thepuckmonster
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Part One: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1774043
Part One: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1774043
LD Ivan Provorov (2015, 7th, PHI) II
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Roo Mad Bro
U havin a giggle m8?
Tripod
I hate this team
Philly's defence is shaping up better than its have in a while. Provorov, Gostisbehere, Sanheim. All bluechippers there.
Vaclav Varada
CoJo
Tripod
I hate this team
Provy- CHL D man of the year
Ghost- Calder finalist
Sanheim- best PPG by a WHL Dman 20 years
Myers- QMJHL All Star
Friedman- WCHA AllStar...led league in D scoring.
That's a pretty good year for those guys to all have.
Best defensive prospect in hockey, and the only person close is Werenski, no one in this draft compares. Case could be made for Liljegren, but that requires a lot more projection. I said this before the memorial cup, and it stands today. I think he's more valuable than the 3OA in this draft, and I'd trade 4th or 5th for him without thinking twice. Its interesting though, been a long time since we've had an elite Russian D (Markov, but he entered the league a long time ago). Granted, his path to the NHL has been fairly unique.
Odd that you mention Werenski as the only one close as i see Werenski being even with Sanheim and many others
I don't see Sanheim as on the same tier as either of those two. He's a clear level below in my opinion, I can see how some might dispute that though.
Edit: And I don't seem to be alone in this opinion. Button, Pronman and THN Future's watch all had Werenski and Provorov higher, and in most cases by a sizeable margin.
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You seem to be of the majority opinion.... ive been reading up and Werenski is universally ranked higher.... to me Sanheim and Werenski are both offensive Dmen with average D. Provorov is the complete package. Maybe im selling Werenski short
Stephen
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I don't know to much about the existing Werenski vs Provorov debate, but I remember when it was rumored the Leafs were considering Provorov last year is Provorov's skating and puckhandling mechanics really bugged me. The reports have been glowing on both accounts, so I'm not really disputing that, but to my eyes he's just got these stiff, mechanical strides and this choppy puck handling that I just don't enjoy stylistically. Werenski looks like Hanifin out there. Just great mechanics, smooth, just screams elite.
Werenski and Provorov are in their own tier of blue chip defense prospects and then there is a considerable drop off to guys like Sanheim, Theodore, Olli etc.
Werenski was rated very high heading into last yea's draft just below Provorov but still a top 10 pick in a very stacked draft. He then had a great year this year in NCAA making legit improvements and then in the AHL playoffs had like 10 pts in his 1st 9 games which is pretty incredible as a 19 year old dman. His performance in the AHL playoffs has cemented him as 1A and 1B blue chip Defense prospect w/ Provorov.
You are right, and Im a Flyers fan. Werenski is the only guy in Provorov's tier and you could even rate him higher after his performance in the AHL playoffs. The Sanheim is in the next tier where he's not quite a blue chipper but a damn good prospect with serious potential with guys like Shea Theodore.
Provorov on paper is the best skater of the 3... he had the quickest shuttle time and lap time of all defenseman... for sure hes a better skater than Hanifin, by stats hes better than Werenski but i havent seen enough of him to make an honest assessment.
HighOFFHockey
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Awesome, but you forgot to mention that Morin was the best Dman on the Phantoms in his rookie season.
Stephen
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He may very well be, but I just have a hard time seeing it on the ice. He just doesn't look good motoring to where he's trying to get to, and I don't like his puckhandling mechanics. Just an aesthetic comment more than anything else.
FLYguy3911
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What happened to your boy Chychrun?
I don't know where you are getting that from. To my knowledge the 3 have never tested on the same ice together. Saying Provorov is "for sure" a better skater than Hanifin doesn't seem right to me either. Hanifin is a great skater. That is the one thing besides height I could definitively say Hanifin has on Provorov. I think Werenski is a better skater as well but that gap is a little closer imo.
He certainly has a unique style due to the abnormally long stick he uses for a player of his height-High elbow, two hands on the stick at all times when he is carrying the puck. But it works for him. I do think he is a little stiff (or at least more stiff than some other guys mentioned in this thread) but that can probably be attributed to his body type.
I still think Chychrun is the best D in this draft and would consider him at 4 if that is where the Leafs were drafting but Werenski and Provorov were both ahead at the time of there drafts of where Chychrun is now. I think 2015 was a much better draft in regards to depth and particularly in the way of D. But while Chychrun took steps forward in the 2nd half, he didn't take the jumps necessary for me to keep him above Provorov, and he's been behind Hanifin since at least November.What happened to your boy Chychrun?
Dr Jablonski PhD
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Does anyone object to the overwhelming opinion from the media that Provorov has basically earned a spot on the Flyers already? Anyone that has seen his preseason play?
Juicy Pop
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Nope. Provorov going back to Juniors would be a huge shock at this point based on his defensive play alone.
He won't go back, and I expect he'll get firm top 4 minutes from Day 1.
He is a remarkable prospect. A joy to watch. A slam dunk #1 defenseman.
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The Winter Soldier
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One of my favourite prospects of many from the 2015 draft. Banner year for draft +1 year crop for rookies this year. One thing I liked about Provorov that is not mentioned enough is he is an incredibly intelligent interview. I really wish him well in his first NHL season. Likeable young man. Great talent also.
Roo Mad Bro
U havin a giggle m8?
I'd be shocked if he isn't in the lineup opening night. He is logging huge minutes this preseason and passing every test.
