Proposal: Leafs-Blues

[Big Muddy]

Big no thank you on trading Parayko. Very little chance be organization goes into a full blown scorched earth rebuild right now IMO, and you don’t trade a guy like Parayko unless that is the plan.

Yes, this thread seems like its hypothetical or fantasy in nature.

Recent comments from GM Armstrong doesn't leave an impression that the Blues will be embarking on a rebuild.

 

[Big Muddy]

We have a goalie with a .920 s% and are top 10 in most defensive stats. There is always room for improvement but why do we need him to fix those things?
And if we only have him for 1 more year like some of you think shouldn’t we do everything we can to win while we do?

All of this seems tangental or without purpose if the Blues are not thinking of moving Parayko or rebuilding, no? That's the actual relevant subject to discuss rather than the per usual, senseless quibbling.

 

[Jerkbait]

St Louis says yes. Quickly.

And leafs happily agree....deal done ...

 

[The Podium]

While the Leafs need the exact player Parayko was, he is showing signs of slowing down and is approaching the wrong side of 30. Can he still be that player? Probably, but by the end of his current deal he likely isn’t and that is a lot of risk to take.

The amount it would cost to get Parayko isn’t worth the risk IMO, and I’d try to target more of a middle pairing guy of the same ilk for cheaper, or target younger for slightly more.

 

[boompuffboom]

S T O P throwing away 1st round picks.

 

[BlueTacos]

St. Louis Blues
2024 1st first round pick (TOR)
Topi Niemelä
Nick Abruzzese
Calle Järnkrok
Justin Holl

Toronto Maple Leafs
Colton Parayko
Ivan Barbeshev ($1.125 retained - 50%)

Lol this is a solid gfys offer

 

[Matthews4Calder]

Pass for the Leafs. Overpayment. We don't need to keep giving away our firsts especially 2 of them and prospects.

 

[McJedi]

And leafs happily agree....deal done ...

Parayko isn’t as good as you think he is. Go look into his underlying stats. They are troubling.

 

[stl76]

Parayko isn’t as good as you think he is. Go look into his underlying stats. They are troubling.

Lol weren’t you loudly declaring Tarasenko would cost assets to move?

Go look at Parayko’s usage. He eats some of the toughest minutes of any dman in the entire NHL. Seriously, his usage is absurd and provides vital context when analyzing his advanced stats. Parayko plays big minutes on the PK and 5v5 against top quality of competition with dramatically slanted zone starts.

He is an absolute beast and there is very little chance he will be traded.

 

[AvroArrow]

I like Parayko but huge over payment

Niemela is essentially a mid 1st, given how he's progressed.

I'd consider 1st + Niemela + 2nd + Holl (Cap dump). Parayko has a very long contract but a good player

Leafs cannot or should not trade the 2024 pick.

 

[PromisedLand]

Oh hell NO!

Unless Matthews, Marner and Nylander are under contract for at least the next 6 years no way am I throwing away 1st round picks. NO FREAKIN' WAY!!!

 

[McJedi]

Lol weren’t you loudly declaring Tarasenko would cost assets to move?

Go look at Parayko’s usage. He eats some of the toughest minutes of any dman in the entire NHL. Seriously, his usage is absurd and provides vital context when analyzing his advanced stats. Parayko plays big minutes on the PK and 5v5 against top quality of competition with dramatically slanted zone starts.

He is an absolute beast and there is very little chance he will be traded.

Might have missed that window to trade tarasenko again. His value is big down. But he gave the Blues a great 21-22 season.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

For Parayko I’d offer:

Sandin
2023 1st
Justin Holl
Prospect (other than Knies, Minten, Niemela) or a later year 2nd rounder.

Muzzin to retire.

 

[tfriede2]

Might have missed that window to trade tarasenko again. His value is big down. But he gave the Blues a great 21-22 season.

Tarasenko is one of the few Blues who looks good this year. His value is not down.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Muzzins cap hit would be going their way

 

[Jerkbait]

Parayko isn’t as good as you think he is. Go look into his underlying stats. They are troubling.

I didn't say he was makar. Regardless he is a vast improvement. Sometimes those numbers are skewed by a bad team or even a bad D partner

 

[BlueBaron]

Maybe? If lame duck Dubas is fired, there will be changes. Matthews and Nylander will be up for contracts. Seems obvious time to rethink how things have been working.

No that isn't what's obvious here. Your agenda is.

You are embarrassing yourself.

 

[Fogelhund]

Lol weren’t you loudly declaring Tarasenko would cost assets to move?

Go look at Parayko’s usage. He eats some of the toughest minutes of any dman in the entire NHL. Seriously, his usage is absurd and provides vital context when analyzing his advanced stats. Parayko plays big minutes on the PK and 5v5 against top quality of competition with dramatically slanted zone starts.

He is an absolute beast and there is very little chance he will be traded.

Parayko was a beast. Back injuries can be a terrible thing, and one of the reasons we are looking to replace Muzzin.

With the back injuries, Parayko isn’t the beast he once was, and to trade for him given not only the decline in current play, but the risk he gets worse or retires is problematic.

Maybe he returns to form, and that’s great, but at nearly 30, and the toll physical hockey takes, that isn’t a risk the Leafs should be taking. To give up that kind of assets, the target should be healthier, and ideally younger.

I understand your hesitancy to give up a player who has been beastly for your org, but if someone offers you a pile of asset for a player in decline.. run with it.

 

[Sparksrus3]

And the beat goes on the beat goes on the beat goes on on..

 

[13pacheco31]

While the Leafs need the exact player Parayko was, he is showing signs of slowing down and is approaching the wrong side of 30. Can he still be that player? Probably, but by the end of his current deal he likely isn’t and that is a lot of risk to take.

The amount it would cost to get Parayko isn’t worth the risk IMO, and I’d try to target more of a middle pairing guy of the same ilk for cheaper, or target younger for slightly more.

Wrong side of 30? He's 29 lol. Anyway, I feel like someone like Connor Murphy would be a better fit for the Leafs (similar age, lower cap hit, shorter term).

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Anyway, I feel like someone like Connor Murphy would be a better fit for the Leafs (similar age, lower cap hit, shorter term).

Agreed.

My current dream scenario is bringing in ROR and Murphy, but I don't think Dubas will have the greenlight to spend that kind of draft and prospect capital (multiple 1sts, likely).

 

[The Podium]

Wrong side of 30? He's 29 lol. Anyway, I feel like someone like Connor Murphy would be a better fit for the Leafs (similar age, lower cap hit, shorter term).

I said approaching the wrong side of 30. He’s 30 in a few months and is signed until 37

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Muzzins cap hit would be going their way

It will cost the Leafs a significant sweetener to dump Muzzin's contract the other way.

I said approaching the wrong side of 30. He’s 30 in a few months and is signed until 37

I guess Morgan Reilly is approaching the wrong side of 30.

 

[13pacheco31]

I said approaching the wrong side of 30. He’s 30 in a few months and is signed until 37

Typically when someone says wrong side of thirty, they mean 35+ which he will be by the end of his contract but not approaching it

Agreed.

My current dream scenario is bringing in ROR and Murphy, but I don't think Dubas will have the greenlight to spend that kind of draft and prospect capital (multiple 1sts, likely).

Bertuzzi would be a nice alternative to ROR as well

 

[BleedBlue14]

Parayko was a beast. Back injuries can be a terrible thing, and one of the reasons we are looking to replace Muzzin.

With the back injuries, Parayko isn’t the beast he once was, and to trade for him given not only the decline in current play, but the risk he gets worse or retires is problematic.

Maybe he returns to form, and that’s great, but at nearly 30, and the toll physical hockey takes, that isn’t a risk the Leafs should be taking. To give up that kind of assets, the target should be healthier, and ideally younger.

I understand your hesitancy to give up a player who has been beastly for your org, but if someone offers you a pile of asset for a player in decline.. run with it.

This is an odd statement. Parayko has had a back injury in which he was out for a while back in 21 I believe. He hasn’t really missed games since returning and is fairly durable.

He also isn’t an overly physical defender. That’s most of the knock a lot of Blues fans have on him. Everybody wants him to be Chris Pronger due to frame and mobility. But he never will be, he plays a much more suffocating stick game as opposed to physical game.