Confirmed with Link: Leafs acquire Dzingel, Lyubushkin from ARI for Ritchie, c.2nd... Dzingel on waivers &claimed

[zeke]

There's a chance he actually respects your opinion... take the hint/compliment!lol

"Just stats again? Or have you watched him at all?"

 

[Scion]

He's actually good at getting the puck out of the zone. He's not going to dazzle anyone with puck handling skills or anything but it won't be 3 or 4 failed attempts to exit the zone every shift like our great shutdown pairing does. He's going to get the puck to the right guys and then just do his job.

The Leafs don't rim the puck, so simply being able to get the puck out of the zone is not beneficial to this team. You need to be able to make plays under pressure.

 

[Peace Frog]

I’ve wanted the Leafs to focus more on physical, stay at home dmen for a while now. Guys who are efficient at getting the puck out of our zone, are crucial to our success for a legit Cup run. If Lyubushkin is that type of player, I’ll be very happy. Defence don’t need to be flashy; they just need to be good….. on defence!

 

[Ports]

Leafs have missed BOGOs physical play.
If this new D can clear the crease, PK, and protect a lead what is not to like?

Might be a good partner for Sandin.

Agreed

 

[keonsbitterness]

"Just stats again? Or have you watched him at all?"

Lighten up, Francis.

 

[Aashir]

I’ll wait to see until he plays as I know nothing of lyubushkin apart from him being a good depth option in nhl 21

ditto for dzingel

but at least ritchie is gone

 

[Scion]

A few minutes is all the difference in the world. Holl gets 18 minutes a night at even strength, lyubushkin gets 15:30 - around the same as sandin/lill/dermott I.e. bottom pair minutes.

And this is the first year Lyubushkin had ever received anything close to this much ice time.

And Lyubushkin was limited to those minutes even though he was on the worst team in hockey.



Holl has been a big part of the Leafs being one of the best defenses in hockey the past couple of years.

The idea that a bottom pair guy on the worst team in the league is an upgrade on holl sea a strange one.

The Leafs have been better this year without Bogo and Lyubushkin may not even be as good as bogo.

Its the typical grass is greener on the other side syndrome. I wouldn't be surprised if both guys aren't on the playoff roster in April.

 

[Ports]

One of liljegren or Dzingel need to go down unless another trade is made; as it stands they’re $167k over the cap

They won’t be carrying 8 d and Lilly can be sent down without going on waivers so that’s likely. I also expect Dzingel will get put on waivers and sent to the Marlies if he isn’t claimed.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Will depend if they want to carry 7 defenseman or 13 forwards. Doubt they’ll do both. They won’t send Dermott down because they risk losing him getting claimed. Do they like Dzingel better than Dermott?

They can carry 13 forwards and 7 defense. Ritchie's buried cap hit was higher than Dzingel's current cap hit (1.375 vs. 1.1).

We would need to send Liljegren down (i.e. we can't hold 8 defense), but we don't need to waive anyone unless we want to accrue cap. The main thing is sending Liljegren down is far from ideal, because he is good enough to be playing every day and could arguably be better than Lyubushkin.

It makes a lot more sense to either waive and hope Dzingel clears (which is a realistic possibility) or to trade Dermott. We aren't waiving Dermott.

 

[Havoc]

Need to see this russian bear in action. I'm not in the business of displacing players on a stanley cup contender with depth players of a lottery team.

A+ for getting Ritchie off the books next year though.

 

[Griffin76]

The Leafs don't rim the puck, so simply being able to get the puck out of the zone is not beneficial to this team. You need to be able to make plays under pressure.

That's exactly what I mean. He doesn't do the Holl flip to the blue line, back around the net. Muzzin flip to the blue line, back around the net. Rinse. Repeat. He makes the smart pass. Like I said he's not going to dazzle anybody but he's going to do the simple smart play and get the puck to the guys that can do the right things.

 

[cup67]

Dzingel is not upgrading anyone in this lineup except maybe Simmonds.

Engvall and Mikheyev are significantly better than him, or at least the version of him that has existed since he started in Carolina in 2019.

I think he’s better then both , has grit can score , fights , stands up for team mates , can skate. We need grit on the 3rd line and forth line

 

[garce]

I very much doubt Dzingel is going to pop and score 20 again.

He could come in as a useful energy guy with speed and some finish, but what interests me is the Mikheyev/Engvall paradox.

Engvall has taken a small step forward but still looks disengaged too frequently, and while he had a hot start, Mikheyev is back to being roundly infuriating with his tunnel vision and lack of finish, 2-3-5 in his last 12.

Engvall is an RFA who’s earned a modest raise the team is capable of paying, Mik is a UFA who has asked to be traded before. He will seek his bag and I guarantee he gets at least 2.75x4.

And then there’s Robertson and Amirov coming up, Nicky can’t be too far away.

If Dzingel comes in and adds, does Dubas look to flip Mikheyev before losing him for free? If some crazy GM offers a second for him it’s certainly something I’d consider.

I don’t know if Dzingel can penalty kill but I see him as a similar and reasonable replacement for Mik given miks Ufa status. I like Engval over them both as I think he’s becoming more versatile and consistent

 

[Ashdown2]

They won’t be carrying 8 d and Lilly can be sent down without going on waivers so that’s likely. I also expect Dzingel will get put on waivers and sent to the Marlies if he isn’t claimed.

why is everyone saying they are waiving dzingel ?

 

[Ports]

I assume this temporarily takes Holl out of the lineup ?

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Lily
Sandin Russian
Dermott Holl

I hope they are still working on an upgrade next to Muzzin. Russian should be insurance once they find a suitable upgrade because Lily deserves to play

They can’t afford to carry 8 dman on the cap so unless there is another trade including Dermott or Holl by tomorrow PM, Lilly will be sent down because he’s not subject to waivers.

 

[Kurtz]

I've barely seen this kid play, but his attributes are exactly what we needed on this team. Figured it'd cost us a 3rd to dump Ritchie, so to get Babushka and Jingles for virtually free is pretty good.

 

[Griffin76]

"Just stats again? Or have you watched him at all?"

Exactly. You are a stats guy. I'm asking if you're only going by stats or if you've actually watched him play. I'm not attacking you man.

 

[cup67]

mik is 10000000x better than engvall ....... why in blue blazes would the leafs trade mik ?


as for the lyb , i think its a good pickup considering the cost of the other options at RD (im hearing manson and mayfield arnt available)
besides braun who wouldnt break the bank the other options are just worse defensivly and would cost ALOT more.

Mikheyev is just good at PK when it comes to playoffs they need more grit on 3rd line . Someone that pushes back , someone that hits dman , someone that scores .

 

[Nylanderthal]

They won’t be carrying 8 d and Lilly can be sent down without going on waivers so that’s likely. I also expect Dzingel will get put on waivers and sent to the Marlies if he isn’t claimed.

I’m pretty sure as it stands only one move needs to be made. So Lilly goes down til a D gets traded or hurt

 

[Enniskillen]

Lyub hits more than any other Leaf. Let’s hope it helps them in playoffs.

 

[Ports]

They can carry 13 forwards and 7 defense. Ritchie's buried cap hit was higher than Dzingel's current cap hit (1.375 vs. 1.1).

We would need to send Liljegren down (i.e. we can't hold 8 defense), but we don't need to waive anyone unless we want to accrue cap. The main thing is sending Liljegren down is far from ideal, because he is good enough to be playing every day and could arguably be better than Lyubushkin.

It makes a lot more sense to either waive and hope Dzingel clears (which is a realistic possibility) or to trade Dermott. We aren't waiving Dermott.

Agree. Lilly goes down with Dzingel who likely won’t get claimed.

 

[BigBlu]

"Just stats again? Or have you watched him at all?"

Terrible.

My own rule of thumb for reading texts is to read them literally.. otherwise you can imagine 100 hypothetical connotations. Tamping down my person affrontage (not a real word) also keeps me relatable. (for the most part) As you can tell!

Double question marks tho,, would have certainly crossed the line!!! lol

 

[zeke]

A refresher on how Bogo did in the playoffs last year:

Reminder: muzz/holl took the toughest matchups and zone starts, while bogo was sheltered on the bottom pair.

5v5 goals against/60

1. Brodie 0.00
2. Rielly 0.80
3. Dermott 1.16
4. Holl 1.44
5. Muzzin 2.08
6. Sandin 3.88
7. Bogosian 4.23

Expected Goals Against /60

1. Rielly 1.13
2. Brodie 1.40
3. Dermott 1.55
4. Sandin 2.13
5. Bogosian 2.51
6. Holl 2.56
7. Muzzin 2.82

Expected Goals Against relative

1. Rielly -7.2
2. Dermott -5.1
3. Brodie -4.1
4. Sandin +1.6
5. Holl +4.7
6. Bogosian +6.4
7. Muzzin +6.8


So even though he was sheltered, he gave up more goals than anyone and his Expected Goals against impact was about the same as our top matchup pair's.

And that's just the pure defensive numbers - I'm ignoring that he was useless offensively too.

This year both our 3rd pair and our PK have been much better without him.

I don't know why we'd want another Bogo (if lyubushkin is even as good as Bogo).

As depth it's fine but I highly, highly doubt this guy deserves to play over any of our current dmen.

 

[Ports]

I’m pretty sure as it stands only one move needs to be made. So Lilly goes down til a D gets traded or hurt

They were carrying 7 D and 12F before the trade. It will be interesting to see if they keep Dzingel up as a 13th forward or want the extra cap space which can accrue until they need it for a trade.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Its the typical grass is greener on the other side syndrome. I wouldn't be surprised if both guys aren't on the playoff roster in April.

I don't think it is a bad idea to have a good #7 for the playoffs. We have needed 7D each of the past few years (although usually it was a LD because Muzzin can't stay healthy for his life). I think he could have more of an impact than Dermott, simply because Dermott doesn't have any kind of special teams value. Lyubushkin is probably more capable of handling tough defensive shifts too.

Not really sure that is worth a 2nd/3rd, but I would not be surprised if another team paid that for him if we did not, and we can easily get that pick back by moving Dermott.

I just think people need to get the idea that Lyubushkin is some top 4 RD out of their heads. He is effectively a younger Bogosian for us. Bogosian was a decent #6 for us last year, but that was before Liljegren. I would bet Bogosian would be a #7 for us this year, and alas, that is also what Lyubushkin should be for us too.