Confirmed with Link: Lawrence Gilman, Lorne Henning, Eric Crawford AND Mike Burnstein fired

[dave babych returns]

Why post stuff like this? Another on the ignore list.

You're going to miss my delightful bon mots!

 

[SillyRabbit]

Weird move firing the trainer. Be interesting to hear Linden's justifications for it. Maybe after 19 years or whatever it's been, the front office felt he was a dinosaur and wanted a more modern approach to training.

The irony is overwhelming.

 

[The Jesus*]

I think there is value if differing opinions, but not when there is a completely different point of view with respect to the broad philosophy of the organization. You have to work toward a common goal.

Jim has the final say. Why would you want to hear the opinions only from people who think exactly like you? You'll never learn anything that way.

I agree that it is better to pick a philosophy and go all out pursuing it than to be wishy washy and flip flop between ideas every time a new style of team wins the cup. But that doesn't mean having different perspectives as a voice at the table is a bad thing. It's never a bad thing.

 

[a Fool]

Weird move firing the trainer. Be interesting to hear Linden's justifications for it. Maybe after 19 years or whatever it's been, the front office felt he was a dinosaur and wanted a more modern approach to training.

They're more likely to replace him with a faith healer.

 

[RandV]

Weird move firing the trainer. Be interesting to hear Linden's justifications for it. Maybe after 19 years or whatever it's been, the front office felt he was a dinosaur and wanted a more modern approach to training.

It doesn't seem like they're going to say anything at all this time, and try to slip it by the press & casual fan after yesterdays firings. Only reason behind it I can see though, dumb as it is, is to shake up the player bench. Kind of like Aquilini bringing in Torts to kick their *****, fire the guy behind the bench that's everyone's friend to show the players that you (upper management) mean business.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

Lmao I think that was me actually. Thought the analogy perfectly described him.



He was a lot smarter than the current GM at least in just about all aspects of managing a team. It's not even close.

Benning is bad but the Gillis loves needs to stop The guy handcuffed this organization.

 

[rune74]

Jim has the final say. Why would you want to hear the opinions only from people who think exactly like you? You'll never learn anything that way.

I agree that it is better to pick a philosophy and go all out pursuing it than to be wishy washy and flip flop between ideas every time a new style of team wins the cup. But that doesn't mean having different perspectives as a voice at the table is a bad thing. It's never a bad thing.

You want the team t o be on the same page though, not all over the map. Yes to having different opinions about say a trade here or there, no to having a different plan for the team.

You don't want a guy who is always trying to go left when your team is set on the right as a goal. It undermines the whole system.

 

[TheWolf*]

Jim has the final say. Why would you want to hear the opinions only from people who think exactly like you? You'll never learn anything that way.

I agree that it is better to pick a philosophy and go all out pursuing it than to be wishy washy and flip flop between ideas every time a new style of team wins the cup. But that doesn't mean having different perspectives as a voice at the table is a bad thing. It's never a bad thing.

You are missing my point. I agree that dissenting opinions on how to achieve a common goal are valuable, but when the idea of what that goal should be is different, you can't work together.

If Gilman and Co thought that it was best to tear the team down and rebuild it and Wise-braud and co thought it was best to try and make the playoff every year no matter what........those philosophies can't co-exist.

 

[TheWolf*]

Benning is bad but the Gillis loves needs to stop The guy handcuffed this organization.

It's funny how things always look better in retrospect. Remember everyone calling for Lu's head? Wouldn't you rather have Lu as the goalie now rather than Miller? Wouldn't you rather have AV now than WD?

 

[The Jesus*]

You are missing my point. I agree that dissenting opinions on how to achieve a common goal are valuable, but when the idea of what that goal should be is different, you can't work together.

I get your point, I just think you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

It's funny how things always look better in retrospect. Remember everyone calling for Lu's head? Wouldn't you rather have Lu as the goalie now rather than Miller? Wouldn't you rather have AV now than WD?

Exactly and if Benning drafts well then we'll look back at how he was so good etc...

Gil

 

[rune74]

I get your point, I just think you couldn't be more wrong.

Really? Why?

Have you worked in a leadership role before? I'm not asking to be rude, I'm actually noting that I have and what he said is absolutely true.

 

[TheWolf*]

I get your point, I just think you couldn't be more wrong.

LOL, ok. I have the same take.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

It's funny how things always look better in retrospect. Remember everyone calling for Lu's head? Wouldn't you rather have Lu as the goalie now rather than Miller? Wouldn't you rather have AV now than WD?

Exactly and if Benning drafts well then we'll look back at how he was so good etc...

Gillis thought he had a dynasty clearly because he gave all his players no trade clauses and long term deals. When sometimes it helps to have players on expiring deals cause a lot of players in today's game don't give it their all unless they're next big pay cheque is on the line.

Higgins
Hansen

In what world do players like this get an NTC? Players that are easily replaceable... So we can save 500k?

 

[The Jesus*]

Really? Why?

Have you worked in a leadership role before? I'm not asking to be rude, I'm actually noting that I have and what he said is absolutely true.

What he said couldn't be more wrong. It's only true under the assumption that the party whose perspective is overruled is extremely immature and refuses to cooperate when the boss goes in a different direction.

Which may be true in construction or a Subway or something. But is certainly not the case with larger corporations, governments, etc. Where dissenting opinions in the board room are not only the norm, but encouraged and sought out.

 

[canucksfan]

Canucks new trainer

 

[vanuck]

Replace Fin with a cardboard box... why not? Would be a new symbol for the new personality of the team.

I'm worried Fin is next... but this made me laugh.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Higgins
Hansen

In what world do players like this get an NTC? Players that are easily replaceable... So we can save 500k?

Versatile 15 G 30+pt two-way forwards?

Still a steal at 2.5 mil.

 

[TheWolf*]

What he said couldn't be more wrong. It's only true under the assumption that the party whose perspective is overruled is extremely immature and refuses to cooperate when the boss goes in a different direction.

Which may be true in construction or a Subway or something. But is certainly not the case with larger corporations, governments, etc. Where dissenting opinions in the board room are not only the norm, but encouraged and sought out.

So if you had a CEO that professed that the optimal corporate strategy was to expand and a bunch of VP's that were convinced that the company should contract, divest itself of assets and wind down.......you honestly believe that this would be the type of culture that would lead to success?

 

[Nuckles]

Exactly and if Benning drafts well then we'll look back at how he was so good etc...

Gillis thought he had a dynasty clearly because he gave all his players no trade clauses and long term deals. When sometimes it helps to have players on expiring deals cause a lot of players in today's game don't give it their all unless they're next big pay cheque is on the line.

Higgins
Hansen

In what world do players like this get an NTC? Players that are easily replaceable... So we can save 500k?

You're acting like they got full NTCs. They didn't, they got partial NTCs. They can list like 10 teams they won't accept a trade to.

 

[The Jesus*]

So if you had a CEO that professed that the optimal corporate strategy was to expand and a bunch of VP's that were convinced that the company should contract, divest itself of assets and wind down.......you honestly believe that this would be the type of culture that would lead to success?

If every single person at the table had a vehemently opposing perspective, no. But I said right from the get go that it's all about having opinions from different vantage points, which adds perspective and gives the man in charge a much broader range of ideas from which to make decisions.

Your question isn't really relevant, because that wasn't the case here. Weisbrod, Benning, and Linden all seem to think similarly. There is nothing wrong with having different voices at the table. It's a good thing, and I'm honestly kind of surprised anyone is even attempting to make the argument it's not.

Frankly, it's so nonsensical I don't think I'm even going to bother discussing it with you anymore.

 

[vanuck]

Benning is bad but the Gillis loves needs to stop The guy handcuffed this organization.

Whatever you think of his moves... he was still a much better GM than what we have now.

 

[opendoor]

Higgins
Hansen

In what world do players like this get an NTC? Players that are easily replaceable... So we can save 500k?

In the real world where you have to compete with 29 other teams to sign talent.

Guys like Cogliano, Kelly, Raymond, Stajan, Bickell, Roszival, Oduya, Cole, Moen, Cleary, Bolland, Jokinen, Ballard, Cooke, Gaustad, Nystrom, and dozens of other middle of the lineup type of guys all have been given them, including by some of the best executives in the league. It's just a fact of life in today's NHL.

 

[TheWolf*]

If every single VP had a vehemently opposing perspective, no. But I said right from the get go that it's all about having opinions from different vantage points, which adds perspective and gives the man in charge a much broader range of ideas from which to make decisions.

Your question isn't really relevant, because that wasn't the case here. Weisbrod, Benning, and Linden all seem to think similarly. There is nothing wrong with having different voices at the table. It's a good thing, and I'm honestly kind of surprised anyone is even attempting to make the argument it's not.

Frankly, it's so nonsensical I don't think I'm even going to bother discussing it with you anymore.

It's very much the same thing. Clearly Gilman & Co had a completely different vision as to where to go with this team.

Your defense is completely non sensical.

That said, this horse has been beaten to death.

 

[I in the Eye]

Canucks new trainer

I'm thinking more like this:

With "regime character" training like this:

"Pretending you know what you’re doing is almost the same as knowing what you are doing, so just accept that you know what you’re doing even if you don’t and do it."