LD Aron Kiviharju - TPS, FIN JRS (2024 Draft)

[Garl]

He had 20 points in 27 KHL games last year and 5 in 4 games so far this year. It’s more about the opportunities given, depends on your team. Michkov can certainly play effectively in an adult league. For an undersized teenage dman in Kiviharju, maybe he can’t keep up in Liiga, Mestis would be better. But not similar to Michkov

Kiviharju's role in Liiga right now is similar to Michkov in Ska last year. That's what I am saying. Mestis honestly might be too weak. If it was possible to do the same as SKA did with Michkov last year and send him to a weak team would have been good

 

[mistaclick]

Kiviharju's role in Liiga right now is similar to Michkov in Ska last year. That's what I am saying. Mestis honestly might be too weak. If it was possible to do the same as SKA did with Michkov last year and send him to a weak team would have been good

I don’t really agree, Michkov barely saw the ice on SKA, but he is capable of producing obviously. Kiviharju is playing decent minutes as a 3rd pair D, but even if moved to another team I don’t think it makes a difference. Not like Kivi is playing 2-3 minutes a night.

 

[Garl]

I don’t really agree, Michkov barely saw the ice on SKA, but he is capable of producing obviously. Kiviharju is playing decent minutes as a 3rd pair D, but even if moved to another team I don’t think it makes a difference. Not like Kivi is playing 2-3 minutes a night.

Kivi is a prodigy who has been talked about since very young age and rightfully so, he always played above his age group and had fantastic junior stats. In this they are similar with Michkov. And they are both similar in the sense that they couldn't convert their talent in on ice results in the adult league right away.
Their situations have some not similar things, like one is a defenseman, and it is a harder position for a young player to play. Another is that in KHL SKA has an option to send Michkov to a weaker team in the same league, no such option for Kiviharju.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

Obviously let’s see how the season plays out but haven’t really seen too much progression in his game since being impressed with his play when he was 15. Stagnation if the worst sign of a prospect.

Becuase of the I think he’ll end up being another Raty, Lambert .

I don't know what a hell you have expected on Kiviharju this season.
But clearly you're missed the point which is that HIFK's goal this season
is to win SM liiga championship title not develop Aron Kiviharju to NHL standards.

And if Kiviharju wants powerplay minutes he must earn and deserve those.
So far there are clear reasons why Kiviharju is playing only 5 vs 5 and penalty killing.
His time to play in powerplay unit will come when time is right on it calm down goddammit and chill.

 

[Svedu]

He had 20 points in 27 KHL games last year and 5 in 4 games so far this year. It’s more about the opportunities given, depends on your team. Michkov can certainly play effectively in an adult league. For an undersized teenage dman in Kiviharju, maybe he can’t keep up in Liiga, Mestis would be better. But not similar to Michkov

Garl is a swedish troll who bashes every Russian prospect and almost every Finnish prospect as well. He will also know better than every single one out here no matter what, every time.

 

[Svedu]

Very effective at u-20 juniors and international u-18s, in Liiga not much...

Yeah, seems like the jump from u-20s to Liiga is a bit of an issue. Probably Mestis would be a better route for these player.

At least in Liiga he really isn't able to play to his strengths at all. His play has been fine but hardly remarkable. And even the things he's best at haven't been that effective.

Would probably be a better use of the time to play in a less physically demanding league for this year and perhaps even the next so that his strengths remain strengths. A power play specialist receiving no power play time for 2 years can't be very helpful.

Exactly this.

I have to write that Finnish prospects are getting mishandled really hard lately. No matter what and no matter if they would or wouldn't be good enough for Liiga.

Halttunen complete sh*t of a season in HIFK last year. Kiviharju hasn't impressed a lot of fans lately.
Jesse Nurmi had a lot more talent than what he has now progressed to become. Leevi Aaltonen another one.
I also believe Nikkanen could've been handled a bit better.

And for Finnish prospects sake, they should never play under coaches like Marjamäki, Rautakorpi etc. That will only screw their future for sure.

I still do believe a lot of these prospects would've been a lot better of playing in junior league in NA.
Nurmi is fast and would've managed and probably got the opportunity to develop his offensive game.
Leevi Aaltonen an earlier and similar example.
Topi Rönni will probably only become a defensive center. Instead he could've probably become a top9 with some luck because the talent was also there.
Kulonummi? Why did he stay here for an example. Hokkanen? Kasper Lundell? Veeti Väisänen? Kaskimäki? Alasiurua? Emil Järventie? Suoniemi? Elmeri Laakso? Rautiainen? Vesterinen? I mean come on, what are they still doing here... There is so many players that should've considered moving overseas.

Hämeenaho, Hemming and Nyman seems to be the only ones progressing really well. Not good enough with three prospects, not even close.
Liitto needs to react sooner than later because it's actually starting to get out of hand.

 

[MNRube]

if Michkov or Kivi play hockey half as good as Garl trolls, we will have two franchise players.

 

[Svedu]

I don't know what a hell you have expected on Kiviharju this season.
But clearly you're missed the point which is that HIFK's goal this season
is to win SM liiga championship title not develop Aron Kiviharju to NHL standards.

And if Kiviharju wants powerplay minutes he must earn and deserve those.
So far there are clear reasons why Kiviharju is playing only 5 vs 5 and penalty killing.
His time to play in powerplay unit will come when time is right on it calm down goddammit and chill.

The point is what though? Why play for Hifk when he could've moved overseas or otherwise represent Jukurit or another club and get crucial PP time and develop his strengths? One of Finlands biggest prospects, also a D, something we will desperately need for the future.
I mean why then even move from TPS to HIFK in the first place? Makes actually no sense what so ever.

I mean okay if you were Mikke Granlund back in the days and was to become a leading player for every Liiga club out there.
But if this isn't the case with Kiviharju? Then this looks like a really foolish move at this very moment.

 

[Garl]

if Michkov or Kivi play hockey half as good as Garl trolls, we will have two franchise players.

I am anti Kiviharju now? Lol

 

[Garl]

Garl is a swedish troll who bashes every Russian prospect and almost every Finnish prospect as well. He will also know better than every single one out here no matter what, every time.

I did not post much about finns at all, dont spread bs
Also, I am from Russia originally, so I know more about it than majority of people here, and I can give a fair judgment on players from KHL, because majority of posters here repeat dumb lines like "2nd best league in the World", "Michkov would have been 4th best forward for SkA in 2023" etc it is obvious to me that this majority is clueless and is repeating same mistakes all the time.

 

[MNRube]

I am anti Kiviharju now? Lol

I stopped paying attention to your posts awhile ago. I was just pointing out to others that you are merely an instigator. In your mind you are always the victim

 

[Garl]

I stopped paying attention to your posts awhile ago. I was just pointing out to others that you are merely an instigator. In your mind you are always the victim

So, an ad hominem? Because this is a forum, people discuss things, in this case hockey and have different opinions. I usually support my points with some arguments. People ignore those arguments and then do ad hominem attacks, like you are doing right now.
It is a fact, that a lot of people here dont adress the argument, instead, they go directly after me because I am mean to russians LOL, and it is not in my mind, it is in real world.

 

[Nabrules]

I don't know what a hell you have expected on Kiviharju this season.
But clearly you're missed the point which is that HIFK's goal this season
is to win SM liiga championship title not develop Aron Kiviharju to NHL standards.

And if Kiviharju wants powerplay minutes he must earn and deserve those.
So far there are clear reasons why Kiviharju is playing only 5 vs 5 and penalty killing.
His time to play in powerplay unit will come when time is right on it calm down goddammit and chill.

The only one who needs to chill rn is you.

Strange comment since it’s unrelated to what I said. He doesn’t look like he’s improved at the rate id like compared to his play two years ago, whether that be in the Finnish juniors or HIFK where their goal was winning a championship 2 years ago too.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

Exactly this.

I have to write that Finnish prospects are getting mishandled really hard lately. No matter what and no matter if they would or wouldn't be good enough for Liiga.

Halttunen complete sh*t of a season in HIFK last year. Kiviharju hasn't impressed a lot of fans lately.
Jesse Nurmi had a lot more talent than what he has now progressed to become. Leevi Aaltonen another one.
I also believe Nikkanen could've been handled a bit better.

And for Finnish prospects sake, they should never play under coaches like Marjamäki, Rautakorpi etc. That will only screw their future for sure.

I still do believe a lot of these prospects would've been a lot better of playing in junior league in NA.
Nurmi is fast and would've managed and probably got the opportunity to develop his offensive game.
Leevi Aaltonen an earlier and similar example.
Topi Rönni will probably only become a defensive center. Instead he could've probably become a top9 with some luck because the talent was also there.
Kulonummi? Why did he stay here for an example. Hokkanen? Kasper Lundell? Veeti Väisänen? Kaskimäki? Alasiurua? Emil Järventie? Suoniemi? Elmeri Laakso? Rautiainen? Vesterinen? I mean come on, what are they still doing here... There is so many players that should've considered moving overseas.

Hämeenaho, Hemming and Nyman seems to be the only ones progressing really well. Not good enough with three prospects, not even close.
Liitto needs to react sooner than later because it's actually starting to get out of hand.

Can you tell me how in the hell this post regards Aron Kiviharju?
This isn't right thread to talk Finnish prospects there's different thread on that
here's link Finnish Prospect Update Thread

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

The point is what though? Why play for Hifk when he could've moved overseas or otherwise represent Jukurit or another club and get crucial PP time and develop his strengths? One of Finlands biggest prospects, also a D, something we will desperately need for the future.
I mean why then even move from TPS to HIFK in the first place? Makes actually no sense what so ever.

I mean okay if you were Mikke Granlund back in the days and was to become a leading player for every Liiga club out there.
But if this isn't the case with Kiviharju? Then this looks like a really foolish move at this very moment.

If you know so damn well what HIFK needs to do with Kiviharju
then why you don't go telling your brilliant development ideas face to face
for Ville Peltonen and Tobias Salmelainen? those guys are in charge of Kiviharju's development.

So what's holding you back? go and tell those ideas if you really have them.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

The only one who needs to chill rn is you.

Strange comment since it’s unrelated to what I said. He doesn’t look like he’s improved at the rate id like compared to his play two years ago, whether that be in the Finnish juniors or HIFK where their goal was winning a championship 2 years ago too.

This forum seems to have the feeling that if a certain young hockey prospect
like Aron Kiviharju doesn't immediately dominate the men's league in his rookie and NHL draft year
then he is immediately a bust and a big disappointment who will never become a star player in NHL.

Do you even understand that Aron Kiviharju is only 17 yrs teenage kid?
give him time at least 5 to 10 years to develop and get strgonger before making any statements god sake.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

Kivi is a prodigy who has been talked about since very young age and rightfully so, he always played above his age group and had fantastic junior stats. In this they are similar with Michkov. And they are both similar in the sense that they couldn't convert their talent in on ice results in the adult league right away.
Their situations have some not similar things, like one is a defenseman, and it is a harder position for a young player to play. Another is that in KHL SKA has an option to send Michkov to a weaker team in the same league, no such option for Kiviharju.

Finally someone who owns brains and the ability to think logically in here.
Aron Kiviharju is only 17 yrs old and nobody can't know yet how good he'll be
in 5-10 years when he's got more experience of men's games and matured physically.

Lets give Kiviharju all time he what needs before making any statements.

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

Exactly this.

I have to write that Finnish prospects are getting mishandled really hard lately. No matter what and no matter if they would or wouldn't be good enough for Liiga.

Halttunen complete sh*t of a season in HIFK last year. Kiviharju hasn't impressed a lot of fans lately.
Jesse Nurmi had a lot more talent than what he has now progressed to become. Leevi Aaltonen another one.
I also believe Nikkanen could've been handled a bit better.

And for Finnish prospects sake, they should never play under coaches like Marjamäki, Rautakorpi etc. That will only screw their future for sure.

I still do believe a lot of these prospects would've been a lot better of playing in junior league in NA.
Nurmi is fast and would've managed and probably got the opportunity to develop his offensive game.
Leevi Aaltonen an earlier and similar example.
Topi Rönni will probably only become a defensive center. Instead he could've probably become a top9 with some luck because the talent was also there.
Kulonummi? Why did he stay here for an example. Hokkanen? Kasper Lundell? Veeti Väisänen? Kaskimäki? Alasiurua? Emil Järventie? Suoniemi? Elmeri Laakso? Rautiainen? Vesterinen? I mean come on, what are they still doing here... There is so many players that should've considered moving overseas.

Hämeenaho, Hemming and Nyman seems to be the only ones progressing really well. Not good enough with three prospects, not even close.
Liitto needs to react sooner than later because it's actually starting to get out of hand.

What fans Kiviharju should impress huh? go read Kiviharju's thread
in jatkoaika.com HIFK section and watch what HIFK fans have to say about him.

Jatkoaika.com HIFK fans at least understands that
Kiviharju is just a 17 yrs old kid who's learning playing against men right now.

But you seem being one Kiviharju hater
who's set impossible expectations 17 yrs old kid.

Is it really so your thinking is that now that Kiviharju has not scored
any points in 3-4 games, he is immediately bust that will never become anything.

Unfortunately you are not making decisions in any NHL club
about who gets drafted and at what point so your hate has
no effect whatsoever on any matter related to Aron Kiviharju
that the NHL clubs pay attention.

 

[wetcoast]

I think the problem with Kiviharju is that for so long some were promoting him as generational and his development isn't being helped with minimal MPG in his draft year.

He is sort of the same boat Shane Wright was in last year and he needs to play to fully develop.

Teams aren't going to wait for 5-10 years either.

 

[Czechboy]

I'll chime in that, recently, we had a few Czechs play in Extraliga and go in round 1. They all had similarly underwhelming stats and ice times. They are all doing well now.. Kulich, Sale, Jiricek.

I've only ever seen Kiviharju play out of his age level. He's also a D consistently playing against older players. Tough spot.

I'm not sure if getting a .ppg in the CHL is better than lower minutes in a very good pro league. I do feel like a lot of .ppg CHL players would not make a LIIGA club.

Xmas will be telling and let's see how he looks at the U20 (still out of his age range)!

 

[LeProspector]

GET HIM TO KITCHENER

 

[bigdog16]

This forum seems to have the feeling that if a certain young hockey prospect
like Aron Kiviharju doesn't immediately dominate the men's league in his rookie and NHL draft year
then he is immediately a bust and a big disappointment who will never become a star player in NHL.

Do you even understand that Aron Kiviharju is only 17 yrs teenage kid?
give him time at least 5 to 10 years to develop and get strgonger before making any statements god sake.

The issue is that you and all your Finnish counterparts hyped him up as a generational prospect and a can’t miss prospect. All thats happening is that we are finding out he isn’t that. He could still be an NHL player, and he will still get drafted, but he is not the generational player that all of you hyped him up to be.

 

[just a hockey fan]

The issue is that you and all your Finnish counterparts hyped him up as a generational prospect and a can’t miss prospect. All thats happening is that we are finding out he isn’t that. He could still be an NHL player, and he will still get drafted, but he is not the generational player that all of you hyped him up to be.

Look who it is once again having a problem with the Finnish nationality... It's magically always an issue to you when it's a Finish player. Why do you care so much? Why does it hurt you so much, besides the fact it's Kiviharju and a Finn overall in question? It's hilariously pathetic how badly you need to make it a huge problem and it's all because you can't stand Finnish people and players.

 

[wetcoast]

Look who it is once again having a problem with the Finnish nationality... It's magically always an issue to you when it's a Finish player. Why do you care so much? Why does it hurt you so much, besides the fact it's Kiviharju and a Finn overall in question? It's hilariously pathetic how badly you need to make it a huge problem and it's all because you can't stand Finnish people and players.

This is great but doesn't address what the other poster said, sometimes the truth hurts.

 

[Nabrules]

This forum seems to have the feeling that if a certain young hockey prospect
like Aron Kiviharju doesn't immediately dominate the men's league in his rookie and NHL draft year
then he is immediately a bust and a big disappointment who will never become a star player in NHL.

Do you even understand that Aron Kiviharju is only 17 yrs teenage kid?
give him time at least 5 to 10 years to develop and get strgonger before making any statements god

Why are you getting so triggered, Jesus. If you really think Kiviharju has developed at a high rate the past 2 years then that’s your opinion, I just don’t think you know how to scout. Anyone who isn’t bias knows that he hasn’t played like the “elite star level number 1 dman” everyone was touting him as 2 years ago