LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)

[Billy Kvcmu]

Vancouver must regret not having taken Sergachev instead of Juolevi.

Too early
Especially now he's playing well in Finland top league as 19 yrs old

 

[Jack DiBiase]

Olli is on fire! 4+4=8 in the past 6 games. The first 4 games were scoreless, making it total of 8 points in 10 games. Amazing pace for a 19-year-old playing his first pro games.

 

[Hokinaittii]

His goal from last night.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

His goal from last night.

I assume Liigahokii is your 2nd channel, thanks for uploading the highlights. Much easier to view than from Ruutu.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

No longer a bust?

 

[Ippenator]

No longer a bust?

Most likely not. Still kind of a project though. I’m not totally convinced with his attitude yet. But if he gets that completely fixed, he will be still most likely even a star player. All the talent is definitely there.

 

[1909]

Too early
Especially now he's playing well in Finland top league as 19 yrs old

... And Sergachev is playing rather well at NHL level....

 

[ijuka]

Yeah, he's been looking good now. Perhaps he merely needed an adjustment period. Hopefully he can keep this sort of a pace up.

 

[member 105785]

... And Sergachev is playing rather well at NHL level....

Not all players progress at the same pace, I remember infinite threads about how Curtis Lazar >>> Bo Horvat and how Lehner and Markstrom >>> Schneider. Even in 2009~HF I recall many believing that Toews was just a worse version of Ryan Kesler.

edit: source on lazar v horvat http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/bo-horvat-vs-curtis-lazar.1540689/page-2

 

[Elias Pettersson]

Not all players progress at the same pace, I remember infinite threads about how Casey Lazar >>> Bo Horvat and how Lehner and Markstrom >>> Schneider. Even in 2009~HF I recall many believing that Toews was just a worse version of Ryan Kesler.

It's the canucks haters man. Canuck prospects threads are way more full of other team fans when they're struggling like Virtanen or last year Juolevi.
Virtanen and juolevi thread MUCH more quiet now they're starting to do better.
When prospects are doing well, very few other team fans come in.. Like Boeser.

I'm not sure about the expiry dates on table salt, but this salt has lasted since 2011!

 

[Everblades13]

Not all players progress at the same pace, I remember infinite threads about how Curtis Lazar >>> Bo Horvat and how Lehner and Markstrom >>> Schneider. Even in 2009~HF I recall many believing that Toews was just a worse version of Ryan Kesler.

edit: source on lazar v horvat http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/bo-horvat-vs-curtis-lazar.1540689/page-2

I agree that it is too early, but the additional argument that maybe Juolevi >= Serg because Olli is playing well in Finland was a bad one.

 

[M2Beezy]

Not all players progress at the same pace, I remember infinite threads about how Curtis Lazar >>> Bo Horvat and how Lehner and Markstrom >>> Schneider. Even in 2009~HF I recall many believing that Toews was just a worse version of Ryan Kesler.

edit: source on lazar v horvat http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/bo-horvat-vs-curtis-lazar.1540689/page-2

That is the best link EVER

 

[member 105785]

That is the best link EVER

There was also a thread where a guy tried to make a bet that Akim Aliu would be an NHL player within the next 5 years in 2014 I think. Also one where a guy who didn't understand advanced stats tried to say that Raffi Torres must be better than Logan Couture because Torres was playing at a PPG pace and Couture wasn't, so adv stats are dumb for that reason.

I agree that it is too early, but the additional argument that maybe Juolevi >= Serg because Olli is playing well in Finland was a bad one.

I'd agree with that, I think the post was mainly saying that the draft pick doesn't sting as much because of his play of late, which I think is understandable.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Not all players progress at the same pace, I remember infinite threads about how Curtis Lazar >>> Bo Horvat and how Lehner and Markstrom >>> Schneider. Even in 2009~HF I recall many believing that Toews was just a worse version of Ryan Kesler.

edit: source on lazar v horvat http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/bo-horvat-vs-curtis-lazar.1540689/page-2

To be fair, even most on our own Board thought the Canucks should have taken Nichushkin over Horvat because he was in the NHL racking up points with Dallas.
Prospect development is not a race. It's entirely possible that both Sergachev and Juolevi end up being good picks. Hopefully they do.

 

[member 105785]

To be fair, even most on our own Board thought the Canucks should have taken Nichushkin over Horvat because he was in the NHL racking up points with Dallas.
Prospect development is not a race. It's entirely possible that both Sergachev and Juolevi end up being good picks. Hopefully they do.

Oh for sure, I completely agree and I recall Gillis being roasted over taking "another 3rd liner with a top 10 pick instead of taking the skilled Russian"

 

[ponder]

It's the canucks haters man. Canuck prospects threads are way more full of other team fans when they're struggling like Virtanen or last year Juolevi.
Virtanen and juolevi thread MUCH more quiet now they're starting to do better.
When prospects are doing well, very few other team fans come in.. Like Boeser.

I'm not sure about the expiry dates on table salt, but this salt has lasted since 2011!

The Nucks are my 2nd favourite team, but come on, Virtanen was an insanely bad pick. Nylander and Ehlers we’re both taken in the 3 picks after him, and both are ridiculously far ahead of Virtanen. With even mediocre drafting the Canucks have a star instead of a marginal NHLer.

As for Juolevi, it’s indeed too early to judge. With that being said, 3 of the next 4 picks were Keller, Tkachuk and Sergachev, who are all looking like stars, while Juolevi is definitely still a question mark. I’m sure most Nucks fans would easily trade Juolevi for any of those 3. It’s early days for the 2016 draft, and possible that Juolevi ends up a strong pick, but I do think it’s more likely that he ends up far below Keller, Tkachuk and Sergachev, and is viewed long term as a big miss.

The Nucks have certainly had some good picks recently, like Horvat and Boeser, but they also deserve criticism for the Virtanen pick, and the Juolevi pick is TBD-but-kinda-sketchy. We’re not talking mid-1st here, we’re talking about very high picks, when tonnes of too notch talent was on the board, that they definitely screwed up in Virtanen’s case, and likely screwed up in Juolevi’s case.

Can you imagine if the Nucks had drafted more for skill than 2-way play in those drafts, and taken Nylander and Sergachev instead of Virtanen and Juolevi? The rebuild would be complete already.

 

[groov2]

His goal from last night.

I am always so impressed with those muffins that he manages to get in the net.

 

[lawrence]

Looking like a stud. 7 points in his last 5 games. Started at 17 min per game up to 22.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Looking like a stud. 7 points in his last 5 games. Started at 17 min per game up to 22.

Certainly is encouraging to see as he looked very poor at camp.
I've always taken a patient approach with prospects and I've maintained with Juolevi that it's still too early to say whether or not he was the 'right' pick. Encouraging start though.

 

[Canucks LB]

The issue is his skating, its so average, he needs to work on it big time

 

[M2Beezy]

The Nucks are my 2nd favourite team, but come on, Virtanen was an insanely bad pick. Nylander and Ehlers we’re both taken in the 3 picks after him, and both are ridiculously far ahead of Virtanen. With even mediocre drafting the Canucks have a star instead of a marginal NHLer.

As for Juolevi, it’s indeed too early to judge. With that being said, 3 of the next 4 picks were Keller, Tkachuk and Sergachev, who are all looking like stars, while Juolevi is definitely still a question mark. I’m sure most Nucks fans would easily trade Juolevi for any of those 3. It’s early days for the 2016 draft, and possible that Juolevi ends up a strong pick, but I do think it’s more likely that he ends up far below Keller, Tkachuk and Sergachev, and is viewed long term as a big miss.

The Nucks have certainly had some good picks recently, like Horvat and Boeser, but they also deserve criticism for the Virtanen pick, and the Juolevi pick is TBD-but-kinda-sketchy. We’re not talking mid-1st here, we’re talking about very high picks, when tonnes of too notch talent was on the board, that they definitely screwed up in Virtanen’s case, and likely screwed up in Juolevi’s case.

Can you imagine if the Nucks had drafted more for skill than 2-way play in those drafts, and taken Nylander and Sergachev instead of Virtanen and Juolevi? The rebuild would be complete already.

Bingo. Like spot on and something a majority of us agree on 100% except for the Lawrences and Porsche Designs of HFBoards Canucks

 

[Elias Pettersson]

The Nucks are my 2nd favourite team, but come on, Virtanen was an insanely bad pick. Nylander and Ehlers we’re both taken in the 3 picks after him, and both are ridiculously far ahead of Virtanen. With even mediocre drafting the Canucks have a star instead of a marginal NHLer.

As for Juolevi, it’s indeed too early to judge. With that being said, 3 of the next 4 picks were Keller, Tkachuk and Sergachev, who are all looking like stars, while Juolevi is definitely still a question mark. I’m sure most Nucks fans would easily trade Juolevi for any of those 3. It’s early days for the 2016 draft, and possible that Juolevi ends up a strong pick, but I do think it’s more likely that he ends up far below Keller, Tkachuk and Sergachev, and is viewed long term as a big miss.

The Nucks have certainly had some good picks recently, like Horvat and Boeser, but they also deserve criticism for the Virtanen pick, and the Juolevi pick is TBD-but-kinda-sketchy. We’re not talking mid-1st here, we’re talking about very high picks, when tonnes of too notch talent was on the board, that they definitely screwed up in Virtanen’s case, and likely screwed up in Juolevi’s case.

Can you imagine if the Nucks had drafted more for skill than 2-way play in those drafts, and taken Nylander and Sergachev instead of Virtanen and Juolevi? The rebuild would be complete already.

um... where in my post did I say they were great picks? I even said they were struggling and used that as a point in my example. I think you missed my whole argument. The topic was about Canuck haters.

 

[RandV]

um... where in my post did I say they were great picks? I even said they were struggling and used that as a point in my example. I think you missed my whole argument. The topic was about Canuck haters.

It's not being a 'hater' pointing out bad picks are bad. And these are the main boards so of course you're getting input from other fans. There's always the usual Canadian city rivalries but you're only really hated when you're good and the Canucks have been completely irrelevant under Benning.

If more people are coming into a thread where a prospect is doing poorly it's probably because a train wreck is more interesting... and the prospect doing well thread is going to be overloaded with homerism.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

If more people are coming into a thread where a prospect is doing poorly it's probably because a train wreck is more interesting... and the prospect doing well thread is going to be overloaded with homerism.

that's the exact thing i'm pointing out.
When Canucks prospect does well = very few other team fans
When Canucks prospect does poor = much more other team fans
Not that hard of a concept to grasp.

 

[M2Beezy]

that's the exact thing i'm pointing out.
When Canucks prospect does well = very few other team fans
When Canucks prospect does poor = much more other team fans
Not that hard of a concept to grasp.

Means even when we are irelevant (like now and past 3-4 years) other fans still hate us enough to bring it up

Embrace it!