Whatever happened to a great Wisconsin program. Nowadays, everyone just wants to get out of there or stay far away from it.
LD Brady Cleveland - Univ. of Wisconsin, NCAA (2023, 47th, DET)
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WarriorofTime
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They had a really good season. Coach they hired just isn’t particularly young nhl prospect favorable.
Well yes, but it's no longer a program where big talents want to go. They have lost their status as one of those big time programs where a lot of NHL talent wants to go.
WarriorofTime
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There were two different things addressed that are related but not the same. You can be a great program while also not necessarily being one where a lot of first and second round talent goes. The reason for that is the coach.
Yes, but Wisconsin was one of them for a long time. Now it almost feels like it's all about BC, BU and Michigan. That's a bit of a shame.
WarriorofTime
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Minnesota too.
MSU starting to become that too with current coach in my opinion.
Denver a bit of a hybrid. Wins a lot of national championships and has good nhl talent but not as one and done focused.
Hockeyville USA
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Wisconsin doesn't have an elite pool of in state talent. There are some, but not many. Their main talent pool pipeline is essentially Illinois (Chicago area), which they have to battle Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, & others for players.
Wisconsin has to battle Minnesota, North Dakota, Minnesota Duluth, St Cloud State, and now Denver for the top Minnesotans. Even Notre Dame pulls some solid Minnesotans. They have to battle North Dakota, Denver, & Michigan for the top Western Canadians and they're unlikely to get many Eastern Canadians. New Englanders & New Yorkers rarely go to Wisconsin.
Hockeyville USA
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GoBoltz56
Baked Raymond, bruh
He had a point and it wasn't huge news??? I'm surprised
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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Isn't he more of a stay-at-home, almost old school defensive dman type of d ?
Oddbob
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Yes, but Wings fans almost universally hate this pick and have really grabbed on to his lack of offence in his career thus far, including before college. Hate cause he was a 2nd round pick, if he was a 5th rounder he would get no hate.
BKarchitect
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Technically he was their 5th pick of the draft so…5th rounder?
Pretty incredible that they hoarded 5 of the first 47 picks that year. They definitely let one of their scouts get too cute with this one.
AD1066
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Complete head-scratcher and waste of draft capital, why not gamble on someone with upside-- Heidt, Sawchyn, Dragicevic, etc?Technically he was their 5th pick of the draft so…5th rounder?
Pretty incredible that they hoarded 5 of the first 47 picks that year. They definitely let one of their scouts get too cute with this one.
Hockeyville USA
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Has not scored a goal since highschool during COVID
What a pick
What a pick
Pavel Buchnevich
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The NHL teams look at upside differently than fans. They see upside as big and can skate. Small junior scorers aren’t upside to them.
RedHawkDown
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If he's actually a good defensive D, he would make a very good partner for ASP. But it remains to be seen if he's actually good at anything other than being 6'5".
However, if he can play a role as a Nikita Zadorov type with even worse offense but better defense, then he would make an ideal partner to let ASP loose.
Ed-Seider
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I'm guessing this is what the FO had in mind when they picked Cleveland in the same draft as ASP. I still hate the pick though.
However, if he can play a role as a Nikita Zadorov type with even worse offense but better defense, then he would make an ideal partner to let ASP loose.
Ed-Seider
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I'm guessing this is what the FO had in mind when they picked Cleveland in the same draft as ASP. I still hate the pick though.
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Seems like Fisker Mølgaard fits the bill. Not really a small junior scorer either.
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newfy
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He had a lot of great advanced defensive stats last year but for where he was picked you would definitely prefer to see some offence at some point. But he honestly doesn't need to put up any points to carve out an NHL role either with the way he plays.
Its not the ini style 5'9 puck mover but theres still a need for his role in the league
Hockeyville USA
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You'd hope he's Joel Edmundson or Erik Cernak. But even they had a bit of production, albeit in different leagues.
Wings have had a ton of picks on D and were/are trying to fill projected roles. They could use a good defensive D in the future, ideally with some impactful physicality, and picked Cleveland a round earlier than he was often projected after some late-season buzz. He would obviously have some points on his resume if he was in the CHL, picking up secondary assists and scaring the crap out of teenagers. Wouldn't change anything about him as a prospect. He's basically a better skating Adam McQuaid or Ben Harpur, neither of whom got to 20 points in the OHL until their final seasons. He'll play in the AHL someday, even if for another organization, and his toughness could earn him an NHL call-up. He has an impressive enthusiasm for hitting people.
newfy
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Or Chiarot, or Mquaid etc.
Brandon Carlo made the NHL really young but had not really shown any offence at all prior to that, and hes still a very solid NHL dman. A lot of these examples are CHL guys where the offence is easier to come by as well
Pavel Buchnevich
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Cleveland was an overdraft because he’s big and can skate and isn’t a zero with the puck, but he’s not good at hockey.
The same was true of Alex Vlasic and he eventually figured it out. Too early to give up on Cleveland, but it was a wish and hope pick. If the Wings thought it was anything more, bad scouting.
The same was true of Alex Vlasic and he eventually figured it out. Too early to give up on Cleveland, but it was a wish and hope pick. If the Wings thought it was anything more, bad scouting.
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I would think the number of 17 year olds playing college hockey is miniscule. Private school kids are generally starting college at 18-19, not including those who are held back a year in middle school for athletic purposes.
Pavel Buchnevich
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I use 17 because there are usually a few high profile players who graduate early. There are also different cutoffs around the USA for what constitutes a graduating class. It can go all the way from like July-July to pretty much year of birth. So you will end up getting some that are playing college athletics that are 17, but yes I agree 17 is usually not as common as 18. 19 is a little high. You really shouldn’t be starting college athletics more than 12 months after graduating high school. And if so, there likely aren’t going to be many 19 year olds at time of starting college if you put that rule into place.
