Proposal: Leafs & Coyotes offer made Final

[cup67]

Is Sandin an available asset in a trade for a player like Chychrun or is he off the table due to you wanting to add to the group rather than remove a member of the D group for another

from what I can gather he’s not available so he doesn’t count

No I would never include him .
Truth Chychrun 4.6 mil contract , trade is only worth really 1st round pick and a second round pick
And a 3rd round pick . Based on offersheet of a 7 mil 5 years

 

[Dr Danglefest]

No I would never include him .
Truth Chychrun 4.6 mil contract , trade is only worth really 1st round pick and a second round pick
And a 3rd round pick . Based on offersheet of a 7 mil 5 years

A) Why bring up Sandin if he’s not available. My point was the leafs don’t have the prospect pool to truly compete with some of the other teams in the league.

B) if you are insinuating all trade value is based on offer sheet compensation then yikes

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Actually, the offer is too much.

The offer has zero quality, Ritchie is worthless Dermott you'd be lucky to get a 4th for him. 2 late 1st that will be in the high 20's and 3 prospects with 0 NHL experience. The OPs trade for Jakob Chychrun isn't realistic and other teams would easily blow away this worthless offer. Just saying.

 

[cup67]

A) Why bring up Sandin if he’s not available. My point was the leafs don’t have the prospect pool to truly compete with some of the other teams in the league.

B) if you are insinuating all trade value is based on offer sheet compensation then yikes

It’s pretty close to that or less sometimes

 

[Leaf Fans]

okay, I’m not gonna bother repeating myself, it’s not surprising that as a leafs fan you think that, but league perception is a different thing and quite frankly all that matters as far as the trade market is concerned

Yes, I am a Leaf fan ( obvious). No, you do not have the list of how every team in the League views prospects. No, need to repeat yourself as by definition you will be saying the same thing. In the lastest list ( from outside the Leafs and not done by Leaf fans) has Niemela at 29 and Knies at 54 it doesn't list Hirvonen admittedly, it is the mid season top 100 NHL prospects https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/ ( January 2022). Now do you have the prospect ranking from every other team? One other team? Or did you just make that claim?

 

[Leaf Fans]

The offer has zero quality, Ritchie is worthless Dermott you'd be lucky to get a 4th for him. 2 late 1st that will be in the high 20's and 3 prospects with 0 NHL experience. The OPs trade for Jakob Chychrun isn't realistic and other teams would easily blow away this worthless offer. Just saying.

Ritchie and Dermott are involved but first round picks are never trash neither are a couple of prospects (the oldest one is 20 years old) Like you said, some teams can beat that offer ( obviously not 30), in my opinion, let them. I think it is an over-payment.

 

[cup67]

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Ritchie and Dermott are involved but first round picks are never trash neither are a couple of prospects (the oldest one is 20 years old) Like you said, some teams can beat that offer ( obviously not 30), in my opinion, let them. I think it is an over-payment.

 

[cup67]

Yes, I am a Leaf fan ( obvious). No, you do not have the list of how every team in the League views prospects. No, need to repeat yourself as by definition you will be saying the same thing. In the lastest list ( from outside the Leafs and not done by Leaf fans) has Niemela at 29 and Knies at 54 it doesn't list Hirvonen admittedly, it is the mid season top 100 NHL prospects https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/ ( January 2022). Now do you have the prospect ranking from every other team? One other team? Or did you just make that claim?

Amirov and Robertson ranked 20 and 21 Niomela 29 as of Jan 2022

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

huh?

Don’t they have Chinese restaurants in Arizona?

 

[cup67]

it’s not a great offer fellas…obviously you have your leaf fans that see their teams “top prospects” that they have high hopes for and flinch and say no way it’s an overpay, but the reality is, those kids are not “top prospects” from a league wide standpoint, they are not “A” level prospects, and when dealing a top pairing Dman that is young and signed to a sweetheart deal, you need a blue chipper coming back.

this offer has quantity but not enough high end quality. And that’s not a dig at those kids, it’s just the reality of it, the Leafs have been good for a while, it’s no surprise that their prospect pool doesn’t have the high end that a lot of other teams have

Robertson 20 ranked , Amirov 21 ranked , Niomela 29 ranked Per the hockey writers Jan 2022

 

[cup67]

Don’t they have Chinese restaurants in Arizona?

Yes they do .

 

[JoeSakic13]

Wait, what about this is “made final”? As in you’re done editing the original post?

 

[cup67]

Need at least 1 blue chip prospect, you dont have any here

Robertson, Amirov, Niomela just to name a few . Top 30 prospects

 

[cup67]

Wait, what about this is “made final”? As in you’re done editing the original post?

Done just wanted to see what people thought about an offer that was overpayment, and now made it less but still overpayment. Leafs have no blue chip prospects.

 

[I am Canadian]

The slander against Knies & Niemela is embarrassing by other fans. You just look where they were drafted rather than how they have developed so far. They are blue chip prospects who will not be moved as they will be vital going forward as this team is stuck against the cap.

Not worth discussing the value as the Leafs won't be offering these players.

 

[cup67]

The slander against Knies & Niemela is embarrassing by other fans. You just look where they were drafted rather than how they have developed so far. They are blue chip prospects who will not be moved as they will be vital going forward as this team is stuck against the cap.
Yes I agree
Not worth discussing the value as the Leafs won't be offering these players.

 

[TBF1972]

No I would never include him .
Truth Chychrun 4.6 mil contract , trade is only worth really 1st round pick and a second round pick
And a 3rd round pick . Based on offersheet of a 7 mil 5 years

that's exactly the reason, why his trade value is much higher. his current contract is a value contract, as he outperforms the contract numbers. chychrun is a legit first pairing d, which is only 23 years old. a market level pay grade is 6m+. the isles signing of pelech and pulock were celebrated as great contracts and both are 4 years older.

in your proposal you are asking for 50% retention on an already great contract, which would make chychrun THE bargain in the nhl for 3+ years. the devils got a first and a former first round pick (nolan foote) for blake coleman and his contract was just for two po runs. at 50% the yotes should ask for 3 times the value without entertaining any cap dumps.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Robertson, Amirov, Niomela just to name a few . Top 30 prospects

You didn't even offer Robertson or Amirov? Niemela is solid but need to offer another top guy if you want the retention.

 

[mouser]

Arizona - Chychrun 4.6 mil cap

Tor- 1st 2022, 1st 2023 , Knies

based on offersheet 7 mil over 5 years .

that’s all he is worth . No team will pay more then this .

coyotes will probably keep him and lose him in 3 years

yes this is still an overpayment.

I see you've edited the original post. Still not interested from AZ, sorry.

I don't understand what the point of bringing up an offer sheet is when Chychrun is signed through 2025?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Arizona - Chychrun 4.6 mil cap

Tor- 1st 2022, 1st 2023 , Knies

based on offersheet 7 mil over 5 years .

that’s all he is worth . No team will pay more then this .

coyotes will probably keep him and lose him in 3 years

yes this is still an overpayment.

And you honestly think this is better? A more realistic offer would be Sandin+Robertson+Leafs 2022 1st round pick. That's the kind of haul Bill Armstrong is looking for. For Jakob Chychrun.

 

[cup67]

I see you've edited the original post. Still not interested from AZ, sorry.

AZ will get less if they trade him , never get to 1st round picks .

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

No I would never include him .
Truth Chychrun 4.6 mil contract , trade is only worth really 1st round pick and a second round pick
And a 3rd round pick . Based on offersheet of a 7 mil 5 years

This makes literally zero sense. If Chychrun were an RFA this upcoming summer he would be getting 8M. Using Offer Sheet compensation as a measurement of player value has got to be the strangest roundabout attempt at logic I've seen in a long time. Can you please explain your way of thinking here for the rest of the class

 

[cup67]

AZ will get less if they trade him , never get to 1st round picks .

Leafs will never give up Knies , he’s going to be a legit top prospect

 

[cup67]

This makes literally zero sense. If Chychrun were an RFA this upcoming summer he would be getting 8M. using Offer Sheet compensation as a measurement of player value has got to be the strangest roundabout attempt at logic I've seen in a long time. Can you please explain your way of thinking here for the rest of the class

That’s what 8 mil gets you . What did NYR give up for Fox?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

That’s what 8 mil gets you . What did NYR give up for Fox?

Fox refused to sign an ELC with any team but NYR, how is that remotely the same? He also developed into a completely different player from his draft time. When drafted he was an offensive dman that was not good in his own end. Obviously that is not the case anymore

You still haven't explained your previous thing on the Offer Sheets