Proposal: Leafs Big contract move

[dj Mahoney]

So... any teams out there want to acquire Tavares?

You must:
-be a cup contender to make him waive his NMC
-have 11mil in cap space, so no cap dumps going back
-be willing to part with blue chip prospect(s) and 1st round pick(s)
-be OK with paying 11mil to a rather 1 dimensional player through his mid 30s

Let the bidding begin!!!

A 7th rd pick in 2024

 

[Willy Stylez]

What is failure though?

Missing playoffs is a failure for example, but to be real they need to go longer then first round exit.

 

[Weezeric]

Where are you getting your numbers from?

Tavares was 33-45-78 at EV over the last 2 seasons.

Danault, while he had slightly better numbers in 2019-2020, was 17-55-72 at EV for the same period.

Natural stat trick has Tavares at 29 points 5v5 for 19-20 instead of 39. Weird error.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

 

[mydnyte]

and Danault, he of a career high 53 points and 13 goals is getting younger?
...so, i looked up your claim over the last 2 seasons.
PD
19/20 71 games, 12 goals, 31 assists, 43 points (47 points overall)
20/21 53 games, 5 goals, 18 assists, 23 points (24 points overall)
TOTAL 124 games, 17 goals, 49 assists, 66 points (71 points overall)
JT
19/20 63 games, 19 goals, 20 assists, 39 points (60points overall)
20/21 56 games, 13 goals, 25 assists, 38 points (50 points overall)
TOTAL 119 games, 32 goals, 45 assists, 77 points (110 points overall)

I dont understand the new math they teach in school these days with all the pictures, and switching everything into multiples of 10, so, i use old school math, and my math proves that JT did not get outscored by PD over the last 2 seasons, and that they are both getting older.
...Danault is only 2 years younger than JT, its not like he's going to mature into anything but what he already is, a shutdown center with limited offense.

I had posted Even Strength stats, so, thats my bad...
here are the 5vs5 stats
PD
19/20 71 games, 11 goals, 30 assists, 41 points (47 points overall)
20/21 53 games, 4 goals, 17 assists, 21 points (24 points overall)
TOTAL 124 games, 15 goals, 47 assists, 62 points (71 points overall)
JT
19/20 63 games, 13 goals, 16 assists, 29 points (60points overall)
20/21 56 games, 11 goals, 19 assists, 30 points (50 points overall)
TOTAL 119 games, 24 goals, 35 assists, 59 points (110 points overall) .4957 ppg

So, i stand corrected ...PD out 'pointed' JT 5 on 5 (only) in 19/20 and 20/21 if you combine both seasons totals, or more honestly, only (and ever) in 19/20 at 5vs5 only
...though JT out 'scored' PD 24 to 15 5vs5 over that same period and also in 19/20.

 

[jfhabs]

Where are you getting your numbers from?

Tavares was 33-45-78 at EV over the last 2 seasons.

Danault, while he had slightly better numbers in 2019-2020, was 17-55-72 at EV for the same period.

Double the goals for Tavares. Danault was benifiting from playing with two good scorers in Gallagher and Tatar. Sure he was a good two way center, but most of the offense came from these 2.
As for Tavares, I don't think he'll bring anywhere close to the return some leafs fans are thinking. His contract eliminates most teams who would want to acquire him, specially considering the flat cap and the Leafs not wanting to receive dumps. Also, he has a NVM which means he basically decides where he's going. Looking at Taylor Hall just recently, you can expect very little coming back.

 

[shortfuze]

Yea but the leafs window is closing if it isn’t already closed where as Winnipeg and NJs windows are just opening

why is their window closing? they have all their core players signed except 1 (rielly) who they still have a chance of re-signing.

 

[NMacrules]

Well it’s not proven - obviously it’s just my opinion as is yours that their window is still open.

The problem with the leafs is Dubas. He screwed that team into the ground when the agents bent him over. He was a kid up against seasoned agents. No one on that team deserves more than 9 million. Maybe Matthews at 9.5. But remember, the team has not proven anything to anyone other than they are the biggest choke artists ever. Here is how it works. The players prove themselves and then get the money. Dubas gave them the money expecting the players to prove themselves. They make no money in the playoffs. So these greedy sucks dont care about the playoffs. They only care about their paychecks and making their bonuses during regular season.

The management would be wise to sell off everyone and start over. Get in a seasoned GM and get a coach who is not a pansy. Then with the ton of 1st and 2nd round pics, draft right.
Matthews is starting to get a reputation of being made of glass. Marner is a figure skater that turns into a coward when playoffs come. The JT injury was a fluke but I would think if he was healthy, Montreal would not have won.

Yes, these are our opinions, but did I say anything you don't agree with?

 

[Pyrophorus]

The problem with the leafs is Dubas. He screwed that team into the ground when the agents bent him over. He was a kid up against seasoned agents. No one on that team deserves more than 9 million. Maybe Matthews at 9.5. But remember, the team has not proven anything to anyone other than they are the biggest choke artists ever. Here is how it works. The players prove themselves and then get the money. Dubas gave them the money expecting the players to prove themselves. They make no money in the playoffs. So these greedy sucks dont care about the playoffs. They only care about their paychecks and making their bonuses during regular season.

The management would be wise to sell off everyone and start over. Get in a seasoned GM and get a coach who is not a pansy. Then with the ton of 1st and 2nd round pics, draft right.
Matthews is starting to get a reputation of being made of glass. Marner is a figure skater that turns into a coward when playoffs come. The JT injury was a fluke but I would think if he was healthy, Montreal would not have won.

Yes, these are our opinions, but did I say anything you don't agree with?

According to Dom Lu..., the Leafs are the 2nd best in contracts overall.
What do you know about Keefe? How is he a pansy?
Matthews hasn't really missed too many games, in the past 3 seasons, is that glass?
I can't speak for Marner, but he still is able to dish passes in the playoffs.

Lots of conjecture in this post.

 

[Joe Scaduto]

Leafs will never win the cup .They had a chance to go for it when Matthews , Marner and Nylander wete all entry level contracts .They should of spent the cap space they had on the back end to improve their defence and go all in 2015.They did not and now the window has closed cuz of cap hell.

 

[topshelf15]

Iam calling Muzzin to be moved ,then they resign Reilly

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Are you sure your tongue-in-cheek comment will be understood as such?

Mid-April is a bit early for an outside pool. So I understand why you don't wish to simply miss the playoffs.

Let's not confuse the issue with facts

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Leafs will never win the cup .They had a chance to go for it when Matthews , Marner and Nylander wete all entry level contracts .They should of spent the cap space they had on the back end to improve their defence and go all in 2015.They did not and now the window has closed cuz of cap hell.

You mean again, right?

Right?

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

What is failure though?

I guess we'll agree to disagree, I don't see them declining.

It's not so much them declining (I don't see them doing that in the short term) but not having the elbow room to add something significant to get out of the ruts of failure in which they are and have been.

 

[jcs0218]

The original post says:

Campbell ($2.5-3 mil)

Let me just say that if Campbell is only worth that much in a year, then the Maple Leafs are in serious trouble this coming season.

They are counting on Campbell to be their starting goaltender. Nevermind Mrazek, as he has shown to be a bit of a sieve at times.

If Campbell is your 1A and he is only worth $2.5-$3.0 after this year, then that means Toronto has gotten some awful goaltending in 2021-22.

The best hope Toronto has of doing anything this coming season is if Campbell plays like a goaltender worth $5.5-$6.0 million per season.

He can't be performing at a $2.5-$3.0 million level, or else the Maple Leafs will be in trouble.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

You mean again, right?

Right?

He wrote "will", n'est-ce pas?

 

[jcs0218]

Leafs are doomed!

 

[Leaf Fans]

He wrote "will", n'est-ce pas?

He did write that the will never win the Cup , but the other poster suggested the the word again should be added as the Leafs have won 13 Cups- the last being back in 1967. We have are currently have the unenviable longest Cup drought.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Missing playoffs is a failure for example, but to be real they need to go longer then first round exit.

At the very least they need to make it to the 3rd round.

 

[Sparksrus3]

At the very least they need to make it to the 3rd round.

Nah . If they made the second round there would be a parade

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

It would be a shame if the vuy with the full No Move Clause said no

 

[The Real JT]

Many of us Islander fans think part of the reason JT left is his wife/then fiancee did not like the NY Metro area and wanted to practice her profession in Canada. Newark, New Jersey is even a worse location than Long Island to a person who thinks that.

There's always Elizabeth, New Jersey if she doesn't care for Newark.

 

[Boondock]

John Tavares is 30 years old. His contract ends when he is 34, a few months before his 35th birthday.

To date, he has been paid 52.24 out of the 77m in his contract. He is owed an average of 6.19m over the rest of his four years. After playing this year for the Leafs, he will be owed 7.95m per year for the final full three years.

John Tavares is still a #1C in the NHL and a good one at that. It is very funny reading about how it would take cap dumps coming back to get rid of him. Unfortunately for you guys, our cap situation does not actually mean that we're going to be handing out a #1C for scraps to some other team.

Our cap situation may be whack, but we're not going to get rid of an All-Star player for cheap.

Teams that have owners with financial troubles are the only teams that benefit from having JT's bonuses paid out already. So unless you are trading Tavares to Ottawa or Phoenix - cap hit is still the most important number to most teams.

 

[Boondock]

Auston Matthews Will not be traded at all.

William Nylander was our best forward in the playoffs and one of the most consistant regular season. His contract is the most affordable and its the best contract out of our big players. Nylander is a no go

John Tavares has a No move , Why would he waive he chose to join the leafs. His contract makes him pretty close to a cap dump. Not alot of teams can afford a 11 Mill 30 year old center . If he choses to get traded expect a very under whelming return


Mitch Marner is the only player that make sense to trade hes young his contract is about 2 millish over paid but still manageable for a team .

On a plus note.

cap is going up 1-1.5 M next year and kessles contract is expired so the Retention is coming off the books .

the leafs will have 2.7M more in cap space next year

Where did you hear this? The last thing I remember reading was that the cap was going to stay flat for 2 more years.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Where did you hear this? The last thing I remember reading was that the cap was going to stay flat for 2 more years.

Frank Saravalli made the claim
The NHL’s salary cap is projected to rise to $82.5 million for the 2022-23 season

 

[Blaine8797]

The Leafs are going to be in CAP trouble for the next few years. They need to resign Rielly ($7-8 mil per year), Campbell ($2.5-3 mil), and fill out a roster that looks like more than spare parts outside the top 6 (could even say top 4) and top 3 D. The Leafs have also been trading away almost every draft pick we own.

The Leafs could use an upgrade on Def, restock picks and retool the lineup so it is not just stop the Top 4.

The Leafs should trade one of the big 3 contracts Matthews, Marner, or Tavares. In my opinion Tavares would be the one leaving the core group. This would give the Leafs the opportunity to spread the money out and the opportunity to dangle the "C" for Matthews to re-sign longer with a lower CAP hit once the current contract is up in 23-24.

Assuming Tavares waivers his no move.

To Toronto:
Miles Wood
Damon Severson
1st

To NJ:
John Tavares
Ilya Mikheyev

Or

To Toronto:
Neal Pionk
Cole Perfetti

To Jets:
John Tavares

Disgruntled Leaf fan floating ideas.

I’m sorry but in my opinion I don’t think anyone gives up a lot of assets to take an 11m just under ppg player, he hasn’t lived to his contract the last two seasons the season prior with 47 goals someone would take that but the last two seasons just haven’t been there for him