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LD Griffin Reinhart (2012, 4th, NYI; traded to EDM) II

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Wait - we're saying a team that has no shortage of talented forwards, should have or would have drafted yet another forward in Connor or Barzal?

No, if the Oilers had kept their picks, they would have drafted a defenseman. Thats why they traded those picks - they needed D.

Lets see how Chabot, Juulsen, Larsson, etc develop to compare.
 
Lacaar said:
The biggest reason I'm calling this trade a fail is that they wanted someone who was NHL ready or close to.

I don't lament much on losing Barzal or Connor who could be good hockey players.
As I have absolutely no faith in the Oilers scouts.. especially at the time. To come out with those picks with anyone decent.

They'd piss it away drafting.. they just went a different route then normal and pissed them away with a trade.
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Just because Reinhart didn't meet Chia's initial sell-job doesn't mean he won't be a good NHL Dman some day. He's 22.

You also are implying that there were established veterans out there for trade for those picks. Reinhart wasn't the Dman we needed but he is further along than anyone we would have drafted that day. There was also the chance that he could have been the Dman Chia hoped. At that point he was a disappointing pick for a 4th overall, but was a good AHL dman with limited NHL time.
 
Mr Positive said:
Just because Reinhart didn't meet Chia's initial sell-job doesn't mean he won't be a good NHL Dman some day. He's 22.

You also are implying that there were established veterans out there for trade for those picks. Reinhart wasn't the Dman we needed but he is further along than anyone we would have drafted that day. There was also the chance that he could have been the Dman Chia hoped. At that point he was a disappointing pick for a 4th overall, but was a good AHL dman with limited NHL time.
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I do know that if they played it well they would have Barzal/Connor and Aho in the system ready to dangle for that right shot d-man.

Much stronger trade chips than Reinhart.

They've yet to get any value out of those two picks and there's a lot of justified concern over Reinharts game.
 
Also, Reinhart is 22. I wasn't aware he was never going to get better than he is right now.
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Luke schenn was 22 when he got moved for JVR.

Sometimes he is what eh is.
 
teravaineSAROS said:
Agreed. We could've stuck with keeping Hall and just stack things up with forwards without bringing in a higher calibre defenseman because it's worked so well in recent years :sarcasm:
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Exactly. Larsson will be a work horse for us and help Klefbom develop into a #1.

I'm happy with the direction we're heading in, our team is deeper and actually has a vision towards trying to build a winner and surround McDavid with the players he needs.
 
Strait2thecup said:
don't really understand your post but you do know the isles got beauvillier from the reinhart trade too right? Pretty sure your supporting his point:laugh:
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Beauvillier wasnt picked by a former Oiler pick. 16th and 33rd..
Even if they did it would not have gotten the Oilers closer to Subban. (which was 'his point')
 
snipes said:
Yeah not a great trade, Chia has taken a few gambles this one didn't pay off.

He made good deals getting Talbot and Maroon. He's actively trying to build a better roster around McDavid, overall I'm happy with Chia. He's brought a vision and he's making our roster better I think.

But yeah, Griffin was a gamble that hasn't paid off for sure. I also think it's way too early to write Griffin off completely, he's hardly the first young Dman to struggle. He's got enough hockey IQ that he can be a serviceable #5/6 if he takes some time to improve his skating and diligently works at it. He needs a few years in the AHL.
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i think this hurts a lot less now that the Oilers were handed what could be an NHL ready Jesse Puljujarvi on a silver platter. thanks Columbus! and with college free agent Drake Caggiula also knocking on the NHL's door this pre-season, i'm starting to not worry so much about not getting one of Barzal/Connor/Svechnikov/Samsonov. but ya, Griffin is defensively sound but SO slow! not looking like a good trade but *remember at the time Chia was looking for older, more NHL ready prospects* and Reinhart fit the bill and was recommended by our head scout Bob Green who had been with the Oil Kings and "seen him good". :dunno:
 
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I hated that trade from the second I heard it. Reinhart's stock had already dropped a lot at the time of that trade.
You don't give up anything for guys who can't skate. It doesn't matter if he's "Young", you won't gain foot speed.
The last thing the Oilers needed was to trade for another prospect. They needed a proven D. Terrible first move by Chia as GM.
 
North said:
Should be noted as well, no one involved in the trade has proven anything so it's a little premature to call it a debacle.

Also, Reinhart is 22. I wasn't aware he was never going to get better than he is right now.
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You're letting age blind you here. He won't get better. He's painfully slow.
In 2016' you cannot be that slow.
 
LeafFever said:
You're letting age blind you here. He won't get better. He's painfully slow.
In 2016' you cannot be that slow.
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Interesting, first I've heard that skating cannot be improved.

In any event, he needs multiple years in the AHL.
 
LeafFever said:
I hated that trade from the second I heard it. Reinhart's stock had already dropped a lot at the time of that trade.
You don't give up anything for guys who can't skate. It doesn't matter if he's "Young", you won't gain foot speed.
The last thing the Oilers needed was to trade for another prospect. They needed a proven D. Terrible first move by Chia as GM.
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the Oilers have this obsession with d-men that can't skate....taking Alex Plante in 2007 should have taught them something but nope....they trade for Colton Teubert and Griffin Reinhart, and they draft David Musil, Ben Betker....if i'm the Oilers, i'm trying not only to become as defensively sound as I can but also as fleet of foot as I can on the back end.
 
snipes said:
Interesting, first I've heard that skating cannot be improved.

In any event, he needs multiple years in the AHL.
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^will multiple years in the AHL improve his speed? because he proved last year that he's quite defensively sound and less of a train wreak than Nurse has been so far.
 
Little late to the party, eh? It was laughably bad the moment it happened. Everyone knew it was a super deep and talented draft class. Dumb dumb dumb.
 
Mr Positive said:
Just because Reinhart didn't meet Chia's initial sell-job doesn't mean he won't be a good NHL Dman some day. He's 22.

You also are implying that there were established veterans out there for trade for those picks. Reinhart wasn't the Dman we needed but he is further along than anyone we would have drafted that day. There was also the chance that he could have been the Dman Chia hoped. At that point he was a disappointing pick for a 4th overall, but was a good AHL dman with limited NHL time.
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Reinhart couldn't skate or play on the day he was traded, and nothing has changed since then. Pretty safe to say he will never amount to anything.
 
snipes said:
Ummm, you are objectively wrong. See: John Tavares, et al.
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John Tavares is a best case scenario, it isn't as simple as 'Tavares did so Reinhart can to'. JT is more outlier than norm.

This is Reinhart's Draft+5 season and will be 23 in January, his skating has marginally improved over the years and is unlikely to make a quantum leap at this point. He needs to focus on what will make him effective - positioning, decision making, and physicality.
 
snipes said:
Ummm, you are objectively wrong. See: John Tavares, et al.
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Not that I agree with the guy you're arguing with, but Tavares has not gotten faster (well, maybe a little). He's become an extremely strong skater with a really low center of gravity. He can't be knocked off the puck like he could his rookie year when he was a twig.
 
SLAPSHOT723 said:
Not that I agree with the guy you're arguing with, but Tavares has not gotten faster (well, maybe a little). He's become an extremely strong skater with a really low center of gravity. He can't be knocked off the puck like he could his rookie year when he was a twig.
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Draisaitl is another recent example. A huge part of improving foot speed is improving form and mechanics. It's harder for some than others, but there's no question it can be improved.

Regardless, from what I've seen so far this preseason from him, his foot speed isn't what's causing his problems. His play recognition is lacking and he's late to react. And considering that wasn't much of an issue last season is a tad concerning. Hopefully its just preseason rust, but we'll see.
 
belair said:
Draisaitl is another recent example. A huge part of improving foot speed is improving form and mechanics. It's harder for some than others, but there's no question it can be improved.
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Yup, nice to hear that about Draisaitl.

Tavares also has always been an extremely agile player, like a ninja. One second he's one place, the next he's in open ice ready to pounce on the rebound with no one covering him. Getting stronger on his skates was more important than getting faster.
 
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