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LD Rasmus Dahlin (2018, 1st, BUF) Part 3

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Snippit said:
Good thing using xGF% is a terrible metric to evaluate defenseman over a period of a few games...relative or not.
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And why is that? It takes all shot actions into account.

Are you saying that shot actions don't matter for defensemen? That's what they literally are there to prevent. It's a far more accurate measure than the actual amount of goals allowed, especially for small sample sizes.

If you don't like comparing %s, you can note that in 5v5, Ristolainen has almost 1 whole xGA less than Dahlin(which means that Dahlin's xGA is about 50% higher than Ristolainen's). They have almost the same 5v5 ice time. There we remove the offensive portion.

I still don't understand the stance that stats don't matter for small sample sizes. That's the most accurate measure you have of what happened in those games. Is it valuable for evaluating what might happen in the future? Probably not. But it still tells what happened in those games. And shows that Dahlin's defending hasn't been good by any measure. ¨

...Outside of the eye tests of Sabres fans, I guess. The most accurate stat of all, I know.
 
ijuka said:
And why is that? It takes all shot actions into account.

Are you saying that shot actions don't matter for defensemen? That's what they literally are there to prevent. It's a far more accurate measure than the actual amount of goals allowed, especially for small sample sizes.

If you don't like comparing %s, you can note that in 5v5, Ristolainen has almost 1 whole xGA less than Dahlin(which means that Dahlin's xGA is about 50% higher than Ristolainen's). They have almost the same 5v5 ice time. There we remove the offensive portion.

I still don't understand the stance that stats don't matter for small sample sizes. That's the most accurate measure you have of what happened in those games. Is it valuable for evaluating what might happen in the future? Probably not. But it still tells what happened in those games. And shows that Dahlin's defending hasn't been good by any measure. ¨

...Outside of the eye tests of Sabres fans, I guess. The most accurate stat of all, I know.
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Because it could just as easily mean the other 4 players have done a poor job while Dahlin is on the ice, even though Dahlin was doing the right things.
 
PittsburghHustlers said:
As a Swede I have to say I’m pretty disappointed with Dahlin so far. Haven’t impressed in any of the games. Hopefully he gets better pretty soon (as he should). Sabres fans deserves it.
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This is kinda surprising to me honestly. Am I missing something? In the games I've watched, sure he may not be outstanding at every second but his skating, physicality (although he isn't too good at using his size just yet but there's loads of potential there), and offensive IQ to dance the line and find the open players and set them up have all been great. Sure he can improve his play but for an 18 year old he has looked solid out there and will only get better. Maybe people are disappointed cause they expected him to be some generational #1 dman superstar right away that would be putting up huge offensive numbers in his first few games, but it just doesn't work like that for the vast majority of dmen entering the league at his age.
 
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are we really expecting an 18 year old defender to be a 50 to 60 pointer this year? defenders take a bit to get going always have, always will, it is a big change for a an 18 year old to come in on guys who are 26 and 35 years old strength and speed is a big change, adjustment time is needed...strength has to be improved....not sure why people think they are the saviors right away...there is no rush for these guys, they are the future not the present, I still think teams are rushing guys a little too much these days, yes the game has changed and it is faster and more offensive now but 18 year olds are fragile, a lot of players needed to be brought around slow and in cases like Dahlin just time is needed, people expect too much to fast, the defender position is very very hard to maintain at such a young age especially one that is not a physical monster like Ekblad was, but his skill is way above Ekblad, do not look for a guy to translate so fast, give him time.
 
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Kcb12345 said:
This is kinda surprising to me honestly. Am I missing something? In the games I've watched, sure he may not be outstanding at every second but his skating, physicality (although he isn't too good at using his size just yet but there's loads of potential there), and offensive IQ to dance the line and find the open players and set them up have all been great. Sure he can improve his play but for an 18 year old he has looked solid out there and will only get better. Maybe people are disappointed cause they expected him to be some generational #1 dman superstar right away that would be putting up huge offensive numbers in his first few games, but it just doesn't work like that for the vast majority of dmen entering the league at his age.
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While I didn’t expect him to be a superstar right of the bat, I did expect him to look more dynamic and actually do something offensively. That said, he’s really young and as we all know crazy talented so I’m sure he will turn it around. But I think it’s fair to say he’s been underwhelming so far, as he should be better than the vast majority that enters the league at his age.
 
PittsburghHustlers said:
While I didn’t expect him to be a superstar right of the bat, I did expect him to look more dynamic and actually do something offensively. That said, he’s really young and as we all know crazy talented so I’m sure he will turn it around. But I think it’s fair to say he’s been underwhelming so far, as he should be better than the vast majority that enters the league at his age.
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I think we will see him start to put up more points now that he got his first one. Once things get rolling he could be tough to stop and he showed more confidence last game offensively I felt. Not getting any first PP unit time though can really hurt a young defenseman's offensive production. I'm not a fan of him not being on that first unit and I feel if he was he would have quite a few more points than he does now
 
loving all these stat watchers coming here saying "I'm not impressed with him / he doesn't look good" if you watch any buffalo games you would clearly see he is our best d-man 4 games into his nhl career, at 18 years old.
 
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You wont find a fanbase divided and hateful of their own players more than Sabres fans and yet you wont find a Sabres fan who has watched every game that doesn't agree he's been great defensively and easily our best defensemen through 4 games. But obviously we all got together and decided to fake our observations about him on an Internet message board so that a bunch of people who probably don't even shower didn't know the truth about how awful he's actually been.
 
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PittsburghHustlers said:
While I didn’t expect him to be a superstar right of the bat, I did expect him to look more dynamic and actually do something offensively. That said, he’s really young and as we all know crazy talented so I’m sure he will turn it around. But I think it’s fair to say he’s been underwhelming so far, as he should be better than the vast majority that enters the league at his age.
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And how many has entered the league at his age? Draft #2 and #3. Thats it.
 
Kcb12345 said:
I think we will see him start to put up more points now that he got his first one. Once things get rolling he could be tough to stop and he showed more confidence last game offensively I felt. Not getting any first PP unit time though can really hurt a young defenseman's offensive production. I'm not a fan of him not being on that first unit and I feel if he was he would have quite a few more points than he does now
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I certainly hope you’re right! I agree that him not being on PP1 have hurt his production for sure. I just hoped that he would show his dynamic side more than he has so far. More confidence will do a lot for a player his age so hopefully some points will get him going.
I like Dahlin so it’s not about bashing him. I’ve watched all his game so far this season and while he’s been OK defensively, that’s pretty much all he’s been.
 
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PittsburghHustlers said:
While I didn’t expect him to be a superstar right of the bat, I did expect him to look more dynamic and actually do something offensively. That said, he’s really young and as we all know crazy talented so I’m sure he will turn it around. But I think it’s fair to say he’s been underwhelming so far, as he should be better than the vast majority that enters the league at his age.
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But keep in mind that when Erik Karlsson was Dahlin's age he was still in the SHL putting up a pretty non impressive 10 points in 45 games. Many speak of Karlsson as generational today (not that I agree). You got to have some patience with European D men.
 
I literally don’t know how anyone could watch him and come away with any other opinion then he’s a future game changer. Honestly.
 
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So, it appears he is getting better by the game. After...if I can read the card correctly...4 NHL games. That's certainly a positive sign, to say the least.
 

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