Leafs announce promotions and new goalie coach

[Menzinger]

I do wonder if part of the reasoning is to make it harder for other teams to poach from this group. Teams won't stand in the way of promotions but less likely to grant permission if its a lateral move.

It definitely plays into it. Mirtle reported that's why the Leafs promoted Pridham to AGM a couple seasons ago (and why he's well paid).

 

[Jeune Poulet]

What is Spezza's title?

He probably doesn't know himself.

Reminds me of this:

 

[hotpaws]

Not much to dislike here, especially Metcalf and Wickenheiser (curious to see if her hands on role expands with this.

And this stuff is nothing new. Lou gave Hunter name only title promotion to make him seem appear equal to Dubas too. Plenty of GMs play around with promotional stuff.

you just can't stop making crap up to fluff your boy Dubas

it was well known Lou kicked Dubas to the Marlies the second he became GM and favored Hunter to take over for him which means nothing since Shanny was the boss and chose Dubas

and i don't understand how someone who keeps whining about people for being too critical of Dubas is on here constantly craping on every former Leaf employee and every non Leaf player or mgmt

 

[capfit9]

Was it the SN Radio or TSN? OverDrive?

Kyper (SN) & Johnson(TSN)

 

[Leaf Fans]

you just can't stop making crap up to fluff your boy Dubas

it was well know Lou kicked Dubas to the Marlies the second he became GM and favored Hunter to take over for him which means nothing since Shanny was the boss and chose Dubas

and i don't understand how someone who keeps whining about people for being too critical of Dubas is on here constantly craping on every former Leaf employee and every non Leaf player or mgmt

That is you making stuff up.

 

[capfit9]

There's no sense in worrying about this until game one happens and we have a tandem of Woll and Mrazek.

true but the idea has been implanted

The fact that you believe Nick Kypreos has any sort of inside information, after being fired from his position at SN for not having inside information, is the most laughable part of this post.

Mike Johnson has also said on TSN

Wow local radio said it so it must be true.

what if it becomes reality. how would you feel about that "plan" ?

 

[Racer88]

I can see the reasoning but if it were me I would sign a reliable backup. Imagine the heat should Mrazek go down in November and your goalies are Woll and Kallgren ?? Too risky and doubt Dubas chances it.

Ya really think Mrazek would last until November

 

[hotpaws]

That is you making stuff up.

it was Dubas that said in an interview Lou kicked him to the Marlies and it was widely rumored that both Lou and Babs both wanted Hunter to succeed Lou

which as i said meant nothing since Shanny favored KD

but you do you and enjoy Dubie while you still can

 

[Leaf Fans]

it was Dubas that said in an interview Lou kicked him to the Marlies and it was widely rumored that both Lou and Babs both wanted Hunter to succeed Lou

which as i said meant nothing since Shanny favored KD

but you do you and enjoy Dubie while you still can

One of the jobs of the AGM is running the farm team -that is not spin, but Lou kicked him to the Marlies is spin. I will enjoy watching the Leafs with Dubas of course. I enjoyed watching with his predicessors and when Dubas eventually moves on, gets fired or retires, I will enjoy watching the Leafs with his sucessor. You can wallow in misery until the Leafs hire someone that you like.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I love it.

Put all the heat on Sanford to get magic out of Mrazek, Woll, and Källgren.

I'm just gonna take a minute to pop some popcorn.

 

[hotpaws]

I can see the reasoning but if it were me I would sign a reliable backup. Imagine the heat should Mrazek go down in November and your goalies are Woll and Kallgren ?? Too risky and doubt Dubas chances it.

they'll be enough heat if he doesn't go down and if these rumors are true then the cost to dump Mrarek is much higher than the team is willing to pay

and i can already hear the spin from Dubie about how they believe in Pistol Pete and he's the best of the available options that are out there

 

[Leaf Fans]

I love it.

Put all the heat on Sanford to get magic out of Mrazek, Holl, and Källgren.

I'm just gonna take a minute to pop some popcorn.

Holl won't be coached directly by Sanford, or do you mean Woll. Anyway enjoy your popcorn.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Holl won't be coached directly by Sanford, or do you mean Woll. Anyway enjoy your popcorn.

I'll fix

 

[keonsbitterness]

I also think that Dubas was something of a snake oil salesman when he sat down with Shanahan oh many years ago.

I think there is a big factor where Shanahan, a career hockey man who likely (though admittedly I can't be certain) wasn't exactly a mathematical genius. In walks in a young, confident kid who started throwing around equations and numbers to support existing or emerging ideas within the community (i.e. puck possession is critical), going beyond the X's and O's on a whiteboard.

I think Shanahan bought in, partially because of his own hubris. He's openly admitted that sitting down with Dubas was meant to be an hour long conversation to give him his due, but ended up being a full day endeavour, ordering lunch, etc.

To me, that seems odd. Even when I interview someone and am blow away but what they have to say, even at high-level positions, I'll give them two hours instead of one, but more screams "I'm falling under your spell, and buying what you're selling."

Shanahan may not be a Mensa member but he exudes far more intelligence than the typical ex-player. He's no Tie Domi. I can't buy the notion that Shanahan and Lou and ownership were all taken in by a charlatan, and that Dubas can't be fired because he used fancy words to impress his bosses.

 

[TribalPhoenix]

Shanahan may not be a Mensa member but he exudes far more intelligence than the typical ex-player. He's no Tie Domi. I can't buy the notion that Shanahan and Lou and ownership were all taken in by a charlatan, and that Dubas can't be fired because he used fancy words to impress his bosses.

Quite right, he seems like a smarter guy than average, but I'm a smart guy and I'm good with computers, but not great at coding. Someone less intelligent may sit down in front of me and be able to discuss coding on a much higher level. They may be able to sell me on things based on perceived knowledge and intellect.

Lou was never taken in; Shanahan made the hire. Lou was already in charge.

I never ever stated Dubas can't be fired. I really don't know where you came up with that.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I never ever stated Dubas can't be fired. I really don't know where you came up with that.

Sort of implied with the "falling under your spell" bit.

 

[TribalPhoenix]

Sort of implied with the "falling under your spell" bit.

Well... no.

It literally means he enticed them into buying what he was selling. Look up snake oil salesmen. Eventually, the fraud gets found out.

 

[Maple Leaf]

they need some fresh

 

[keonsbitterness]

Well... no.

It literally means he enticed them into buying what he was selling. Look up snake oil salesmen. Eventually, the fraud gets found out.

Fraud is literally illegal. How long should he serve?

they need some fresh

......raspberries?

 

[Menzinger]

you just can't stop making crap up to fluff your boy Dubas

it was well known Lou kicked Dubas to the Marlies the second he became GM and favored Hunter to take over for him which means nothing since Shanny was the boss and chose Dubas

By all accounts Hunters role with the team remained unchanged before and after the AGM titile - he was head of pro/amateur scouting before the 'promotion', and remained focused on that until he left.

 

[hotpaws]

By all accounts Hunters role with the team remained unchanged before and after the AGM titile - he was head of pro/amateur scouting before the 'promotion', and remained focused on that until he left.

Lou literally said Hunter did much more than just run the scouting dept and he wanted to reflect that so he added the agm title , you don't have to like the job Hunter did but Lou obviously felt differently than you do . Also Lou's not the type to hand out titles for shits and giggles .

at the end of he day it's Shanny's opinion that matters and he went with Dubas so shitting on Hunter doesn't make Dubie's light shine brighter

 

[TribalPhoenix]

Fraud is literally illegal. How long should he serve?

How old are you?

 

[egd27]

Have to think that there will be more adds to the goalie department than a minor league goalie coach???

Like maybe some goalies?

 

[keonsbitterness]

How old are you?

What does my age have to do with Dubas potentially committing fraud?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I fully agree with this statement. New voices and opinions are great assets, but when the leader is young himself, I question his ability to fully extract value from those voices.

From my assessment, his experiment (thus far) has been an abject failure. Lots of money spent, great regular season success but still no playoff (though I give some credit for the TBL loss, but we're going to be a worse team next year).

He seems to be willing to go out on his shield on his top four (accidental five?) model, which hey, admire the commitment, but he's ignored some of the external factors that go into extrapolating models from more successful teams. When you can have Stamkos, Kucherov, Point, Hedman and Vasilevsky all making below market value because of a favourable state tax rate, you can't rebuild that model when you're paying out an additional 10-15% of your cap space to make it happen.

He's tried to play the analytics/puck-possession game, which I think has it's place, but he's put too many eggs in that basket. You can only put those guys on for 20 minutes a game, so hoping the rest of the squad can carry the load is a big ask when you're not given the same amount of talent depth.

My assessment of your assessment is that you make a lot of assumptions without necessarily much deep thought beyond said assumptions, rather a penchant for ascribing to a chosen narrative. Just an assessment though.