It suggests that we were a poor defensive team that suddenly improved because of Berube. When actually, we were a good defensive team that was poor defensively for one season as a result of poor decisions by Treliving, and now we have returned to our previous defensive results because of better decisions by Treliving.
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Yep, he brought in some good players and the Coach has them playing well.
Seems much better this year than last, I don't think anyone is trying to mislead.
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Funny, TSN just put this up.
Craig Berube has brought defensive balance to Maple Leafs | TSN
No team conceded fewer goals at even strength in November than the Maple Leafs, thanks to improved structural play under the new head coach, Travis Yost writes.
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Issues with the article aside, it at least shows a longer history of even strength defensive results, and we can see that the main difference so far through 20 games has been goaltending performing at a much better rate at even strength relative to the entirety of previous seasons.Funny, TSN just put this up.
Craig Berube has brought defensive balance to Maple Leafs | TSN
No team conceded fewer goals at even strength in November than the Maple Leafs, thanks to improved structural play under the new head coach, Travis Yost writes.
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Except there have been multiple stats shared around how they are defending better in the slot and high danger areas. Even just looking at their HDCA, this is the best they have ever performed (only Minnesota is better this season so far) with this group, and they have been excellent at suppressing rebounds. Goaltending has been great but the team is also making their lives easier.
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Compared to last season, when we abandoned defense. Not compared to other seasons. Which is why the comparison is only ever to last season.
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Nope. I went on MoneyPuck and Natural Stat Trick and verified this myself for the last five years. Some discrepancies between the two but generally the other seasons Leafs ranked between 9-14 in high danger chances against, which was good to average. They are firmly elite this year, even medium danger they rank at the top.
This was all 5v5 to be clear.
Also Siegel just posted an article which shows how much Tanev has made a difference and is basically playing at a level defensively that nobody prior to him here, including Muzzin, has with this regime.
If you look at specifically high danger chances against at specifically 5v5, then yes, we've done a bit better, but it's come at the expense of generating our own high danger chances, and our overall defensive results aren't any better. Tanev has done well so far at the quarter mark of his 1st year as our #4 defenseman, but let's be real. He wishes he could be as good as Muzzin.
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But you've already moved them so much. You're pointing to one specific defensive stat in one game situation to distract from the overall defensive results being the same, and what was sacrificed to get there.
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Your act is beyond pathetic. All I did was rebuff that this is their best defensive performance and you turned it into a discussion about offense (when 6-7 of our starting forwards have been missing time) and just straight up gaslighting that the 'defensive results aren't better'.
The overall defensive results aren't better. The high danger chances against at 5v5 are better, so you turned the discussion to that, and didn't like me pointing out how we got there and the corresponding impacts.
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You're wasting your time - I think he's physically incapable of admitting he's wrong about anything.
I'm happy to, when I'm actually wrong. You should try it. Even better, align yourself with the facts in the first place, so you don't have to.
So what do you want me to do? Show playoff replays of him primarily creating offense from the blue line? Should I post the same articles and videos I’ve shared 100 times, which you sarcastically referenced me posting 100 times?
Make up your mind. If you need convincing, I can post them all over again, but if I do, don’t complain that I’ve posted them 100 times already. The play is still 55 feet from the net, and opponents tend to leave space there because they want the play to stay on the perimeter. This has been the leafs problem in the playoffs. They don't get inside.
The argument about Marner is always that he’s too far from the net. Every time I tune in, more often than not, I see him standing at the blue line at 5v5.
Even the broadcast team mentioned how often Marner is on the blueline.
Keep an eye on Marner in the offensive zone during the game. This is for the open-minded Leafs fans who are curious about why the core four have struggled so much in the playoffs and don’t just want to believe in sunshine and rainbows until the playoffs come around to discuss what’s not working. Just because a select group of Marner fans want just enjoy the season and wait for playoffs, maybe others feel differently.
For reference, these two setups came from 60-goal McDavid on one shift. Notice how much closer to the net McDavid is.
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Did they point out anything offensively? That is where we struggle in the playoffs, which is far more concerning to me (and should be to most).
Also, the numbers are like 2.1 xGA vs 2.3-2.4...
Looks like the drop-off in xGF is higher than the gain in xGA.
This might be because of the players we are missing, but I'd also expect our xGA to go up.
Having a 70 goal scorer vs not having a 70 goal scorer, I'm sure that's a significant hit to the xgf. Don't think it helps that he wants to play a cycle type offense but many of his top players don't want to. We will see. We know that Keefes offense didn't translate in playoffs. Maybe Berubes will.
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why is McDavid skating away from the net here toward the corner side boards/blue line? you can't score from there
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The guy needs someone to create space for him, he IMO has low hockey IQ, thinks he is still in Jr (because he tries Jr stuff all the time). Unless we find that mystery center who can create time and space for him + a power forward winger who can take defenders with him to the net, Nik's not going on any streak. Nik needs to understand he cant play in traffic, he wont dangle defenders , he needs to find open spaces and he needs to play harder without the puck or he will just be another AHL tweener. Effective is always better than fancy... he does not understand who he is yet.
Berube effect!
That is impressive. Amazing what happens when you put bloody raw meat eating bone crunching defenders on the back end vs talent show cotton puffs p***ys back there.
This screen capture warms my heart.
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Honestly ask yourself these questions:
- Will you see more of the ice in traffic or away from traffic?
- Is there more traffic at the point or closer to the net?
- Do you have more time and space in traffic or way from traffic?
- If you are a puck distributor is it better to have more time to make decisions or less time?
- If you are distributing the puck, do you want to be in traffic or away from traffic?
- Is Marner a puck distributor or a crash and bang goal scorer?
- Why are we comparing anyone to McDavid?
