LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)

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Chychrun plays 31-33 mins a game. He plays every other shift. It's rare for him to sit out two shifts in a row. Furthermore, Sarnia is completely devoid of reliable puck movers. Their defense corps is weak. And the forwards either don't backcheck or are turnover machines (or both).

In our viewings, it's rare for Juolevi to play extended shifts simply because London is that good. As good and clean a game he plays, he's not the team leader or go-to guy for anything, as he's simply a high-profile piece on a team of a half-dozen high-profile pieces.

Sarnia might seem like they have big names, but everything begins and ends with Chychrun. His recovery time as an amateur is right up there with the greats - Leetch, Bourque, Pronger, Doughty, Chelios - meaning he's consistent shift to shift regardless of how much rest time he has in between. Hanifin's the same way. It's a rare and important trait.

To me, Juolevi hasn't been put through enough of a ringer in his draft year to call him the best. Regardless of whether it's his doing or not, he's playing with a 3-0 lead in the first period more than haalf the time. And for all the talk about his WJC if you analyze the film, he didn't play well at all in his own end when the scores were close and late.

I'm not dinging Juolevi for playing on a good team. It's not his fault. But his overall grade is somewhat incomplete simply because there's that "unknown" factor about how he'll perform on a bad team with bad goaltending and careless forwards. This might add years to his development, whereas Chychrun is somewhat more experienced to handle the rigors and tribulations of playing for a lottery team.

And if you review film on Chychrun, you'll see the bulk of his mistakes come at the end of shifts which are generally extended and longer than Juolevi's.
 
No matter how you slice it, Juolevi still was the Dman of the WJC statswise and just happened to took home da gold Also. This Chychrun something was left out from Team Canada cuz "we don't do it" -argument ("unless it's some serious ekblad"). Yet, Canada's D core was anything but impressive.

Go figure.
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Talk is cheap. Gimme even some corsi diipa daapa dii.
 
No matter how you slice it, Juolevi still was the Dman of the WJC statswise and just happened to took home da gold Also. This Chychrun something was left out from Team Canada cuz "we don't do it" -argument ("unless it's some serious ekblad"). Yet, Canada's D core was anything but impressive.

Go figure.
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Talk is cheap. Gimme even some corsi diipa daapa dii.


THIS!!:laugh:
 
Tyler Seguin didn't make team Canada.

Just this season Kyle Connor didn't make team USA.

Good players were in their place. Canada had a terrible tournament costing D. That he couldn't crack.
 
Good players were in their place. Canada had a terrible tournament costing D. That he couldn't crack.

He wasn't selected by what might be the worst coaching staff I've ever seen at the helm of Team Canada at the world juniors. I think Steve Spott might have been better than Lowry and Spott was horrible. Chychrun should've been on that team.
 
He wasn't selected by what might be the worst coaching staff I've ever seen at the helm of Team Canada at the world juniors. I think Steve Spott might have been better than Lowry and Spott was horrible. Chychrun should've been on that team.

Yeah it was actually pretty dumb he was left off. I had him pegged for a spot but it is rare they take a defencemen his age. Even so they should have.
 
Chychrun plays 31-33 mins a game. He plays every other shift. It's rare for him to sit out two shifts in a row. Furthermore, Sarnia is completely devoid of reliable puck movers. Their defense corps is weak. And the forwards either don't backcheck or are turnover machines (or both).

In our viewings, it's rare for Juolevi to play extended shifts simply because London is that good. As good and clean a game he plays, he's not the team leader or go-to guy for anything, as he's simply a high-profile piece on a team of a half-dozen high-profile pieces.

Sarnia might seem like they have big names, but everything begins and ends with Chychrun. His recovery time as an amateur is right up there with the greats - Leetch, Bourque, Pronger, Doughty, Chelios - meaning he's consistent shift to shift regardless of how much rest time he has in between. Hanifin's the same way. It's a rare and important trait.

To me, Juolevi hasn't been put through enough of a ringer in his draft year to call him the best. Regardless of whether it's his doing or not, he's playing with a 3-0 lead in the first period more than haalf the time. And for all the talk about his WJC if you analyze the film, he didn't play well at all in his own end when the scores were close and late.

I'm not dinging Juolevi for playing on a good team. It's not his fault. But his overall grade is somewhat incomplete simply because there's that "unknown" factor about how he'll perform on a bad team with bad goaltending and careless forwards. This might add years to his development, whereas Chychrun is somewhat more experienced to handle the rigors and tribulations of playing for a lottery team.

And if you review film on Chychrun, you'll see the bulk of his mistakes come at the end of shifts which are generally extended and longer than Juolevi's.

You definitely aren't the biggest fan of Juolevi and somehow missed the WJC's this year.
He's also a rookie in OHL and his 1st year in NA ice.
 
You definitely aren't the biggest fan of Juolevi and somehow missed the WJC's this year.
He's also a rookie in OHL and his 1st year in NA ice.
WJC's doesn't matter much at this point and the tournament was played on the big ice. Just please at once stop bringing the WJC's up all the time.
 
WJC's doesn't matter much at this point and the tournament was played on the big ice. Just please at once stop bringing the WJC's up all the time.

They matter in the way that he has "never been tested".
 
I can see Juolevi being a top pairing D man that eats a tonne of mins while playing in all situations of the game. I don't know what adjective best suits him yet. But his game has quality and class to it. Given a choice of Tkachuk or Chychrun. It is close. Playoffs will decide who is #4 IMO.
 
You definitely aren't the biggest fan of Juolevi and somehow missed the WJC's this year.
He's also a rookie in OHL and his 1st year in NA ice.

http://www.thedraftanalyst.com/2016-wjc-headquarters/

The WJC's were two weeks and we covered every second of it. Historically, it's a marginal barometer of NHL upside.

It's not that we're not his "biggest fan". He's ranked eighth on our latest draft rankings, up three spots from 11th in February.

He's simply not as complete a defender as Chychrun. At least in our view.
 
He played on a loaded team against other loaded teams. He's yet to play on a bad or average team against loaded teams, which is my point.

He played 30 mins against Canadas best forwards with a weak D-group, his partner won't see NHL, you just look at the forward group and forget the defensive group was the worst of out of the top teams.
How is that not being tested, he carried that defensive group to gold, I could say Chychrun hasn't been tested like that.

You see more and more tweets saying x prefers Juolevi over Chychrun/they are in the same tier or posters who see them play.
 
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He played 30 mins against Canadas best forwards with a weak D-group, his partner won't see NHL, you just look at the forward group and forget the defensive group was the worst of out of the top teams.
How is that not being tested, he carried that defensive group to gold, I could say Chychrun hasn't been tested like that.

You see more and more tweets saying x prefers Juolevi over Chychrun/they are in the same tier or posters who see them play.

You mean that Canadian team that won ONCE in regulation in the group stages with an almost even goal differential?Canada scored one ****ing goal vs Switzerland bro. Yeah no Finlands team >>>Canada. Chychrun gets tested every single game he plays. Lets not talk about the WJC. Its such an overrated tournament. If you need to use WJC to boost a player , then he probably isnt doing enough in his own league.
 
You mean that Canadian team that won ONCE in regulation in the group stages with an almost even goal differential?Canada scored one ****ing goal vs Switzerland bro. Yeah no Finlands team >>>Canada. Chychrun gets tested every single game he plays. Lets not talk about the WJC. Its such an overrated tournament. If you need to use WJC to boost a player , then he probably isnt doing enough in his own league.

It's fun how Strome+Marner+Barzal and others are now weak, and I just pointed out when a poster said hasn't been tested at all and gifted to play on good teams, that defense wasn't anything special and he played more than 1 game in Helsinki.

I also don't know why having fantastic tournaments are used against prospects when those weren't by luck.

And once more, more and more you see these days Juolevi being discussed in the same tier with Chychrun, some prefering Juolevi and some prefering Chychrun, which also is a hint that he isn't having a bad season in the OHL and isn't just living on the WJC tournament, and Chychrun isn't a rookie in the OHL.
 
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Forget the stats like how many points he had at the WJC, when you look at Juolevi you see he's got elite level hockey sense both in quality and speed of decision-making. Sam Reinhart went 2nd overall for that and not much else. It's a big deal esp. for a D at the next level, where the pace is faster and the pressure more furious. The best players in junior aren't always the best players in the NHL.

However I thought he was also the best D at the TPG. Every time he's been tested he's been the best. We'll see what happens in the OHL playoffs.
 
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Forget the stats like how many points he had at the WJC, when you look at Juolevi you see he's got elite level hockey sense both in quality and speed of decision-making. Sam Reinhart went 2nd overall for that and not much else. It's a big deal esp. for a D at the next level, where the pace is faster and the pressure more furious. The best players in junior aren't always the best players in the NHL.

However I thought he was also the best D at the TPG. Every time he's been tested he's been the best. We'll see what happens in the OHL playoffs.


Nice to read some unbiased common sense analysis here also. It's hockey sense or whatever you call that puts Juolevi in the true elite class.
 
Forget the stats like how many points he had at the WJC, when you look at Juolevi you see he's got elite level hockey sense both in quality and speed of decision-making. Sam Reinhart went 2nd overall for that and not much else. It's a big deal esp. for a D at the next level, where the pace is faster and the pressure more furious. The best players in junior aren't always the best players in the NHL.

However I thought he was also the best D at the TPG. Every time he's been tested he's been the best. We'll see what happens in the OHL playoffs.

Agree, if you can skate and have elite IQ you are pretty wanted.
I'm a big fan of Reinharts game.

Juolevi also turns 18y in May like Pulju and he's got the most room to develop physically(I'd bet) out of the top3 D-prospects and he plays for the Knights and gets to develop there.

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Agree, if you can skate and have elite IQ you are pretty wanted.
I'm a big fan of Reinharts game.

Juolevi also turns 18y in May like Pulju and he's got the most room to develop physically(I'd bet) out of the top3 D-prospects and he plays for the Knights and gets to develop there.

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This is fantastic news for me as a Coyotes fan. I really, really hope Juolevi goes earlier and leaves Chychrun for us! :clap:
 
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