Toronto would be stupid to give those assets for chychurn considering how poor he is defensively.
Proposal: Leafs & Coyotes offer made Final
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Chychrun is something the Leafs dont 'need' and cant afford
Knies is the type of player we havent had since Roberts, and we need those 1sts to restock because as players need a raise, we cant afford to keep them, so, they need to be replaced with what those 1st rounders should be
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good, let the Oilers do it then... not like it will help them keep the puck out of the net, but, they may get an extra 1/2 a goal a game
Chychrun will probably be a stud, but he certainly hasn't been, especially this year.
That being said, my post was not at all intended to suggest that the Coyotes should trade him for less.... meerely to be realistic about who the potential suitors are.
The Coyotes retained on OEL for 6 years because NOBODY was touching that contract at $8.25m. Chychrun is at $4.6m x 3, and there's a lineup of teams who'd love to have him for that. He also has no trade protection, so the Coyotes are in control. They absolutely should not be retaining on Chychrun, even if it improves the return a bit.
Now look at the market of the other 31 teams out there. There are the contenders (Carolina, Florida, Tampa, Toronto, Colorado, Minnesota, and probably Vegas when they get healthy). There are the teams with potential to do some damage (Rangers, Pittsburgh, Washington, Boston, Nashville, Los Angeles, Anaheim, St. Louis, Calgary, Edmonton & Dallas); and there is everyone else who's basically out.
For a team to be able to take him on, they've either gotta have close to $1.5m in clear cap space from the beginning of the season, or have a large enough undesirable contract.
Of the 7 contenders, only Minnesota has the cap space to acquire Chychrun outright, and only Florida has a large enough undesirable contract (Hornqvist) to make it work. Open it up to the "potential" teams... Rangers, Boston, Nashville, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Calgary and maybe Dallas or Edmonton can do it.
There's a lot of sellers this year, and a lot of defencemen likely to be available. You're going to see tons of teams retain salary, and likely quite a few double-retention deals. The teams that can make $4.6m for Chychrun are going to be faced with a choice. Am I better off throwing a haul at Arizona for Chychrun, and doing nothing else? Or am I better off getting a $4.5m defenceman at $2.25m, and a $5m forward at $2.5m, both of whom are playing better than Chychrun, to improve my chances of winning the cup this year?
I can see Minnesota or Florida doing it, but the other 5 contenders practically not. Amongst the potentials, Boston would probably do it (not with Swayman though); but the rest, I suspect their willingness to offload their 1st round pick, top prospect plus more may not be all that appealing given how far behind those 7 contenders they appear to be. The Rangers may be a team for whom it makes sense to add a player of Chychrun's age, but they're really not looking for a defenceman.
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i've read this a dozen times, and still don't get the 'offer sheet' reference
per CF, Chych is UFA when his current deal ends
and a 5x$7M offer sheet, if unmatched, yields 1 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
2 late 1st's and a late 2nd is a generous and IMHO fair offer,
but not particularly special, or necessarily more than some other team might offer
and with Leafs already commited to >$13M on left D the next couple years, is it the best use of Cap Space?
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No ..lets not let the Oilers do that...
Chychrun is a step down from Nurse as is, all while averaging a full minute more per game on the PP
best i'd offer from the Oilers is a 1st, Samo and Barrie going back for Contracts to work
its all in the stats.. ive compared both basic and advanced .. not worth it...
Op offer is a slight overpayment
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So now you can predict the future. Cool man, maybe you can let everyone know this weeks lottery #’s as well.
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I would just change it to Niemela was the "best Dman" at the 2021 WJC, but otherwise save the quote. Both him and Knies have passed Robertson and Amirov, our so called blue chippers. Niemela also has more upside than Sandin. Why is that so bold?
Ledge And Dairy
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The "upside" you refer too is based on zero NHL experience. For example Niemela has 27 points in 38 games right? That ranks him 2nd amoung defense league wide and 6th in team scoring in PPG. Last year in the same league Valimaki was 1st amoung defense league wide and 2nd in team scoring in PPG. The point I'm making is that the hype on him may be higher because unlike Sandin he hasn't played in the NHL yet, however the reality is that Sandin is still the better prospect and that really hasn't changed
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I would rather part with Sandin as the main piece in a Chychrun trade than use Niemela as a throw in.
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To each their own. I would personally rather get Sandin than Niemela if I was Arizona. He can step into the lineup as soon as next year to join their young core of Timmins and Soderstrom and he still definitely has #1 potential
it's actually an ok comparable, if the player is becoming fa and you weigh it against what you would be willing to offer him as contract.
it's not when a player is signed mid/long term. especially if the contract is way below market value.
In a redraft, where every fan base can put their prospects in the draft round, they believe they belong, we would end up with at least 60 first rounders and 100 second rounders.
No scout watches all prospects. Even less so us fans.
They haven't played a game, but they aren't commanding a package like Chychurn either. I really hope the leafs don't trade for him because he is awful defensively.but niemela and knies have such a track record
As has been pointed out above, all you do with retention is pick a percentage. A team retains for the entire length of the deal, by a given percentage specified at the time of the trade.
That retention than applies to each year remaining on the deal. Retention does not allow for that kind of granularity (e.g., you can't retain 50 percent in year one and then zero in all subsequent years of a contract with multiple years remaining, or do so on a graduated declining basis - 50%, 30%, 15%, 0%). It's fixed at X percent for every year.
knies is labeled in this thread as a top 6 nhl forward and niemela as better than sandin before, as you said, playing a single nhl game. but it's chychrun, who lacks the track record. are you guys actually trying argue against your own arguments?
