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LD Darnell Nurse (2013, 7th, EDM)

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Glad he has steadily put weight on instead of a instant bulk up. Should be 220 when he is done i bet.
Loik Leveille 5'9 228lbs....lol thats a fire hydrant. Almost like Ray Bourque was.
 
Not to belabour the point but I pulled up his draft (see the 2 minute mark)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOvx219Y_TM

Maybe it's the vest / 3 piece suit, but he does not look lanky to me. Even the TSN people mentioned his build - Ray Ferrero called him "stout". Anyway, obviously he's bulked up since then... good for him. I wish him all the best.
 
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Mark Kandy said:
Is there a credible source saying that his weight is now at 220 pounds?
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The Oilers twitter said he is up 20lbs from last September. He was listed at 200/205lbs then.


They have him at 213lbs on the roster sheet, but a lot of the heights/weights on there look wonky.

193lbs to 213lbs would make sense as the 20lb gain if last season's numbers were off.
 
He will be a top pairing defenseman, no doubt about it. He can honestly play 35 minutes a game and be fine.
 
I don't think he'll become a huge offensive threat at the NHL level, but his mobility is his biggest asset. He's big, mean and can skate at an elite level.
 
MisterD said:
I don't think he'll become a huge offensive threat at the NHL level, but his mobility is his biggest asset. He's big, mean and can skate at an elite level.
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This is why I think he'll be a really good #3 guy but not someone that should be full time on the top pairing. Need better offensive instincts to play consistently with the top line forwards on the ice
 
Homesick said:
This is why I think he'll be a really good #3 guy but not someone that should be full time on the top pairing. Need better offensive instincts to play consistently with the top line forwards on the ice
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I think he's a top pairing Dman down the road, but just won't be able to provide a tonne of offense. However, if he's able to improve on his shot and become a threat on the PP, sky is the limit.
 
topshelf15 said:
Yep i remember all these exact things, were said about our big man on defense.Defensemen take time remember that edm ,if he struggles :nod:
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You want a d that reduces the pucks directed at the net.
J. schultz averaged 63.00+
52.00 or less is considered very good.

Nurse played 2 games last year.
Faced 3rd comp 45.38 CA/60

Since 07-08 (8yr) our D and there CA/60 Average
52.00 or lower is considered good
Tarnstrom - 07-08 - (50.57)
—————————————————————
Vishnovsky – 08-09 to 09-10 – (54.04)
Klefbom – 14-15 – (54.40)
Nikitin – 14-15 – (54.98)
Sutton – 11-12 – (55.79)
Potter -11-12 to 12-13 - (56.63)
Gilbert – 07-08 to 11-12 – (56.74)
Pitikainen – 07-08 – (56.78)
Greene – 07-08 – (56.99)
Souray – 07-08 to 09-10 – (57.13)
Marincin – 13-14 to 14-15 – (57.39)
Fistric – 12-13 – (57.45)
Smid – 07-08 to 12-13 – (57.72)
Belov – 13-14 – (57.54)
Van der Meer – 10-11 – (57.69)
Grebeshkov – 07-08 to 0910 – (57.85)
Staios – 07-08 to 09-10 – (59.77)
Foster – 10-11 – (59.95)
Tuebert– 11-12 – (60.14)
Whitney – 9-10 to 12-13 – (60.63)
Peckham – 08-09 to 11-12 – (61.12)
N. Schultz– 11-12 to 13-14 – (61.13)
J. schultz – 12-13 to 14-15 – (61.15)
Ference – 13-14 to 14-15 – (62.12)
Barker – 11-12 – (62.45)
Aulie – 14-15 – (62.99)
Chorney – 9-10 to 10-11 – (67.56)
By games that is 0.8 % of the games with Quality D play.

Now you can generate a curve/Spline for each golaies EVGA vs CA/60

Our 2 current Goalies

Scrivens CA vs EVGA curve
65.00+ – 3.40
59.00 – 2.90
55.00 – 2.77
53.00 – 2.66
50.00 – 2.30
48.00 – 2.10
Does not bail out any team.


Talbot
46.00 CA/60 1.20 EVGA
49.00 CA/60 1.70
52.00 CA/60 1.95
55.00 CA/60 2.10
58.00 Ca/60 2.45
might be best in League.

Our Current D with best situational comp.
Player - (Comp) - (Ca/60) - [Expected EVGA Talbot] - {Expected EVGA scrivens}

Fayne (1st) (42.25) – [<1.20] – {<2.10}
Nurse (2nd/3rd) (45.38) – [<1.20] – {<2.10}
Nikitin (2nd) (49.32) – [1.72] – {2.23}
Gryba (2nd) (49.98) – [1.75] – {2.30}
Sekura (1st) (51.39) – [1.83] – {2.47}
Klefbom (2nd) (52.97) – [2.00] – {2.66}
Schultz (3rd) (55.60) – [2.40] – {2.80}
Rheinhardt racked 44.02 Ca/60 facing 3rd comp with Dehaan.
This is why Chiarelli suspects he is ready for a steady gig.
Protects the box and can make the pass.


Just a completely diffrent level of CA/60 D and Goalie added.
Except for Schultz.
Scrivens got to go.

Chiarelli talks about 8 D to start the year.
 
oilerbear said:
You want a d that reduces the pucks directed at the net.
J. schultz averaged 63.00+
52.00 or less is considered very good.

Nurse played 2 games last year.
Faced 3rd comp 45.38 CA/60

Since 07-08 (8yr) our D and there CA/60 Average
52.00 or lower is considered good
Tarnstrom - 07-08 - (50.57)
—————————————————————
Vishnovsky – 08-09 to 09-10 – (54.04)
Klefbom – 14-15 – (54.40)
Nikitin – 14-15 – (54.98)
Sutton – 11-12 – (55.79)
Potter -11-12 to 12-13 - (56.63)
Gilbert – 07-08 to 11-12 – (56.74)
Pitikainen – 07-08 – (56.78)
Greene – 07-08 – (56.99)
Souray – 07-08 to 09-10 – (57.13)
Marincin – 13-14 to 14-15 – (57.39)
Fistric – 12-13 – (57.45)
Smid – 07-08 to 12-13 – (57.72)
Belov – 13-14 – (57.54)
Van der Meer – 10-11 – (57.69)
Grebeshkov – 07-08 to 0910 – (57.85)
Staios – 07-08 to 09-10 – (59.77)
Foster – 10-11 – (59.95)
Tuebert– 11-12 – (60.14)
Whitney – 9-10 to 12-13 – (60.63)
Peckham – 08-09 to 11-12 – (61.12)
N. Schultz– 11-12 to 13-14 – (61.13)
J. schultz – 12-13 to 14-15 – (61.15)
Ference – 13-14 to 14-15 – (62.12)
Barker – 11-12 – (62.45)
Aulie – 14-15 – (62.99)
Chorney – 9-10 to 10-11 – (67.56)
By games that is 0.8 % of the games with Quality D play.

Now you can generate a curve/Spline for each golaies EVGA vs CA/60

Our 2 current Goalies

Scrivens CA vs EVGA curve
65.00+ – 3.40
59.00 – 2.90
55.00 – 2.77
53.00 – 2.66
50.00 – 2.30
48.00 – 2.10
Does not bail out any team.


Talbot
46.00 CA/60 1.20 EVGA
49.00 CA/60 1.70
52.00 CA/60 1.95
55.00 CA/60 2.10
58.00 Ca/60 2.45
might be best in League.

Our Current D with best situational comp.
Player - (Comp) - (Ca/60) - [Expected EVGA Talbot] - {Expected EVGA scrivens}

Fayne (1st) (42.25) – [<1.20] – {<2.10}
Nurse (2nd/3rd) (45.38) – [<1.20] – {<2.10}
Nikitin (2nd) (49.32) – [1.72] – {2.23}
Gryba (2nd) (49.98) – [1.75] – {2.30}
Sekura (1st) (51.39) – [1.83] – {2.47}
Klefbom (2nd) (52.97) – [2.00] – {2.66}
Schultz (3rd) (55.60) – [2.40] – {2.80}
Rheinhardt racked 44.02 Ca/60 facing 3rd comp with Dehaan.
This is why Chiarelli suspects he is ready for a steady gig.
Protects the box and can make the pass.


Just a completely diffrent level of CA/60 D and Goalie added.
Except for Schultz.
Scrivens got to go.

Chiarelli talks about 8 D to start the year.
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Interesting stats, but you can't use them in a vacuum, otherwise you get a D group of:

Klefbom - Nikitin
Potter - Sutton
Gilbert - Pitkanen

And think that will be a solid group to win you games.
 
McDNicks17 said:
The Oilers twitter said he is up 20lbs from last September. He was listed at 200/205lbs then.


They have him at 213lbs on the roster sheet, but a lot of the heights/weights on there look wonky.

193lbs to 213lbs would make sense as the 20lb gain if last season's numbers were off.
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Okay thanks!
 
MisterD said:
Interesting stats, but you can't use them in a vacuum, otherwise you get a D group of:

Klefbom - Nikitin
Potter - Sutton
Gilbert - Pitkanen

And think that will be a solid group to win you games.
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Were did we finnish each year?
52.00 or less is good
 
RazorRamon said:
The only thing I didn't like about Calgary selecting Monahan was that it left this kid hanging around for the Oilers. He's going to be a force.
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The only thing that bugged me about us getting Nurse was that it meant CGY had just selected Monahan.

2 right choices for those picks, CGY needed the centre more, we needed the D-Man.

Both teams got the right guy, but either would have been well served with the other.
 
Pretty jealous of Edm. Nurse is just a nasty man. He can protect and look over the skilled youngsters if they ever take a dirty hit or cheap shot, all while being an extremely talented dman. You dont see that very often in todays NHL
 
oilerbear said:
You want a d that reduces the pucks directed at the net.
J. schultz averaged 63.00+
52.00 or less is considered very good.

Nurse played 2 games last year.
Faced 3rd comp 45.38 CA/60

Since 07-08 (8yr) our D and there CA/60 Average
52.00 or lower is considered good
Tarnstrom - 07-08 - (50.57)
—————————————————————
Vishnovsky – 08-09 to 09-10 – (54.04)
Klefbom – 14-15 – (54.40)
Nikitin – 14-15 – (54.98)
Sutton – 11-12 – (55.79)
Potter -11-12 to 12-13 - (56.63)
Gilbert – 07-08 to 11-12 – (56.74)
Pitikainen – 07-08 – (56.78)
Greene – 07-08 – (56.99)
Souray – 07-08 to 09-10 – (57.13)
Marincin – 13-14 to 14-15 – (57.39)
Fistric – 12-13 – (57.45)
Smid – 07-08 to 12-13 – (57.72)
Belov – 13-14 – (57.54)
Van der Meer – 10-11 – (57.69)
Grebeshkov – 07-08 to 0910 – (57.85)
Staios – 07-08 to 09-10 – (59.77)
Foster – 10-11 – (59.95)
Tuebert– 11-12 – (60.14)
Whitney – 9-10 to 12-13 – (60.63)
Peckham – 08-09 to 11-12 – (61.12)
N. Schultz– 11-12 to 13-14 – (61.13)
J. schultz – 12-13 to 14-15 – (61.15)
Ference – 13-14 to 14-15 – (62.12)
Barker – 11-12 – (62.45)
Aulie – 14-15 – (62.99)
Chorney – 9-10 to 10-11 – (67.56)
By games that is 0.8 % of the games with Quality D play.

Now you can generate a curve/Spline for each golaies EVGA vs CA/60

Our 2 current Goalies

Scrivens CA vs EVGA curve
65.00+ – 3.40
59.00 – 2.90
55.00 – 2.77
53.00 – 2.66
50.00 – 2.30
48.00 – 2.10
Does not bail out any team.


Talbot
46.00 CA/60 1.20 EVGA
49.00 CA/60 1.70
52.00 CA/60 1.95
55.00 CA/60 2.10
58.00 Ca/60 2.45
might be best in League.

Our Current D with best situational comp.
Player - (Comp) - (Ca/60) - [Expected EVGA Talbot] - {Expected EVGA scrivens}

Fayne (1st) (42.25) – [<1.20] – {<2.10}
Nurse (2nd/3rd) (45.38) – [<1.20] – {<2.10}
Nikitin (2nd) (49.32) – [1.72] – {2.23}
Gryba (2nd) (49.98) – [1.75] – {2.30}
Sekura (1st) (51.39) – [1.83] – {2.47}
Klefbom (2nd) (52.97) – [2.00] – {2.66}
Schultz (3rd) (55.60) – [2.40] – {2.80}
Rheinhardt racked 44.02 Ca/60 facing 3rd comp with Dehaan.
This is why Chiarelli suspects he is ready for a steady gig.
Protects the box and can make the pass.


Just a completely diffrent level of CA/60 D and Goalie added.
Except for Schultz.
Scrivens got to go.

Chiarelli talks about 8 D to start the year.
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Very smart move ,we still run 8 .It gives you more options ,when trying to salt ,young dmen .
 
Darnell Nurse: CHL Statistical Comparables and Expectations

In my latest post I try to find CHL players drafted between 1998 and 2009 who posted similar numbers to Darnell Nurse. I also look into how those comparable players performed in their third season after their draft year and what expectations a fan should have for Nurse, in his rookie season, if they expect him to become a #1 d-man.
 
I don't think it inspires more confidence in Oilers fans knowing that Jakub Kindl is the closest comparable for adjusted point totals in Draft +1,+2 years.
 
I do think he will have the ability to be a #2. I agree a #1 is too far fetched given his offensive upside and the mistakes he still makes.
 
These numbers do look very solid coupled with his unnatural speed for his size I know he's a player I can't wait to see, still deciding between a Nurse jersey or a Mcdavid
 
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