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Confirmed with Link: Leafs acquire Luke Schenn for a 3rd round pick

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I guess that speed and acceleration are no longer part of this team's advanced analytics criteria.
 
Ziggdiezan said:
Improved depth perhaps, have see later round picks trade for guys like that in previous years. Also could be further moves to create more space on the blueline
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Yea, I think it makes sense to move another guy out. Have your expected top 6, your 1-2 legit NHL dmen depth pieces, and Benn/Mete in reserve if needed.

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Liljegren
Gio-Holl

NHL extras: Timmins/Schenn
Further depth: Mete/Benn

I would think it's Gustafson or Holl out. We just traded for Schenn, so it's not him, and we re-signed Timmins within the past month, so I don't it's him. And then it's obviously nobody else.
 
613Leafer said:
Yea, I think it makes sense to move another guy out. Have your expected top 6, your 1-2 legit NHL dmen depth pieces, and Benn/Mete in reserve if needed.

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Liljegren
Gio-Holl

NHL extras: Timmins/Schenn
Further depth: Mete/Benn

I would think it's Gustafson or Holl out. We just traded for Schenn, so it's not him, and we re-signed Timmins within the past month, so I don't it's him. And then it's obviously nobody else.
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I think Gustafson is probably sitting or getting traded, though i guess he could have been acquired as a PP options. Also going from Schenn to Holl (if that is what it comes to) seems like a un-Dubas like decision.
 
Fun fact about Schenn:

151st out of 153 defensemen with over 50 PK minutes in GA/60 on the PK this year (over 15 GA/60). VAN does get terrible PK goaltending, and the two guys worse than him are also on VAN, but his xGA also suck (131st) while OEL (152nd in GA) is 22nd in xGA and Bear (dead last) is 109th.

Holl, comparatively, is 12th in the league out of 153 defensemen with 5 GA/60 (Morgan Rielly is surprisingly 6th in the league after qualifying with enough minutes as our #5 PK defenseman) and 33rd in xGA/60.

Schenn has had some actual success running shotgun with Hughes, but his underlying numbers suck with him and away from Hughes, he is not even NHL-caliber. So there is a 3rd round pick effectively riding on him being significantly better with TOR than he was in VAN and working well with Rielly, because otherwise, he is effectively a RH version of Jordie Benn... Which puts him 9th or 10th on our healthy depth chart with Holl still on the team.

Throwing a ton of hits doesn't make up for being a terrible defenseman who is worse than 8 other guys on our depth chart.
 
Ziggdiezan said:
I think Gustafson is probably sitting or getting traded, though i guess he could have been acquired as a PP options. Also going from Schenn to Holl (if that is what it comes to) seems like a un-Dubas like decision.
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Yea, the way I wrote it was assuming Gustafson as the odd-man out, because Holl is probably the best defensively of the group and most reliable to play ~20 minutes if needed.

But if it's not Gustafson, he's the only other guy I could see them moving (assuming they move someone). I don't see the point in sitting three of Holl, Timmins, Schenn, and Gustafson on any given night, especially with Mete/Benn behind that group.
 
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I wonder if the log jam on D is Dubas anticipating the high chance of one of them being suspended in the first couple playoff games. The history is there of officials letting opposing teams set the tone physically and smacking the Leafs down with suspensions when they try and answer back.
 
Schenn cannot skate and would be exposed on back end. Tampa used him when they had injuries. We batter have the same usage of him as 7th defense man and nothing more.
 
Don’t like this deal - Schenn is pretty terrible and I actually love big hitters and “grit” guys, I just hate the giveaways, terrible skating, and lack of IQ more
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Fun fact about Schenn:

151st out of 153 defensemen with over 50 PK minutes in GA/60 on the PK this year (over 15 GA/60). VAN does get terrible PK goaltending, and the two guys worse than him are also on VAN, but his xGA also suck (131st) while OEL (152nd in GA) is 22nd in xGA and Bear (dead last) is 109th.

Holl, comparatively, is 12th in the league out of 153 defensemen with 5 GA/60 (Morgan Rielly is surprisingly 6th in the league after qualifying with enough minutes as our #5 PK defenseman) and 33rd in xGA/60.

Schenn has had some actual success running shotgun with Hughes, but his underlying numbers suck with him and away from Hughes, he is not even NHL-caliber. So there is a 3rd round pick effectively riding on him being significantly better with TOR than he was in VAN and working well with Rielly, because otherwise, he is effectively a RH version of Jordie Benn... Which puts him 9th or 10th on our healthy depth chart with Holl still on the team.

Throwing a ton of hits doesn't make up for being a terrible defenseman who is worse than 8 other guys on our depth chart.
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Nucks PK is really bad, like really bad. Or else they(MGT, fans and medias) won't be overjoy when they signed Soup bc they thought he is someone who really can help them PK.
Their bottom 6 are not PKers and thats why Petey, Bo, and Miller needed to PK and if they are on the Leafs, none of them would be on the PK.

Whats I am trying to say is that don't think it is fair to judge Schenn's PK numbers.

Having said that, I do agree Scheen should be our No. 7 Dman and no more. Thats why I still think there is a deal out there for another Dman with Holl, Kerfoot and the added Bos 1st.
 
Gabriel426 said:
Nucks PK is really bad, like really bad. Or else they(MGT, fans and medias) won't be overjoy when they signed Soup bc they thought he is someone who really can help them PK.
Their bottom 6 are not PKers and thats why Petey, Bo, and Miller needed to PK and if they are on the Leafs, none of them would be on the PK.

Whats I am trying to say is that don't think it is fair to judge Schenn's PK numbers.

Having said that, I do agree Scheen should be our No. 7 Dman and no more. Thats why I still think there is a deal out there for another Dman with Holl, Kerfoot and the added Bos 1st.
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I say keep an open mind. One of the factors cited in Quinn Hughes breakout as an offensive superstar in Vancouver over the past couple of years has been Luke Schenn's babysitting. Morgan Rielly isn't a kid, but sometimes he could use a little babysitting.
 
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Not a fan…wasn’t a fan when he was here. Slow and not great with position.

Now he is older and slower and no better defensively and we want him to replace guys we had?

Hopefully he doesn’t see the ice often in playoffs. Unless it’s a goon team.

Great story but he doesn’t make us better. McCabe does…and Gus is a better overall defender.

Hopefully Lilly and Gio don’t lose minutes….they have been our best defenders
 
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