

It's never just one thing, but their production plummeting in the playoffs is obviously a pretty big issue.

Are we ignoring that 50% of the time they didn't play together?

Together

Marner: 1.00PPG
Matthews: 1.03PPG

Apart

Marner: 0.74PPG
Matthews: 0.68PPG

You can double-check the math if you'd like.

Looks like it plummets when they play with others.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Are we ignoring that 50% of the time they didn't play together?

Together

Marner: 1.00PPG
Matthews: 1.03PPG

Apart

Marner: 0.74PPG
Matthews: 0.68PPG

You can double-check the math if you'd like.

Looks like it plummets when they play with others.

Not sure where you're getting these numbers from. Source?

 

[notbias]

Not sure where you're getting these numbers from. Source?

Their PPG the playoffs they played with each other and away from each other.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Not sure what line I hate more

Matthews with Marner

Or

Domi Tavares Nylander

 

[Gary Nylund]

Their PPG the playoffs they played with each other and away from each other.

LOL. I'm asking not what the numbers mean, but where you're getting the numbers from.

Not sure what line I hate more

Matthews with Marner

Or

Domi Tavares Nylander

Yeah, close call IMO.

 

[ACC1224]

Their PPG the playoffs they played with each other and away from each other.

Playoffs start in April, has no bearing on tonights game.

 

[notbias]

LOL. I'm asking not what the numbers mean, but where you're getting the numbers from.

I am telling you what the numbers are, their main linemates can easily be found on Moneypuck, and their points can easily be found on the NHL website.

I didn't think you'd need to verify their most common linemates because it was obvious what years Matthews was with Nylander or Domi and which years he was with Marner.

Then points, figured you'd know nhl.com has that.

Playoffs start in April.

Thanks?

 

[ACC1224]

I am telling you what the numbers are, their main linemates can easily be found on Moneypuck, and their points can easily be found on the NHL website.

I didn't think you'd need to verify their most common linemates because it was obvious what years Matthews was with Nylander or Domi and which years he was with Marner.

Then points, figured you'd know nhl.com has that.



Thanks?

You squirrels seem confused, this is a GDT.
GDT is an acronym for Game Day Thread

 

[notbias]

You squirrels seem confused, this is a GDT.
GDT is an acronym for Game Day Thread

You could always follow the thread and read the context before chiming in with nothing of importance.

We are discussing the current lineup and how Matthews/Marner are together.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I am telling you what the numbers are, their main linemates can easily be found on Moneypuck, and their points can easily be found on the NHL website.

I didn't think you'd need to verify their most common linemates because it was obvious what years Matthews was with Nylander or Domi and which years he was with Marner.

Then points, figured you'd know nhl.com has that.

Points totals and "main linemates" aren't enough to calculate the numbers you posted. If you can't explain how you arrived at those numbers then don't expect anyone to accept them as factual.

 

[notbias]

Points totals and "main linemates" aren't enough to calculate the numbers you posted. If you can't explain how you arrived at those numbers then don't expect anyone to accept them as factual.

Their point totals drop significantly in the series they play away from each other, this is not difficult.

It is obviously more complex than that, but your analysis was just "their point totals plummet" and "we will win if we split them up".

Maybe address that they've won more together than apart?

They've played 4 playoffs together and 4 apart.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Their point totals drop significantly in the series they play away from each other, this is not difficult.

It is obviously more complex than that, but your analysis was just "their point totals plummet" and "we will win if we split them up".

Maybe address that they've won more together than apart?

They've played 4 playoffs together and 4 apart.

Yes of course it's more complex, that's why I asked how you arrived at these numbers that you posted:
Marner: 1.00PPG
Matthews: 1.03PPG
Apart
Marner: 0.74PPG
Matthews: 0.68PPG

I never said "we will win if we split them up", why would you post this nonsense? Be better and stop wasting my time, please and thank you!

 

[Burnie97]

Looks like he's back forsure