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LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)

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For those who watch Juolevi and the Knights allot I am concerned that his scoring numbers are a bit modest. He is London's top scoring D man which is good but on a team that puts up so many points I would think he would be doing a bit better. Who is the D man deployed on the #1 PP unit? Any insights as to why he has put up 36 points in 51 games would help.

I loved his game at the WJHC with the Fins.
 
ps241 said:
For those who watch Juolevi and the Knights allot I am concerned that his scoring numbers are a bit modest. He is London's top scoring D man which is good but on a team that puts up so many points I would think he would be doing a bit better. Who is the D man deployed on the #1 PP unit? Any insights as to why he has put up 36 points in 51 games would help.

I loved his game at the WJHC with the Fins.
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He's on the top pp unit, but London runs a 4f-1d set up with Marner qbing it.
 
He's on the top PP most of the time, but Hunter likes putting Mete on the unit sometimes as well. I'd say 60/40 split.

Also very hard for them to put up points, the offence really goes through Marner and Dvo.
 
Mad Brills said:
Think he's a top 10 lock?
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Absolutely. Look at all the bottom 10 teams that need D's, especially LD's. At some point, one of these teams will grab Juolevi because he's damn good and fills a clear need:

Toronto (their prospect list is all forwards at the top)
Edmonton (goes without saying)
Buffalo (their LD is in dire need of help)
Winnipeg (ditto)
Arizona (their prospect list is all forwards at the top)
Montreal (we need LDs for the future)
Vancouver (also needs D for the future)
 
Marc the Habs Fan said:
Absolutely. Look at all the bottom 10 teams that need D's, especially LD's. At some point, one of these teams will grab Juolevi because he's damn good and fills a clear need:

Toronto (their prospect list is all forwards at the top)
Edmonton (goes without saying)
Buffalo (their LD is in dire need of help)
Winnipeg (ditto)
Arizona (their prospect list is all forwards at the top)
Montreal (we need LDs for the future)
Vancouver (also needs D for the future)
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Dermott and Nielsen are both in our top 8, and Zaitsev (we are front runners to sign him) should give us the flexibility to go BPA, we are also fairly LD heavy.
 
93LEAFS said:
Dermott and Nielsen are both in our top 8, and Zaitsev (we are front runners to sign him) should give us the flexibility to go BPA, we are also fairly LD heavy.
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Fine, plus there's no way Toronto falls below 4 at this point so I probably should not have included them...it's still 6 teams that would be clear fits for Juolevi in the top 10.
 
Buffalo definitely needs LD but they also need a winger for Eichel and I'd guess would rather acquire older LD that will be ready to go already.
 
Excluding the Canadian teams whom are in the top 3 sweepstakes, my take is as follows:

Buffalo: Could definitely use another LHD, and could have a Finnish D pairing for next 10yrs +. Good chance Buffalo have him high on their board.

Columbus: I don't see them being interested as other teams because Murray and Werenski. Jarmo does have the Finnish routes, but I don't think he worries about nationality. Moderate interest.

Phoenix: Have fantastic forward depth and Juolevi could be a good D stepping stone. High interest

Vancouver: Have drafted FWD recently, I could see them also looking at Juolevi if deemed to be BPA (vs Chychrun and Sergachev). High interest

Montreal: For some reason, I hesitate to say they'd be highhly interested in Juolevi (possibly because Montreal has been drafting size lately, but on the other hand don't have very many top LHD in their system). Would be a good fit, as he could replace Markov in a few years. High interest

Ottawa: This one is a tough one for me as well, I think they are content with their top 4, and have Chabot who is a good prospect. Would prefer to add a C with size (Dubois perhaps?). Low/moderate interest.

Carolina (currently 11th): I don't see them having a huge need, and while Francis has changed their draft history (Rutherford preferred not to draft D in first round), I don't see the high need. Low interest.

NJ (currently 12th): NJ is in a position to take Juolevi and could be a good fit. High interest

Philly (currently 13th): Too much depth here in my books. Probably will look forward. Low interest.
 
amack081 said:
Vancouver: Have drafted FWD recently, I could see them also looking at Juolevi if deemed to be BPA (vs Chychrun and Sergachev). High interest
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canucks.com poster said:
Went to townhall this morning, managed to talk to Benning afterwords for a little bit. I asked him out of the big three dmen which one he preferred. He liked Juolevi and rated him the highest of the threefor his smarts and calmness, likes sergachev's upside, and really didn't complement chychrun other than his NHL ready body.
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Think of that what you will. I can't speak to the poster's credibility, or whether or not this supposed conversation is an indication of what Vancouver plans on doing at the draft.
 
ps241 said:
For those who watch Juolevi and the Knights allot I am concerned that his scoring numbers are a bit modest. He is London's top scoring D man which is good but on a team that puts up so many points I would think he would be doing a bit better. Who is the D man deployed on the #1 PP unit? Any insights as to why he has put up 36 points in 51 games would help.

I loved his game at the WJHC with the Fins.
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As posted it's problem a 60/40- 50/50 split with Mete.
As well Hunter has the teams D looking to play D first. Just like with Matta don't be surprised if his PPG#s go up in the POs when the shackles come off.
He's got very good offensive instincts, good passer, knows when to jump in. Just a case of being held back a bit, for now.
 
Columbus have Seth Jones, too. Given that they dealt their best forward in Johansen in the process, I would think reinforcing their forward pool would take priority over defense at this point with Jones/Murray/Werenski. To say their current group isn't particularly amazing would be kind. Wennberg is the one person who stands out to me, and I may have rose-colored glasses on him from his draft year hype.
 
He was often the 4th link on that Puljujärvi-Aho-Laine line in the WJCs, and he was especially good on the PP. I wouldn't be worried about his offense.
 
Very smart player. Smooth smooth skater and has great two way ability. Looked better on the big ice during WJC, than he has on a consistent basis in London.

Looks like an absolute lock to be a top four defender in the NHL in the mold of Maata or Lindholm. I question his production at the next level. Looks more like a 30-40 point player to me than an impact offensive player.

Could go as early as #7 but almost assuredly gone by 11
 
I'm fairly confident that he'll become a consistent 40+ point per season two-way D. You rarely see that kind of vision and skill he showed in the WJC as an underager. Those skills should be transferable to the pro game as well.
 
Marc the Habs Fan said:
Absolutely. Look at all the bottom 10 teams that need D's, especially LD's. At some point, one of these teams will grab Juolevi because he's damn good and fills a clear need:

Toronto (their prospect list is all forwards at the top)
Edmonton (goes without saying)
Buffalo (their LD is in dire need of help)
Winnipeg (ditto)
Arizona (their prospect list is all forwards at the top)
Montreal (we need LDs for the future)
Vancouver (also needs D for the future)
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Toronto and Edmonton need RHD, not LHD
 
He's a smart defender from what I have seen. If I were to use a comparable I would say he could be a Hampus Lindholm.

I am starting to lean towards him as the best D man available in this draft. He has the hockey IQ to play the game on a high level.
 
Mike203 said:
Toronto and Edmonton need RHD, not LHD
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Rielly plays the right side as of now so if it was a really high end defenseman like Chychrun, I think we could deal with adding a guy like him.

We need to get a top line centre or a top pairing defenseman with this pick though that is for sure.
 
I get scary Gormley vibes. I watched a lot of Gormley as an amateur and always thought he was the safest of prospects with a very, very high floor. I've never been more wrong about a prospect. I never could have anticipated how the increased speed of the NHL game would totally overwhelm him and that he would completely fail to adapt in any way. He seemed so smart in junior and always made the right decisions. But the NHL took away some time and space and he became utterly useless.

How much quicker is Juolevi than Gormley? Does he move faster, think faster, and make plays faster? I didn't see that at the WJCs. I saw a very smooth, very effective player. But not necessarily a very quick one.

Sergachev seems quicker. More raw. More mistake prone. But quicker and with more "tools". Is that fair to say? OHL fans who have seen a lot of both should be able to compare the two pretty well.
 
rt said:
I get scary Gormley vibes. I watched a lot of Gormley as an amateur and always thought he was the safest of prospects with a very, very high floor. I've never been more wrong about a prospect. I never could have anticipated how the increased speed of the NHL game would totally overwhelm him and that he would completely fail to adapt in any way. He seemed so smart in junior and always made the right decisions. But the NHL took away some time and space and he became utterly useless.

How much quicker is Juolevi than Gormley? Does he move faster, think faster, and make plays faster? I didn't see that at the WJCs. I saw a very smooth, very effective player. But not necessarily a very quick one.

Sergachev seems quicker. More raw. More mistake prone. But quicker and with more "tools". Is that fair to say? OHL fans who have seen a lot of both should be able to compare the two pretty well.
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Juolevi adjusted to the high speed of the WJC much better than Gormley did and as an underager. He's also being coached by the Hunter's who know what it takes to play at the next level. I think he'll be fine just like Maatta was.
 


Wow, that is quite surprising to me. What's the thing that makes Juolevi so highly valued? His stat line certainly doesn't look that special to me. He was very good in the WJC but I doubt he'd go as high as 4 or before the likes of Tkachuk and Dubois.
 
wings5 said:
Juolevi adjusted to the high speed of the WJC much better than Gormley did and as an underager. He's also being coached by the Hunter's who know what it takes to play at the next level. I think he'll be fine just like Maatta was.
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You also have to remember that the WJC's were played on big ice.
I've watched a lot of London this year and he looks like a different player on small ice. He'll either adapt to NHL speed or it will eat him up.
 
JS91 said:


Wow, that is quite surprising to me. What's the thing that makes Juolevi so highly valued? His stat line certainly doesn't look that special to me. He was very good in the WJC but I doubt he'd go as high as 4 or before the likes of Tkachuk and Dubois.
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what's most absurd about this is that Tkachuk is currently the consensus #4.
 
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