Confirmed with Link: Leafs bring back Malgin on a 1 year deal, $750k

[ACC1224]

You argue exactly like dekes projecting fake arguments on your opponent in an attempt to get them off the heart of the subject.

Obviously the entire twelve years isn't the struggles of an expansion team. I don't think that and you don''t think I think that unless you're thick which you clearly are not.

You're just trying to obfuscate my point while ignoring the meat of the argument that 12 years is a long time to wait to win a single playoff series for a franchise gifted through good draft fortune with not 1, not 2 but 3 special young forwards.

As with dekes, I will stop engaging with you as you're clearly a disingenuous actor.

Ding ding

 

[HoweHullOrr]

The new viral argument just dropped: "It took Barry Trotz 12 years to win a playoff round." Notwithstanding that includes a struggling expansion team and not one drafted talent on the level of any of Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner or even William Nylander.

By that metric, when we eventually see a playoff round win John Tavares will be retired, Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner at their career geriatric stage and Keefe will be coaching some place else.

12 years....You won't be calling Seattle an expansion team in 2033 will you? And to point-out, they actually were having really good regular seasons during that time.

No one is stating it'll take Keefe 12 years ....

12 years is a "thing" now? In 12 years (or 9 if you subtract the 3 years Keefe has been here) we'll probably have a different GM, President, coach and players.

I'd really have to wonder what changes will be in store after this season if we pull another 1st round exit. Do we expect Dubas & Shanny to be around if that were to happen?

It seems really tangental (pointless might be the better word) to be talking about 12 years like its somehow connected in a meaningful way to our situation.

 

[NoTeeth]

12 years is a "thing" now? In 12 years (or 9 if you subtract the 3 years Keefe has been here) we'll probably have a different GM, President, coach and players.

I'd really have to wonder what changes will be in store after this season if we pull another 1st round exit. Do we expect Dubas & Shanny to be around if that were to happen?

It seems really tangental (pointless might be the better word) to be talking about 12 years like its somehow connected in a meaningful way to our situation.

All we hear about is rounds won LOL. It's good to look back on how Trotz was doing.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

All we hear about is rounds won LOL. It's good to look back on how Trotz was doing.

Seems like your reply is a deflection. Are you agreeing that talking about 12 years is not really important when talking about our situation?

And winning 0 rounds with all the money we've spent and the good fortune (& timing) we've had at the draft is hardly a "LOL".

 

[ACC1224]

Seem like your reply is a deflection. Are you agreeing that talking about 12 years is not really important when talking about our situation.

And winning 0 rounds with all the money we've spent and the good fortune (& timing) we've had at the draft is hardly a "LOL".

yeah I don't know how any leaf fan can find humour in that

 

[NoTeeth]

Seem like your reply is a deflection. Are you agreeing that talking about 12 years is not really important when talking about our situation.

And winning 0 rounds with all the money we've spent and the good fortune (& timing) we've had at the draft is hardly a "LOL".

My reply is because I am willing to bet the 12 year thing is news to a majority. Dubas' quote was in response to Trotz being mentioned.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

My reply is because I am willing to bet the 12 year thing is news to a majority. Dubas' quote was in response to Trotz being mentioned.

Sure, but its all tangental like I said in my post. Maybe winning an internet argument makes some people feel good, but 12 years is irrelevant given our actual, real, current (and past) situation.

Hopefully we will win multiple playoff rounds this year (one playoff round win is still an underachievement and loser mentality imho), but what do you expect will happen if we don't achieve that goal?

And, the "12 year thing is news to a majority" isn't giving people much credit, another rather odd practice/habit.

 

[NoTeeth]

Sure, but its all tangental like I said in my post. Maybe winning an internet argument makes some people feel good, but 12 years is irrelevant given our actual, real, current (and past) situation.

Hopefully we will win multiple playoff rounds this year (one playoff round win is still and underachievement and loser mentality imho), but what do expect will happen if we don't achieve that goal?

I don't judge teams by winning rounds myself. I think it's odd. No one cared about that until fairly recently. Anyone old enough to recall anyone bragging about 1st rounds wins in the 80's or 90's?

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I don't judge teams by winning rounds myself. I think it's odd. No one cared about that until fairly recently. Anyone old enough to recall anyone bragging about 1st rounds wins in the 80's or 90's?

No one cares about winning multiple playoff rounds and this is a "new thing"? I don't which part of your post is more bizarre (or wrong) unless you somehow meant something different (versus the words you typed).

 

[ACC1224]

I don't judge teams by winning rounds myself. I think it's odd. No one cared about that until fairly recently. Anyone old enough to recall anyone bragging about 1st rounds wins in the 80's or 90's?

No one is looking to brag. Most just want to end the disappointment.

 

[NoTeeth]

No one is looking to brag. Most just want to end the disappointment.

Just growing up, I never heard any hype about if a team advanced past the 1st round. It just feels strange. Hab fans in 92 were humiliated by a sweep in the 2nd round and crapped on Burns so much he quit. Now I see that same fanbase taking great joy in talking about winning a round.

 

[justashadowof]

Here we go again. Now on to the tactic used by that Da Mash sock puppet account with its strategy of mocking fans of the team for wanting to experience playoff round wins. What a massive self-own that line of argumentation is. Who in their right mind thinks it's a good idea to try to shame someone into not wanting to experience playoff series victories? Playoff round wins represent achievement towards a goal. It's highly unusual for any Stanley Cup champion to have never won a playoff round before its successful Cup run.

 

[A1LeafNation]

This isn't a this or that scenario.

Both were available to the Leafs this summer.

 

[NoTeeth]

Here we go again. Now on to the tactic used by that Da Mash sock puppet account with its strategy of mocking fans of the team for wanting to experience playoff round wins. What a massive self-own that line of argumentation is. Who in their right mind thinks it's a good idea to try to shame someone into not wanting to experience playoff series victories? Playoff round wins represent achievement towards a goal. It's highly unusual for any Stanley Cup champion to have never won a playoff round before its successful Cup run.

I just hear hype about it now and no one in any NHL city use to care. That's all. No one is "Shaming" anyone.

 

[justashadowof]

Series wins, Schmeries wins, amirite?

 

[ACC1224]

Just growing up, I never heard any hype about if a team advanced past the 1st round. It just feels strange. Hab fans in 92 were humiliated by a sweep in the 2nd round and crapped on Burns so much he quit. Now I see that same fanbase taking great joy in talking about winning a round.

Don't really care about the Habs, suggest you go to their board and ask about this 'hype' maybe they will know what you're on about.
Your posts are really making very little sense.

 

[NoTeeth]

Series wins, Schmeries wins, amirite?

Sorry to "Shame" people LOL.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Dubas never said that about Keefe. He said he think she can be mentioned among the guys thought of as top coaches now in 15 years.
And can I point out he stated that in regards to Trotz being mentioned? Do you know how many years it took Trotz to win a round? 12 years. Yes, 12 years.

What are you saying the Leafs will be Ok in another 10 years,so not to worry. Seems like an odd take.
And Keefe is a guy

 

[All Mod Cons]

I think people feel the need to protect a guy when people are projecting as much as you are. He "comes off as arrogant" does he? Don't mistake confidence and intelligence with arrogance, and don't hate it or fear it so much.

Nah. He comes across as arrogant. He's definitely reeled it in a bit recently. Certainly not as smug as when he first started the job

 

[conFABulator]

It's wonderful to see he's so confident with his playoff record. Look at what he inherited and then tell me you're ok with not having won a single round.

You would be happier if the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs appeared less confident? Can you explain the benefit of this approach?

Confident and arrogant are not synonyms. Not even close. You seem to have backed off a baseless assertion that he is arrogant and now have an issue with his confidence level?

We want him being very confident until he get fired or a cup. How can you possibly use confidence as a drawback for this role?

 

[andora]

I think the confidence vs arrogant debate is a little misguided. I am sure we can all appreciate the fact that when he does go in front of the camera he does need to put on a face and speak a voice that at the end of the day is neutral and positive at the same time.

I believe that by this point people would be a little bit more satisfied if he perhaps showed a bit more emotion, very lightly in the vein of slightly annoyed but at the very least discontented. Something subtle but visible that sends a clear message to all the white noise to shut up, I'm pissed off too, we need to fix this, and I'm going to fix this.

You can mix in confidence in an approach like this. Now disclaimer I don't watch a lot of the interviews or press conferences because generally they are all fluff. So maybe he is showing these but obviously not to the point that I've heard people mention it or the brief things I watch like that leaf radio thing or Snips on Sportsnet or TSN are talking about it.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Sure, but its all tangental like I said in my post. Maybe winning an internet argument makes some people feel good, but 12 years is irrelevant given our actual, real, current (and past) situation.

Hopefully we will win multiple playoff rounds this year (one playoff round win is still an underachievement and loser mentality imho), but what do you expect will happen if we don't achieve that goal?

And, the "12 year thing is news to a majority" isn't giving people much credit, another rather odd practice/habit.

The 12 year thing is not new, it was discussed when he said it, and got chirped then as well.
Also agree with post.

 

[justashadowof]

You would be happier if the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs appeared less confident? Can you explain the benefit of this approach?

Confident and arrogant are not synonyms. Not even close. You seem to have backed off a baseless assertion that he is arrogant and now have an issue with his confidence level?

We want him being very confident until he get fired or a cup. How can you possibly use confidence as a drawback for this role?

I can answer this. Happier? No. I'd prefer that I didn't notice it one way or another. That would be a sign that we have stable mature leadership in place. A lot of performative confidence can turn out to just be affected. A sign that is the case is the actions rather than the words of that person. For example circling back to a moment of error and re-investing back into it to prove you were always right in the first place (topical to this thread). Another example would be a rush to bring in one of your self-perceived draft wins rather than waiting for an organic time to introduce the draft pick to a taste of NHL hockey. A further example would be to make your boldest pronouncement, have your plans go awry on repeat but never consider re-visiting that bold pronouncement.

 

[Menzinger]

As a reminder this thread is about Malgin

 

[conFABulator]

I can answer this. Happier? No. I'd prefer that I didn't notice it one way or another. That would be a sign that we have stable mature leadership in place. A lot of performative confidence can turn out to just be affected. A sign that is the case is the actions rather than the words of that person. For example circling back to a moment of error and re-investing back into it to prove you were always right in the first place (topical to this thread). Another example would be a rush to bring in one of your self-perceived draft wins rather than waiting for an organic time to introduce the draft pick to a taste of NHL hockey. A further example would be to make your boldest pronouncement, have your plans go awry on repeat but never consider re-visiting that bold pronouncement.

Yeah, it seems we go back to projecting again.

Your example given is based on your opinion that Malgin was only signed this off-season so Dubas' trading of Marchment looks better. Why did he sign European "projects" that weren't traded for Marchment every other off-season? What if Malgin is terrible at camp? Doesn't make the team? How does this help him make the trade look better?

He made a mistake signing Ritchie and Mrazek, he attached assets to dump each of them. Aren't these examples of the opposite of what you are describing as his behaviour?

Is your draft pick example Abruzzese? Really? Quite often college players are enticed to sign by being promised NHL time...it is a perk and often helps their playtime clock start ticking faster, it can burn a year of control. It happens all the time.

Your examples are weaker than your original premise. Is he arrogant, confident or does he just make moves you don't like?

Malgin is the ultimate low-risk, high-reward off-season signing. It's a longshot but it has nothing to do with Marchment, we have literally made similar moves every off-season.