That makes sense, in which case I would agree. Like vanwest said I hope they both end up being good players.
LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)
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Elias Pettersson
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That may be true to some extent, but it's magnified 10x with teams like Vancouver and Toronto.
There were at least 2-3 Horvat vs Lazar polls between 2013-2015 where Lazar handily beat Horvat. Fans of other teams said Horvat would top out as a 3rd line defensive center.
I guess you might be right, but it is hard to say. I mean, I feel like I have seen people make the same argument you're making in both the PLD thread and the Pulju thread. Like someone said earlier, people just like talking crap more than they like praising other teams players. It's lame, but it's just how it is.
It is probably more with you guys and especially Toronto, but I don't think it is some anti-Leafs/Canucks thing. With huge fan bases everything is gonna get magnified both good and bad.
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You are right. It is also way too early to say if he was the wrong pick. I just love how people are saying the Canucks make the wrong when he wasn’t even the last guy chosen before him. Not to mention there are 2 other guys picked in the top 4 still kinda struggling.
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I haven't been keeping up with Olli as much this season, did he say/do something that makes you question his attitude??
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A ton actually, also a lot of reports on how cocky he is, and had a closed door meeting with just himself to discuss his attitude.
Was on reddit and hf boards during camp.
Yes, exactly these kind of things. His interviews have also often sounded quite arrogant and entitled.
He was also the main complainer publicly on the Finnish coach in last years fiasco WJC for Finland, while he was the captain of the team. I mean, the coach pretty much sucked, but you can’t be doing that kind of stuff that he did publicly in the middle of the tournament. And the style how he did it was pretty much with childish whining.
He was a big factor making the team completely a mess and his play on the ice also sucked big time in that tournament.
It seems though that what happened in the beginning of this season has made him a bit more humble. A couple of interviews I heard, his tone had pretty much changed and also he has been playing pretty darn good hockey with looking quite well engaged and motivated.
So I do feel a lot better about him at the moment. But still the kind of attitude problems that he has had could still backfire at some point. Hopefully it has been just immaturity and that he has now finally started maturing after eating some humble pie.
I do like his skills a lot, but I think his real problems so far have been mostly attitude related. Could still become an amazing defenceman if the attitude problem will be completely fixed.
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I've seen every TPS home game since he came over and I gotta say that while his offense is great for this level D is a fairly big issue.
In his own end he seems either disinterested or just clueless. He's also not physically there yet. Still has a lot of work to do in order to not get slaughtered in the big league.
In his own end he seems either disinterested or just clueless. He's also not physically there yet. Still has a lot of work to do in order to not get slaughtered in the big league.
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I completely agree about being disinterested, but I don't think he is clueless.
The coaching staff (Sami Salo) has reiterated everything you said.
I've seen him many times. If you didn't know he was a first rounder, you would just think he was "another guy" out there. I just don't see the needed attributes to jump the next two levels....AHL and NHL to be NHL good.
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Yeah that's kind of been the knock on him since he was drafted. His performance thus far in Liiga has been extremely encouraging though, so I guess you can only wait and see how he does in the AHL.
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I'll be honest; it concerns me when people question his defensive play, considering he was drafted as a safe (or, at least, "safer") two-way option over higher-upside guys like Sergachev and Keller. Was he not supposed to be a high IQ, steady Hamhuis-type from the backend? It's a lot easier to stomach passing on higher risk guys when you know you're getting something much more "known" but now we're hearing about attitude/commitment issues and defensive liabilities?
By no means am I trying to stir the pot or jump on the "shoulda' drafted Tkachuk" bandwagon but this doesn't seem like the narrative we were fed when the Canucks drafted the guy (quiet, composed, two-way anchor who always makes the smart play).
By no means am I trying to stir the pot or jump on the "shoulda' drafted Tkachuk" bandwagon but this doesn't seem like the narrative we were fed when the Canucks drafted the guy (quiet, composed, two-way anchor who always makes the smart play).
thelittlecoon
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From the games I've watched this year he's been decent in his own zone. Makes quick smart plays when he has the puck and is great at stick positioning and stick checking. Where he really struggles is using his body to defend. He relies way to much on his stick and gets beat by speed and strength to the outside more than I'd like to see. Looks waaaay more comfortable then he did in the preseason though. His passing and skating with the puck are about as clean as you can get.
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Agree on this, I have watched most of his games (a season ticket holder). I don't know how someone could claim he is "clueless" in his own zone.
That's funny coming from a leafs fan. Let me guess you think Liljegren is more NHL ready?
Check my posts, seems like I was one of few Leaf fans that said "Gee guys, he was drafted 17th, no way is he NHL ready." Being of junior age and playing in the AHL is a big enough jump. IMO Liljegren won't be NHL ready next year either.
If the NHL was a no contact, skills contest, Liljegren might be ready, but since the NHL is a contact, collusion game , you better be of man strength too.
What are the "attributes" that you believe are needed to make the NHL Juolevi doesn't possess? He makes smart decisions with and without the puck and is 6'3 200lbs. He's a solid bet to make the NHL, even if he only ends up a #3 d-man.
I drove up to Toronto with my family to see the rookie game against the habs at Ricoh and Liljegren looked so far away from the NHL I didn't think he'd crack the Marlies starting lineup. He's been doing ok so far but still makes questionable decisions with the puck constantly and his adventures into the offensive zone leading to turnovers haven't disappeared since last season. Great skater and a wicked shot but still left wanting more every time I watch.
When I watched Juolevi in London I thought he did everything you'd want in a defenseman, was solid at both ends of the ice, tilted the ice in the knights favour with his breakout passes and clean transition play, and could be used in any and every situation. Only thing I didn't like was his lack of urgency which looks like it's catching up to him now. Still think he's a safer bet to make the NHL than Liljegren from what I've seen of both. The WJC will be a good opportunity to see them head to head if they end up playing each other.
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