Proposal: Leafs Big contract move

[Pyrophorus]

This core has proven they are not good enough. How much more proof do you need?

It doesn't help that there are a bunch of teams better than Toronto as well.

Maybe the same amount of proof when you lost 4/9 series.
Took some teams a long time, like the Caps too.

 

[FerrisRox]

We have enough.

You believe this current Leafs lineup has enough grit and toughness?

Who do you believe, beyond Jake Muzzin and to a much lesser extent Wayne Simmonds, is bringing grit and toughness?

 

[Hoglander]

So... any teams out there want to acquire Tavares?

You must:
-be a cup contender to make him waive his NMC
-have 11mil in cap space, so no cap dumps going back
-be willing to part with blue chip prospect(s) and 1st round pick(s)
-be OK with paying 11mil to a rather 1 dimensional player through his mid 30s

Let the bidding begin!!!

 

[Pyrophorus]

You believe this current Leafs lineup has enough grit and toughness?

Who do you believe, beyond Jake Muzzin and to a much lesser extent Wayne Simmonds, is bringing grit and toughness?

Ritchie, Gabriel, Bunting

 

[T_Cage]

If you move any of the 4, you move Marner, both in terms of the value you get for him and he’s the one holding us back by being a ghost in the playoffs

 

[NewEraGM]

So you somehow think JT will waive his NTC to go to Winnipeg or New Jersey?
Let me break this down for you. Part of signing in Toronto his agent demanded a complete NTC be in the contract. JT has his family in Toronto. The Leafs are his favourite team.
He has a family of his own now. Is NJ his favourite team? Nope. Does he have family in NJ? Nope. How about the same questions in Winnipeg? Nope and nope.

Yea but the leafs window is closing if it isn’t already closed where as Winnipeg and NJs windows are just opening

 

[NewEraGM]

Not spinning anything. The Leafs cap dollars needs more balanced distribution to the dcore.
One of the 4 forwards will need to be traded to bolster the dcorp. That’s the reality of the situation.

Easier said than done. No one is trading for Marner or a soon to be declining Tavares for 11M unless A) toronto eats salary which defeats the purpose or B) leafs lose the trade and take back a far lesser player

 

[CalvertsaBeast]

Kessel 1.2 mil off the cap pays for Rielly increase.

Kerfoot 3.5 off the cap pays for Campbell increase.

So they can easily keep the status quo if they want....

So first round exits are all Leaf fans want?

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Ritchie, Gabriel, Bunting

Yep, the legendary Kurtis Gabriel, with his 49 games across 4 seasons, with an average icetime of 6:51.

Bunting? 14 PIM in 26 games in the NHL. Even in the minors, he averages less than than 1 PIM per game.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Easier said than done. No one is trading for Marner or a soon to be declining Tavares for 11M unless A) toronto eats salary which defeats the purpose or B) leafs lose the trade and take back a far lesser player

Marner is due something like 6mil a year in actual cash after we pay his bonus, just under 5 if we wait until the off-season before his NTC. Small market teams would line up to rent him for a year at 850k and flip him with retention.

 

[NewEraGM]

Marner is due something like 6mil a year in actual cash after we pay his bonus, just under 5 if we wait until the off-season before his NTC. Small market teams would line up to rent him for a year at 850k and flip him with retention.

No they wouldn’t lol. No one is doing toronto (or any other team) a favour. Leaf fans need to understand this lol.
Also second of all, your numbers are incorrect. It’s closer to 7M in signing bonus plus 750k in salary per year.
Also Carey price has very similar contract structure in terms of how much is paid in bonuses versus annual salary. Also similar in terms of how many real dollars versus cap hit. (Real dollars are a lot less than cap hit) funny how I’ve never heard anything positive about Carey’s contract but somehow Marners is great. Tavares and Marner contracts are anchors especially if they can’t figure out the playoffs. I’d feel better about Matthews and nylander contracts

 

[TheGroceryStick]

So first round exits are all Leaf fans want?

Damn right. We love it. Gets our summer goin early; while you's are watching 'swatpuck', we're drinking umbrella drinks next to the pool.

 

[NMacrules]

Yea but the leafs window is closing if it isn’t already closed where as Winnipeg and NJs windows are just opening

And that is proven where? Where is the link? And how will that impact JT and his complete NTC.

 

[Weezeric]

ironic, since Tavares would be the #1C on almost 2/3rds of the teams in the NHL.
He's still easily in the top 10-15 range

John Tavares was outscored by Phillip Danault at 5v5 over the last two seasons and is only getting older..

 

[mydnyte]

John Tavares was outscored by Phillip Danault at 5v5 over the last two seasons and is only getting older..

and Danault, he of a career high 53 points and 13 goals is getting younger?
...so, i looked up your claim over the last 2 seasons.
PD
19/20 71 games, 12 goals, 31 assists, 43 points (47 points overall)
20/21 53 games, 5 goals, 18 assists, 23 points (24 points overall)
TOTAL 124 games, 17 goals, 49 assists, 66 points (71 points overall)
JT
19/20 63 games, 19 goals, 20 assists, 39 points (60points overall)
20/21 56 games, 13 goals, 25 assists, 38 points (50 points overall)
TOTAL 119 games, 32 goals, 45 assists, 77 points (110 points overall)

I dont understand the new math they teach in school these days with all the pictures, and switching everything into multiples of 10, so, i use old school math, and my math proves that JT did not get outscored by PD over the last 2 seasons, and that they are both getting older.
...Danault is only 2 years younger than JT, its not like he's going to mature into anything but what he already is, a shutdown center with limited offense.

 

[Willy Stylez]

No they wouldn’t lol. No one is doing toronto (or any other team) a favour. Leaf fans need to understand this lol.
Also second of all, your numbers are incorrect. It’s closer to 7M in signing bonus plus 750k in salary per year.
Also Carey price has very similar contract structure in terms of how much is paid in bonuses versus annual salary. Also similar in terms of how many real dollars versus cap hit. (Real dollars are a lot less than cap hit) funny how I’ve never heard anything positive about Carey’s contract but somehow Marners is great. Tavares and Marner contracts are anchors especially if they can’t figure out the playoffs. I’d feel better about Matthews and nylander contracts

The numbers he talks about I guess is the AAV including this year with the bonus already paid, ends up around 6.18M (24.75M/4 years left on contract)
But Marner is going nowhere this season, if they fail again there going to be a very interesting offseason.

 

[NewEraGM]

And that is proven where? Where is the link? And how will that impact JT and his complete NTC.

Well it’s not proven - obviously it’s just my opinion as is yours that their window is still open.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Marner is due something like 6mil a year in actual cash after we pay his bonus, just under 5 if we wait until the off-season before his NTC. Small market teams would line up to rent him for a year at 850k and flip him with retention.

Probably nope for the bolded.

Signing bonuses are normally paid on July 1st, the same day the NTC kicks in.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Damn right. We love it. Gets our summer goin early; while you's are watching 'swatpuck', we're drinking umbrella drinks next to the pool.

Are you sure your tongue-in-cheek comment will be understood as such?

Mid-April is a bit early for an outside pool. So I understand why you don't wish to simply miss the playoffs.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

John Tavares was outscored by Phillip Danault at 5v5 over the last two seasons and is only getting older..

Where are you getting your numbers from?

Tavares was 33-45-78 at EV over the last 2 seasons.

Danault, while he had slightly better numbers in 2019-2020, was 17-55-72 at EV for the same period.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Yea but the leafs window is closing if it isn’t already closed where as Winnipeg and NJs windows are just opening

Yes, 23-25 yrs old windows are closing??
What's next a 21 yr old has peaked (heard that before too)

 

[Pyrophorus]

The numbers he talks about I guess is the AAV including this year with the bonus already paid, ends up around 6.18M (24.75M/4 years left on contract)
But Marner is going nowhere this season, if they fail again there going to be a very interesting offseason.

What is failure though?

 

[NewEraGM]

Yes, 23-25 yrs old windows are closing??
What's next a 21 yr old has peaked (heard that before too)

Lol it’s not just that. It’s the contracts that those players have. If they were getting paid 2-3M less each, their window would still be open of course, but it’s impossible to improve this team from here

 

[Pyrophorus]

No they wouldn’t lol. No one is doing toronto (or any other team) a favour. Leaf fans need to understand this lol.
Also second of all, your numbers are incorrect. It’s closer to 7M in signing bonus plus 750k in salary per year.
Also Carey price has very similar contract structure in terms of how much is paid in bonuses versus annual salary. Also similar in terms of how many real dollars versus cap hit. (Real dollars are a lot less than cap hit) funny how I’ve never heard anything positive about Carey’s contract but somehow Marners is great. Tavares and Marner contracts are anchors especially if they can’t figure out the playoffs. I’d feel better about Matthews and nylander contracts

Maybe Price is 31, and Marner is 24

 

[Pyrophorus]

Lol it’s not just that. It’s the contracts that those players have. If they were getting paid 2-3M less each, their window would still be open of course, but it’s impossible to improve this team from here

I guess we'll agree to disagree, I don't see them declining.