Proposal: Leafs-Blues

[cyris]

Maybe? If lame duck Dubas is fired, there will be changes. Matthews and Nylander will be up for contracts. Seems obvious time to rethink how things have been working.

No team with Austin Matthews in his prime is entering a rebuild.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

No team with Austin Matthews in his prime is entering a rebuild.

He's only guaranteed there for another year and cant fix the G and D

 

[cyris]

He's only guaranteed there for another year and cant fix the G and D

We have a goalie with a .920 s% and are top 10 in most defensive stats. There is always room for improvement but why do we need him to fix those things?
And if we only have him for 1 more year like some of you think shouldn’t we do everything we can to win while we do?

 

[EK392000]

I feel like the OP is pretty close to landing Parayko + ROR with that package.

I'm not against this as a Leafs fan but I have two causes for concern:

1. The term on the Parayko contract is too long. 6.5 is a reasonable number for him but I don't want to see that become an anchor for the team in four ish years.

2. Can we really afford to bet big considering the goaltending tandem we have?

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

sold.

you know Parayko has 8 more seasons at $6.5M, right?

That's the exact deal Armstrong should be looking for - one that includes a future first rounder from a team that could also very quickly fall off the cliff.

if the second pick was 2029 then I would say you are looking at a cliff the Leafs could fall off of.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

I feel like the OP is pretty close to landing Parayko + ROR with that package.

I'm not against this as a Leafs fan but I have two causes for concern:

1. The term on the Parayko contract is too long. 6.5 is a reasonable number for him but I don't want to see that become an anchor for the team in four ish years.

2. Can we really afford to bet big considering the goaltending tandem we have?

6.5 million over 8 years with the cap potentially going up 13.5 in 2 years is not that big off a nut. Next 5 years the Leafs should be a top 3 contender team.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

We have a goalie with a .920 s% and are top 10 in most defensive stats. There is always room for improvement but why do we need him to fix those things?
And if we only have him for 1 more year like some of you think shouldn’t we do everything we can to win while we do?

Regression? Because its been 10 games and the G isnt close to that in career stats? The defense has same deficiencies as usual without Muzzin? If FO no longer believes in the Dubas plan, why would they go all in? They still have great pieces that can be used to improve by new GM

 

[cyris]

Regression? Because its been 10 games and the G isnt close to that in career stats? The defense has same deficiencies as usual without Muzzin? If FO no longer believes in the Dubas plan, why would they go all in? They still have great pieces that can be used to improve by new GM

The defence had similar stats last year and we will see about the goaltending.
Ownership may be questioning Dubas’s plan but if they had completely given up on it they would have fired him it’s not like they care about the money. They aren’t going to throw away a year either.

 

[Jerkbait]

If the Blues don't look to be making the playoffs is it possible Parayko is moved ? Under this premise I present the following offer.

To
Blues
2023 1st
2024 1st
Niemela
2nd 2024
Kerfoot

To
Leafs
Parayko
Barbeshev

Leafs upgrade their defense considerably and add a solid forward who can contribute. Blues get lots of picks, a very good RD prospect and can trade kerfoot at the deadline for a couple 3rds.

Leafs agree....

 

[Spektre]

You know this is bad by Blues fans response. They are like yes please take this contract when 2 years ago these threads devolved into "There is 1 player on Toronto who gets him".

I'm not even sold that the Leafs should be targeting D, I personally think they should target another top 6 forward.

In a perfect world I’m sure most Blues fans would want to keep Parayko. If Army decides to blow up the roster and the return makes sense then it works for both sides.

I would be ok with the OP’s offer. Maybe it seems like an overpayment from your perspective but Parayko has 8 years left. This isn’t close to a rental deal.

 

[HockeyVirus]

In a perfect world I’m sure most Blues fans would want to keep Parayko. If Army decides to blow up the roster and the return makes sense then it works for both sides.

I would be ok with the OP’s offer. Maybe it seems like an overpayment from your perspective but Parayko has 8 years left. This isn’t close to a rental deal.

The thing is 8 years left isn't a good thing for someone turning 30 this year. And given he is already struggling, this is a massive risk to take on.

 

[McJedi]

If the Blues don't look to be making the playoffs is it possible Parayko is moved ? Under this premise I present the following offer.

To
Blues
2023 1st
2024 1st
Niemela
2nd 2024
Kerfoot

To
Leafs
Parayko
Barbeshev

Leafs upgrade their defense considerably and add a solid forward who can contribute. Blues get lots of picks, a very good RD prospect and can trade kerfoot at the deadline for a couple 3rds.

St Louis says yes. Quickly.

 

[Spektre]

The thing is 8 years left isn't a good thing for someone turning 30 this year. And given he is already struggling, this is a massive risk to take on.

We’ll see what happens. If I’m betting money right now I would bet Parayko won’t be shopped. That’s just my opinion though so meh

 

[EK392000]

What caliber of dman is Parayko anyway? Judging by this offer, I'd guess something close to Weegar/Lindholm? Or is he better/worse?

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

If the Blues don't look to be making the playoffs is it possible Parayko is moved ? Under this premise I present the following offer.

To
Blues
2023 1st
2024 1st
Niemela
2nd 2024
Kerfoot

To
Leafs
Parayko
Barbeshev

Leafs upgrade their defense considerably and add a solid forward who can contribute. Blues get lots of picks, a very good RD prospect and can trade kerfoot at the deadline for a couple 3rds.

It’s not awful, but late 1sts and small D don’t excite me. I’d like to see what else is out there. Feel like someone else can top that.

 

[Leaf4Life79]

Only one problem... Leafs don't have the cap to take on his contract, otherwise it would be a yes from me.

 

[Cor]

This is a horrific overpay.

 

[lukeleim]

St. Louis Blues
2024 1st first round pick (TOR)
Topi Niemelä
Nick Abruzzese
Calle Järnkrok
Justin Holl

Toronto Maple Leafs
Colton Parayko
Ivan Barbeshev ($1.125 retained - 50%)

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

St. Louis Blues
2024 1st first round pick (TOR)
Topi Niemelä
Nick Abruzzese
Calle Järnkrok
Justin Holl

Toronto Maple Leafs
Colton Parayko
Ivan Barbeshev ($1.125 retained - 50%)

Pass. .

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Parayko would be a great fit on the Leafs, I think. Niemela, two 1sts and a 2nd is too steep a price for Toronto to pay though IMO, even if some think it's fair value. It's basically a 'going all in for a cup now' move, but we aren't even sure if we have a legit goalie right now, and if we do, they aren't signed with term for a multi-year run at the cup.

 

[BleedBlue14]

What caliber of dman is Parayko anyway? Judging by this offer, I'd guess something close to Weegar/Lindholm? Or is he better/worse?

Pretty similar in that ilk. His expectations here were put higher than he could achieve once Pietrangelo left. Top pair guy, not an alpha. He is struggling a bit this year. But given the whole rest of the defense is struggling it’s hard to tell if it’s a personnel thing or a system thing.

St. Louis Blues
2024 1st first round pick (TOR)
Topi Niemelä
Nick Abruzzese
Calle Järnkrok
Justin Holl

Toronto Maple Leafs
Colton Parayko
Ivan Barbeshev ($1.125 retained - 50%)

Not sure this accomplishes much. Seems more like a rental price for Parayko alone.

If they do move Parayko high chance the team crumbles and ROR and Tarasenko are also shipped. Wasting the retention slot on this deal is a big issue. Another issue is the term on Jarnkrok. It’s not a huge issue but the deal in general doesn’t seem like it’s worth moving Parayko in.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

St. Louis Blues
2024 1st first round pick (TOR)
Topi Niemelä
Nick Abruzzese
Calle Järnkrok
Justin Holl

Toronto Maple Leafs
Colton Parayko
Ivan Barbeshev ($1.125 retained - 50%)

If I'm Toronto, I'm trying to keep Järnkrok and give up Engvall instead, even if I have to add a pick. This deal seems a bit too good for Toronto. Maybe remove Järnkrok, add Engvall, and add another 1st or 2nd. Toronto should insist on it being 2nd not a 1st, Blues should be demanding it's a 1st.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Only one problem... Leafs don't have the cap to take on his contract, otherwise it would be a yes from me.

Yes they do. Muzzin is done in the NHL so his 5.6 can be used to replace a player. So they would need 900k which Sandin going out covers.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Bring ROR home

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Swap Kerfoot with Muzzin and I jump on this offer