TSN: Leafs' Connolly placed on waivers - McKenzie: Cleared waivers.

[IBeL34f]

Okay, just updated there:

Forwards: 12
Defenders: 8
Goalie: 2
Buried: 2 (Orr, Connolly)
Prospects: 26 (3 slide)

What happened to a prospect?

Could that be Aucoin getting claimed by the Isles?

 

[Hero]

I love it.

Our 9 most capable offensive forwards has become quite clear.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabo - MacArthur
Kulemin - Kadri - Frattin

Thats three solid lines to role.

Brown/Orr/Steckle - McClement - Komarov

I hope it's two of Brown/Orr/Steckle that get sent down, and not one of them with Kadri.

 

[IBeL34f]

I'm becoming impressed with Nonis, so far the moves Burke wouldn't make Nonis has, shedding Lombo, Connelly is a great start, finding a trade for Komi would go along way to correcting 2 of Burkes dumb signings.

The bigger picture is what Nonis is signalling with the last 2 moves, Draft, Develop, and Promote is the new philosophy.

Who's next? Nonis is going to make room for the better Marlies, this year is looking like getting experience for guys like Kadri, Frattin, Ashton, Colborne all in good time. Like the direction Nonis is taking, it's about time someone is looking at the big picture here. Maybe Rogers/Bell knew what they were doing afterall.

The way you two talk makes it seem like Nonis is doing something other than follow the exact kind of plan that Burke had in place all along.

 

[34]

Finally, Nonis is starting to clean up the garbage Burke left. Buy Komisarek out next.

Nice start from Nonis! Be nice to see JML bought out too.

 

[Ron Wilson*]

His lazyness cost him. Silly to give him 5 mil. We obviously overpaid bc he did not want to be here

 

[rumman]

The way you two talk makes it seem like Nonis is doing something other than follow the exact kind of plan that Burke had in place all along.

the difference that I see is that Burke did lots of talking, Nonis has actually did something. Lombo being traded is a win win, helps the Leafs, gives Lombo a second chance in the desert. Getting rid of Connelly is wonderful, he can't stay healthy, and when in the line up looks indifferent, certainly isn't anywhere near the player he used to be. Hopefully Kombi is traded soon, he struggled in Wilson's system, and don't see him being better than younger cheaper options within the Leaf organization so time for him to move on.............

 

[IBeL34f]

the difference that I see is that Burke did lots of talking, Nonis has actually did something. Lombo being traded is a win win, helps the Leafs, gives Lombo a second chance in the desert. Getting rid of Connelly is wonderful, he can't stay healthy, and when in the line up looks indifferent, certainly isn't anywhere near the player he used to be. Hopefully Kombi is traded soon, he struggled in Wilson's system, and don't see him being better than younger cheaper options within the Leaf organization so time for him to move on.............

I'm not disagreeing with the benefit of the moves, certainly don't get me wrong there. But everyone saying that Nonis is cleaning up the mess he inherited (or you dubbing him "the garbage man") seems to be over-looking a couple things, such as the reasons why these players were brought in in the first place, as well as Burke's comments about the coach deciding the roster.

 

[Confucius]

So is this the new defence for Brian Burke?

Assuming he would make the exact same moves as Dave Nonis?

Pretty silly if you ask me.

Read this:

Well you almost got it, Burke would have done only the positive moves Nonis makes. If Nonis should happen to make an incorrect decision, well hey Burke would never have done that.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Finally, Nonis is starting to clean up the garbage Burke left. Buy Komisarek out next.

Nice start from Nonis! Be nice to see JML bought out too.

Lol Liles bought out? Are you alright?

 

[Bomber0104]

Well you almost got it, Burke would of done only the positive moves Nonis makes. If Nonis should happen to make an incorrect decision, well hey Burke would never have done that.

Probably will go something like that.

Good Nonis moves: Part of Burke's plan (no proof of this)

Bad Nonis moves: Not part of Burke's plan (he went rogue, and again, no proof of this)

What proof we do have is Nonis specifically stating he is going to be more patient and take a different road to the ultimate destination.

And what proof we do have is a reputation for him being more gun-shy and less trigger-happy than Mr. Here's a First Round Pick Boston, Brian Burke.

 

[Canucks LB]

If his cap was around 3m, canucks would have took him.

Sucks it's at 4.5

 

[rumman]

Just did in the other thread, actually. Not entirely sure what its relevance is here, though it's obviously good news for anyone who's believed in what Burke and Nonis have been working on for the past few years. What I was getting at is that all anyone had to do to know that Lombardi and Connolly wouldn't be around much longer, regardless of who's at the helm, is look at the remaining term on their contracts and have a basic understanding of why they were brought in to the organization in the first place.

I doubt Burke would have cut ties with Connelly this quickly, after all he did sign him, which was a idiotic move for not being able to sign Richards. So far, Nonis has only improved the leafs and given Leaf Nation hope for the future.........

 

[hotpaws]

I'm actually thrilled that Nonis can make a move without the need to have an hour long media conference .

 

[Confucius]

If his cap was around 3m, canucks would have took him.

Sucks it's at 4.5

Yeah I hear ya, you have to look past the player. If we offered you Gardiner for a 2nd would you take it? What if he was making 12 million per year for the next 8 years?

 

[Bomber0104]

I'm actually thrilled that Nonis can make a move without the need to have an hour long media conference .

Looks like we have a normal GM here in Toronto now.

And if we're lucky, he'll make it about the team and winning, and not about his personal reputation.

 

[IBeL34f]

I doubt Burke would have cut ties with Connelly this quickly, after all he did sign him, which was a idiotic move for not being able to sign Richards. So far, Nonis has only improved the leafs and given Leaf Nation hope for the future.........

I agree with the bolded (though a lot of us have had that hope for the future over the past few years).

As for the Connolly/Richards situation, that depends on perspective. I'm glad we don't have Richards for the next 8 years, and bringing Connolly in as a stop-gap for only 2 years was a low-risk move that could have paid off. It didn't, but because of the lack of risk involved, that doesn't really matter.

 

[rumman]

Lombardi was brought in so that we could get Franson for Lebda. He was a stop-gap piece of a trade so that we could use our financial muscle to turn a bad asset into a young asset with good potential. He was not brought in as a main piece for anything, and in fact was not even expected to play last year, let alone help us make any kind of playoff push. He was $3.5 million dollars that we could spend that Nashville didn't want to, so they gave us a good young player for it.

Connolly was brought in to actually help the team win, yes, because we were a bubble team who had a hole where Connolly could have possibly fit in. However, the contract he was given was 2 years, and he obviously was not looked at to be a long-term solution to that hole, but rather a stop-gap while we tried to find that permanent long-term #1 guy.

The most damning thing against your argument though, is that you think that Burke would have just kept them on the big club to try and win because he needed to even if they weren't the best players (if you're trying to win to save your ass, you put out the best line-up, which we both agree doesn't include Lombardi and Connolly). Burke has said before that he lets the coach make up the final roster, which means it's up to Carlyle, the guy who was here under Burke and is still here under Nonis. That means if Burke's here and Connolly and Lombardi are in the opening line-up, Carlyle's the guy who made that call.

Also, you said it was silly to defend Burke by saying that he would've made the same moves as Nonis did, and then you went on to bash Burke by saying he wouldn't have done the same moves as Nonis did.

Burke's history, and Nonis is cleaning up his mess, these are the facts, what burke would have done is most likely held a press conference saying the buck stops here, blah blah blah, sound familiar? Nonis is actually improving the team embrace the future.........

 

[IBeL34f]

Burke's history, and Nonis is cleaning up his mess, these are the facts, what burke would have done is most likely held a press conference saying the buck stops here, blah blah blah, sound familiar? Nonis is actually improving the team embrace the future.........

I think my biggest problem with the whole firing, is that people like me were saying these things to you when Burke was in charge, and now that Nonis is running the ship and following the plan that he and Burke had before, we're being told to embrace the future we already have embraced...

This is all off-topic now, and I apologize, but I gotta say that it's frustrating to see all of the people who have been attacking this plan that's been in place for the past 3-4 years start praising the new guy and using Nonis as a way to detract from Burke, the guy who put that plan in place to begin with.

I feel like Jacobim Mugatu watching people use Le Tigre as a way to say Blue Steel sucks...

 

[LeafOfBread]

I would've put the music video, but it probably would've been deleted cause it was a little inappropriate....so happy Connolly is gone though.

 

[Bomber0104]

My point is how Connolly came to be on the current Leaf team is not relevant. The only relevant point is that Nonis put him on waivers.

It is actually entirely relevant.

It led me to deem our GM Dave Nonis as our G.M. (Garbage Man)

Very important to discuss who brought the garbage in, just as much as it is to discuss who is bringing the garbage out.

 

[Syn3rgetic]

Because Connolly was his mistake and Nonis just cleaned it up.

I commend him for that and I am indemnifying Burke for this and a collection of other terrible moves that have driven my favorite sports team into the gutter.

This. So many stop gap signings and just plain terrible signings. (Komi, Army)

 

[rumman]

It is actually entirely relevant.

It led me to deem our GM Dave Nonis as our G.M. (Garbage Man)

Very important to discuss who brought the garbage in, just as much as it is to discuss who is bringing the garbage out.

here here!

 

[Warden of the North]

This is a thread about Tim Connolly's dismissal from the Leafs.

This is not a thread to re-hash Burke's tenure with the Leafs. Keep it on topic.

 

[Toasterman]

The thing to keep in mind for all those applauding this as something Burke would have never done is that players are rarely sent packing without a coach's consent/approval. This is the first time Carlyle has been able to have input into the roster, sans the draft. As small as it is, this is his first camp, as well.

It's most likely Carlyle told the GM these two recently departed guys just weren't going to fit into his system. It's quite possible he'd have said the same to Burke and Burke would have done the same. It's not like Burke never traded away or released anyone he acquired himself before - he actually has.

 

[thewave]

Because Connolly was his mistake and Nonis just cleaned it up.

I commend him for that and I am indemnifying Burke for this and a collection of other terrible moves that have driven my favorite sports team into the gutter.

Connolly was not a mistake, prior to injury he was a pt. a game. He is and has been considered a decent 2nd line C for a while now. He had a chance to pick him up short term and did it. So what if Connolly does not fit Carlyle's system, he does however still fit something more along the lines of Wilson's therefore should have some value.

Now if we can just get rid of Bozak and a couple prospects for a better quality C and G, we may start seeing the playoffs.