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Leafs Core Beyond the 2013-14 - EDIT Retool or Blow it up?
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johnny_rudeboy
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TheCLAM
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Keep:
Bernier
JVR
Bozak
Kessel
Kulemin
Bolland
Clarkson (he's not being moved after signing for 7 years, deal with it)
McClement
Rielly
Gleason
Explore Moving:
Phaneuf
Gunnarsson
Gardiner
Kadri
Lupul
Definitely trade:
Franson
Reimer
Orr
McLaren
Walk:
Raymond
Ranger
Needs:
A legitimate two-way center upgrade (Eric Staal)
A legitimate right winger to play on the Lupul line
A top 4 two-way defenseman
A top 4 shutdown defensemen
Bernier
JVR
Bozak
Kessel
Kulemin
Bolland
Clarkson (he's not being moved after signing for 7 years, deal with it)
McClement
Rielly
Gleason
Explore Moving:
Phaneuf
Gunnarsson
Gardiner
Kadri
Lupul
Definitely trade:
Franson
Reimer
Orr
McLaren
Walk:
Raymond
Ranger
Needs:
A legitimate two-way center upgrade (Eric Staal)
A legitimate right winger to play on the Lupul line
A top 4 two-way defenseman
A top 4 shutdown defensemen
johnny_rudeboy
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Staal, Eric Staal, 2-way center? He is lazy as hell. Would not want him near this team.
TheCLAM
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He's an elite center in this league that can make a difference in our top 6. Let's not forget he played in a shutdown roll for team Canada in 2010
Most Carolina fans call him lazy. Although he's definitely an upgrade over bozak, he's not the guy you sell the farm to get.
TheKule
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He's been productive. His contract is easily movable. Won't get much back mind you, but he was a salary dump to begin with.
cack
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I can TOTALLY envision the Leafs new owners who purchased MLSE for 1 billion dollars last year risking hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue by starting over and rebuilding through the draft which takes a minimum of eight years.
Bobs your uncle
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A core developed around these players and David Clarkson IS the Leafs central problem going forward. For the life of me, I shudder at the thought of Dion Phaneuf being the Leafs captain, leader or #1 d-man until the year 2021 for the sums of money the Bud's have committed to.
Should the Leafs just blow up?
I say other than Kessel, JVR, Bozak, Phaneuf, Rielly, Gunnarson, Bolland, Bernier and Raymond everyone should be traded. Although Clarkson probably can't be traded. I'd keep Kadri too unless we can get a better center.
Franson and Gardiner suck on defense, Gardiner would probably be better converted to forward honestly. Franson is too slow and not good enough defensively, his offense isn't worth keeping around he just makes us worse. BOTH MAKE US WORSE. We can't afford Franson anyway so we have to sign and trade him.
Lupul is a cherry picker who is inconsistent without Kessel. If he isn't scoring goals he isn't doing anything other than taking penalties when he gets frustrated. He really makes us worse unless he's on a hot streak which isn't often. MAKES US WORSE.
Reimer is really good but since Carlyle hates him and we have Bernier, Reimer is just trade bait now.
We have to build from within. MacWilliams/Percy and Granberg can make the jump and play in the NHL, they will play much better defense than Gardiner and Franson will provide. On offense guys like D'Amigo, Leivo, Broll and Devane can help out our bottom 6.
Clarkson in the pressbox or bought out he's so bad.
Preferred trades-
Lupul and 2nd for Roman Josi
Reimer, Gardiner and prospect for Wheeler and Montoya.
Franson for 2nd and 6th rd
This team would be much better off.
I'd like our lineup to be
JVR- Bozak- Kessel
Wheeler- Kadri- Raymond
D'Amigo- Bolland- Leivo
Devane/Broll- Mcclement- Bodie
Rielly- Phaneuf
Gunnarson- Josi
Granberg- Gleason
I say other than Kessel, JVR, Bozak, Phaneuf, Rielly, Gunnarson, Bolland, Bernier and Raymond everyone should be traded. Although Clarkson probably can't be traded. I'd keep Kadri too unless we can get a better center.
Franson and Gardiner suck on defense, Gardiner would probably be better converted to forward honestly. Franson is too slow and not good enough defensively, his offense isn't worth keeping around he just makes us worse. BOTH MAKE US WORSE. We can't afford Franson anyway so we have to sign and trade him.
Lupul is a cherry picker who is inconsistent without Kessel. If he isn't scoring goals he isn't doing anything other than taking penalties when he gets frustrated. He really makes us worse unless he's on a hot streak which isn't often. MAKES US WORSE.
Reimer is really good but since Carlyle hates him and we have Bernier, Reimer is just trade bait now.
We have to build from within. MacWilliams/Percy and Granberg can make the jump and play in the NHL, they will play much better defense than Gardiner and Franson will provide. On offense guys like D'Amigo, Leivo, Broll and Devane can help out our bottom 6.
Clarkson in the pressbox or bought out he's so bad.
Preferred trades-
Lupul and 2nd for Roman Josi
Reimer, Gardiner and prospect for Wheeler and Montoya.
Franson for 2nd and 6th rd
This team would be much better off.
I'd like our lineup to be
JVR- Bozak- Kessel
Wheeler- Kadri- Raymond
D'Amigo- Bolland- Leivo
Devane/Broll- Mcclement- Bodie
Rielly- Phaneuf
Gunnarson- Josi
Granberg- Gleason
Bardown warrior
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No we have some solid peices going forward... but i wouldnt mind trading 1 or 2 players from our core... A new coach would do wonders for this team.
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don't mind most of your moves!
but prefer my pipe-dream over yours!
buyout: clarkson
resignings:kulemin - 2.0 from 2.8
mcclement- 1.75 from 1.5
ashton - 1.25 from 1.04
holland - 1.5 from 1.3
gardiner - 2.1 from 1.12
frolik(post trade) - 2.75 fom 2.32
signings - niskanen 4.0 from 2.3 M
fayne 1.5 from 1.25
greiss 1.250 from .75
trades: 1) fransons rights for 2nd round pick
2) kadri, reimer's rights, 2nd + prospect to winn for little, frolik' rights
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Bryan Little ($4.700m) / Michael Frolik ($2.750m)
Brenden Morrow ($1.500m) / Peter Holland ($1.500m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($3.000m)
Tyler Biggs ($0.894m) / Jay McClement ($1.750m) / Carter Ashton ($1.250m)
David Broll ($0.591m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m)
Matt Niskanen ($4.000m) / Morgan Rielly ($0.894m)
Jake Gardiner ($2.100m) / Tim Gleason ($4.000m)
Mark Fayne ($1.500m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.250m)
BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)
David Clarkson ($2.292m)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,720,833; BONUSES: $1,062,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,379,167
we can dream right?
but prefer my pipe-dream over yours!
buyout: clarkson
resignings:kulemin - 2.0 from 2.8
mcclement- 1.75 from 1.5
ashton - 1.25 from 1.04
holland - 1.5 from 1.3
gardiner - 2.1 from 1.12
frolik(post trade) - 2.75 fom 2.32
signings - niskanen 4.0 from 2.3 M
fayne 1.5 from 1.25
greiss 1.250 from .75
trades: 1) fransons rights for 2nd round pick
2) kadri, reimer's rights, 2nd + prospect to winn for little, frolik' rights
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Bryan Little ($4.700m) / Michael Frolik ($2.750m)
Brenden Morrow ($1.500m) / Peter Holland ($1.500m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($3.000m)
Tyler Biggs ($0.894m) / Jay McClement ($1.750m) / Carter Ashton ($1.250m)
David Broll ($0.591m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m)
Matt Niskanen ($4.000m) / Morgan Rielly ($0.894m)
Jake Gardiner ($2.100m) / Tim Gleason ($4.000m)
Mark Fayne ($1.500m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.250m)
BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)
David Clarkson ($2.292m)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,720,833; BONUSES: $1,062,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,379,167
we can dream right?
hotpaws
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Keeping you're entire core outside of Lupul and a kid like Gards isn't blowing it up .
blue82
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Moving 4 big pieces is pretty much blowing up. You don't need to trade Kessel and Phaneuf to blow up the team.
Blowing up =/= rebuilding. Blowing up is just make big changes.
This team should be wiped off the face of the earth.
If we bring in new leadership(GM) and do a rebuild players like Kessel,Bozak and maybe Phaneuff are all gone. They will be past their prime by the time we ever compete and have some value now. We also need to send a loud message to the players about making the fans suffer because they don't like the coach...again.We need to pick very undesirable cities to trade them too.Their is a disease here that needs total 100 percent eradication.This is disgrace!
"I'm out of order!? You are all out of order!!!"
If we bring in new leadership(GM) and do a rebuild players like Kessel,Bozak and maybe Phaneuff are all gone. They will be past their prime by the time we ever compete and have some value now. We also need to send a loud message to the players about making the fans suffer because they don't like the coach...again.We need to pick very undesirable cities to trade them too.Their is a disease here that needs total 100 percent eradication.This is disgrace!
"I'm out of order!? You are all out of order!!!"
hotpaws
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Who are these 4 big pieces you're talking about and i hope you're not including a b/u goalie and a 3rd pair D that plays on the pp as big pieces .
Lupul, Reimer, Franson and Gardiner are the pieces. Im starting to question if your paying attention or just don't understand hockey judging by that sentence.
1st Reimer a backup goalie? On what planet? If it wasn't for Carlyle hating him and Bernier he'd be starting. If you actually think Reimer isn't a starter you obviously don't think Bernier is either.
2nd Franson and Gardiner are both 2nd pairing defenseman. When was the last time you tuned into a Leaf game? They both log more minutes than Rielly, Gleason and Gunnarson. So def not 3rd pairing.
If your saying they aren't worthy of their roles I agree. But the fact is they have major roles on this team like it or not.
blue82
BELEAF (win or lose)
lets not over react..leafs need some tweaks
just because they get outshot BADLY does not mean they are a BAD team that needs to blow up
listen, we could always hire ron wilson and outshoot the other teams BADLY right?
Do you understand what DEFENSE is?
This current team plays **** defense. If you noticed in my OP my idea is trade the guys who are liabilities on defense (Lupul, Gardiner and Franson) and trade for people who aren't liabilities and build from within.
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Changes have to be made, lost tonight pretty much sums up the problems with this team.
One thing to add, Leafs need to address their strength and conditioning, Leafs are ready for a new approach, Anthony Belza should not be retained.
One thing to add, Leafs need to address their strength and conditioning, Leafs are ready for a new approach, Anthony Belza should not be retained.
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