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I don't see the offensive IQ of Seabrook in Nurse's game at all.
Either way, Seabrook would certainly be a #1 on some teams (such as Edmonton), but ideally you wouldn't want him in that role if you were looking to contend for the Cup... Which is exactly the point that poster was trying to make.
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I hate this line of thought... Bozak would be (and is) a #1C on some teams... Doesn't mean he's actually a #1C. My definition of a #1C and/or #1D is a guy you would be alright with playing on your Stanley Cup calibre team as the best player at his position. Why would you consider somebody a #1 defenseman if you're not happy with them as your #1 defenseman when you're competing for the cup?
I don't think Seabrook could lead another team as their best defenseman to a championship on a typical playoff team. I personally think without Keith on his pairing and Hjalmarsson's pairing getting tasked with shutting down the top opposition, that most people would see that Seabrook is no more than a good #2. Hell, during their last championship run, CHI fans were very upset with his playoff performance until he scored his OT winners.
Anyways, back onto Nurse... If his ceiling is actually a Seabrook-level hockey player, then that just confirms my belief that he'll likely be a #2 or awesome #3 on a stanley cup contending team.
Edith: Thanks to Phrenssoa... Exactly what I was trying to get at. He's a great prospect, I just think EDM needs a better prospect to be their #1 Dman (which they might get as a return if they do end up dealing one of their young forwards).
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Not trying to be rude and I didn't watch Nurse play tonight... However, you've been pumping him a lot in this thread and I'd like for somebody else to weigh in on whether he actually looked "incredible" like you say.
Without watching the game I find it hard to believe Nurse was great in a game where he was only a +1 despite the EVS goals being 5-0 in favour of SSM, the player Nurse was apparently tasked to shut down got a hat trick, he only had 1 assist which came on the PP, he wasn't one of the three stars, and his team got outshot 42-31. In addition, after watching the highlights posted on the OHL website I noticed Nurse stand out 3 times (1 time he had a shot in the slot after an Erie giveaway and the other 2 times were weak defensive play on 2 of McDavid goals).
This stat line/limited highlights don't scream "incredible" and actually screams bad to me. I know stats aren't everything, but I'd like for somebody else to chime in how he played last night before I take your word for it considering your post history in this thread.
Again, before people jump down my throat for just stat watching, I'm trying to ask for other people's opinions and pointing out that his stat line and snippets from the highlight video aren't promising. However, I know there's a lot more to it than that and I just want other people's opinions as I'm interested in him as a prospect.
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People that actually watch him like him. Another reason highlight watching is pointless.
Seabrook isn't a bad comparison. Though I've only watched like a handful of games lol.
I don't see him as a #1 PP option in the NHL though.
I don't see him as a #1 PP option in the NHL though.
I watched the game too and thought he was very good (particularly defensively), but I wouldn't say he was "incredible." The thing is, you should expect Nurse to dominate the OHL at this stage in his career.
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The only sniff mcdavid got even strength was on a breakaway when nurse wasn't on the ice. Not a single mcdavid goal was nurses fault. First goal was a horrible rebound that was bouncing when nurse had a chance to maybe clear it, mcdavid was the other dman's guy. Second goal pretty much same thing, other dman didn't cover mcdavid. Third goal the forwards gave mcdavid way too much room to walk into the high slot. Not saying nurse is a guarantee top pairing d in the NHL, but you really should have no part in this conversation if you didn't watch the game
Seabrook being the number 1 in Edmonton would be exactly like Phaneuf being the #1 in Toronto lmao.
I'm just saying if Oilers fans are thinking he's gonna be Seabrook they'll need another quality top pairing Dman.
As a Seabrook caliber player can't headline a winning blueline imo.
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That's why I asked for other people's opinions on his game last night... I wanted a different opinion than topchowda's as, if I recall correctly, he said that the last game Nurse played against Guelph was "one of his best games of the playoffs" and I strongly disagreed (I was at that game in person). I personally thought that Nurse was not a standout in his last game vs. Guelph and wasn't even one of the top 5 players for SSM that game. I never said that he wouldn't be a top pairing dman in the NHL, but I was curious for another opinion because his statline certainly wasn't "incredible" and I was hoping non-EDM fans that saw the game would give their thoughts.
A couple other people said he was great/good which I believe more than one person saying he was incredible... I was just hoping to get other people's opinions on him as I'm interested in his development and missed the game.
I wasn't trying to say stats were the be-all to determining how a prospect (especially a defenseman) played, but when a player players incredible they usually have a good stat line from that game too.... Obviously they can be great with a poor showing on their personal scoreboard, so that's why I asked for more opinions on his game.
Also, one thing I can comment on is the goals as there are highlights of them... The first goal against he had a chance to clear although it was a difficult play as he swatted at the puck and missed. The 2nd goal he was running around in the defensive zone and was pressuring the points at one point which seems odd for a defenseman to do. Agreed on the 3rd goal, that's just classic McDavid on that one.
Anyways, moving on... Didn't mean to offend anybody and I know a statline doesn't determine everything. I'm hoping to catch the next few Erie vs. SSM games to watch McDavid/Strome/Nurse/Ritchie play in this series. Hoping Erie's defense can tighten up and Strome to turn it up so that they can make this a series. SSM has just been demolishing everybody so far these playoffs with no real threat. Would have been pretty awesome to see this SSM vs. last year's Guelph. Not sure which team would win that, but biased me would hope for Guelph.
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I do not understand either the hype or the criticism. Nurse went 7th OA in 2013. Since then he has basically played in the OHL. He was called up in the NHL last season for 2 games.
For those who hype him, a 7th overall should dominate in the OHL. For those who criticize him, d-men take awhile to develop in the minors. For the rest of us, conventional wisdom suggests that a D-man needs to play 200 games in the NHL to be fairly evaluated; Nurse has played 2.
My questions really stem from the tendency of prior Oiler management to rush prospects. Why was Nurse relegated to the minors when the need for D was huge? Is he the exception that proves the rule? Was he completely unready? What is the real story?
For those who hype him, a 7th overall should dominate in the OHL. For those who criticize him, d-men take awhile to develop in the minors. For the rest of us, conventional wisdom suggests that a D-man needs to play 200 games in the NHL to be fairly evaluated; Nurse has played 2.
My questions really stem from the tendency of prior Oiler management to rush prospects. Why was Nurse relegated to the minors when the need for D was huge? Is he the exception that proves the rule? Was he completely unready? What is the real story?
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I guess we'll differ on opinions for that game... But I think Nick Ritchie, Bryan Moore, Halverson, Tolchinsky, and Mccann were better for SSM in that particular game. To me, I thought SSM played a good defensive structure game, but none of their defensemen that game actually looked great. They just did their job efficiently and did okay, but Halversson bailed them out quite a few times.
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Was the exception. Sent down because klefbom and marincin emerged as LHD at the same time and all 3 needed same minutes. Klefbom and marincin are older so get priority
1st NHL pre game Nurse was a beast, shut down the sedins and looked NHL ready. 2nd year looked NHL ready but would need sheltering. I think management realized they need to develop him right, that is why he was sent down. LD had 38 games before they realized it, even though by game 30 he looked NHL ready
So it was a combo of klefbom emerging and management being smart
So essentially, "why are they rushing their prospects and ruining them" becomes "why are they holding their prospects in the minors, what's wrong with their prospects"...
The Oil never rush D. Look at Marincin, Klefbom etc..
Forwards on the other hand..
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Nurse took on mcdavid in the first in a pretty sweet play. Had Mcdavid one on one from red line on with mcdavid turning on the jets. Matched mcdavid stride for stride and shut him down to the outside. I think there are VERY few D that could handle that situation and not get burned. Just played it beautifully
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SOO must have defied physics and found a way to clone Nurse. Because it looks like there is 3 Nurses on the ice at all time. Playing massive minutes (not sure if hes ever off). Back to defend againt McDavid, then leading the rush, then forechecking, then somehow first man back
He is everywhere and anywhere
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