Confirmed with Link: Lawrence Gilman, Lorne Henning, Eric Crawford AND Mike Burnstein fired

[GPNuck]

Recently made the SCF?
That was 2011 and those days are long gone and have been for a while.
You see this all the time in sports. New management comes in and cleans house. Burke worked with Feaster for a while then brought in his own guy. Same with Shanahan who worked with Nonis and then they did wholesale changes the next year.
As I said, lots of things to complain about. This is pretty much par for the course. If people want to see something else behind it, then so be it. I'm not going to argue with them.

to me 2011 is still recently and he said they only missed the playoffs once under Torts.. And won the presidents trophy twice.

We had it good with Gillis and Co... We are trending towards darker days for sure

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

And would you agree or disagree that the more appropriate time for such a task would be the end of the season for Vancouver and not the day after free agency and three days after the draft? Benning is lucky Vancouver doesn't have investors because if this was a Wall Street company investor confidence would be dropping as fast as the stock.

Face it Gilman was likely fired because he wasn't big or strong and likely couldn't skate very well.

ROFL Lawrence "NTC" Gilman was fired because his siggy is on one of the worst NHL contracts of a time.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

to me 2011 is still recently and he said they only missed the playoffs once under Torts.. And won the presidents trophy twice.

We had it good with Gillis and Co... We are trending towards darker days for sure

We've been trending towards dark days since 2012. Hollis created one of the softest, most passive, and oldest teams in the NHL.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

to me 2011 is still recently and he said they only missed the playoffs once under Torts.. And won the presidents trophy twice.

We had it good with Gillis and Co... We are trending towards darker days for sure

Meh.
We finished 6th last in the NHL in Gillis' last year.
With the Sedins aging and Kesler and Luongo wanting out we were always going to trend down and need to go through a rebuild. The only way to have speeded that up was for ownership to have bought into the necessity of rebuilding. They clearly haven't.
You could have Ken Holland as GM right now and the results would be close to the same. I'm not happy with the direction we're going and with Benning but to say that it would have been significantly different with Gillis is wishful thinking.
2011 is history. We missed our window. Both finalists from that SCF are no longer contenders. Time to move on.

 

[GPNuck]

Meh.
We finished 6th last in the NHL in Gillis' last year.
With the Sedins aging and Kesler and Luongo wanting out we were always going to trend down and need to go through a rebuild. The only way to have speeded that up was for ownership to have bought into the necessity of rebuilding. They clearly haven't.
You could have Ken Holland as GM right now and the results would be close to the same. I'm not happy with the direction we're going and with Benning but to say that it would have been significantly different with Gillis is wishful thinking.
2011 is history. We missed our window. Both finalists from that SCF are no longer contenders. Time to move on.

I think Gillis would be in rebuild mode now too. But I think he would have done it the right way and managed his assets better than giving them away. He just seemed like a much smarter guy than Benning, time will tell I guess. I'll buy a Benning Jersey with number 99 on it if he proves me wrong

 

[arsmaster*]

How low in the standings would he have to finish for benning and co to get the boot?

6th or worse and you get fired?

 

[dave babych returns]

ROFL Lawrence "NTC" Gilman was fired because his siggy is on one of the worst NHL contracts of a time.

If you mean because he was hired by the previous regime (and has been outside the loop in the current management group), you're exactly right.

If you literally think it's because he was an AGM half a decade ago when a contract that undoubtedly required ownership approval was signed, you're off your nut.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

If you mean because he was hired by the previous regime (and has been outside the loop in the current management group), you're exactly right.

If you literally think it's because he was an AGM half a decade ago when a contract that undoubtedly required ownership approval was signed, you're off your nut.

He should have been fired last year. No one that signs 3rd liners to sweetheart NTCs and signs life long country club contracts like Luongo's deal should be fired on spot. Guy got an extra year out of his blunders , ol' "NTC" Gilman should be thankful.

 

[VC]

How low in the standings would he have to finish for benning and co to get the boot?

6th or worse and you get fired?

I really think how they get will be more important than how low they get. They may safe if it is just 'injuries' but it is when Aquilini gets embarrassed, that is when changes will happen.

 

[dave babych returns]

He should have been fired last year. No one that signs 3rd liners to sweetheart NTCs and signs life long country club contracts like Luongo's deal should be fired on spot. Guy got an extra year out of his blunders , ol' "NTC" Gilman should be thankful.

Uh huh. And around and around you go.

 

[alternate]

How low in the standings would he have to finish for benning and co to get the boot?

6th or worse and you get fired?

I would think they're bullet proof for this season. Imo it's at the end of season 3 that jobs will start being on the line.

 

[Nuckles]

How low in the standings would he have to finish for benning and co to get the boot?

6th or worse and you get fired?

I'm still not sure he will be fired even if we have a terrible year (it may take one more year after that), but I imagine Aquilini would be upset if we weren't bad enough to get a top pick but bad enough that we miss the playoffs and ticket sales drop significantly.

 

[arsmaster*]

I would think they're bullet proof for this season. Imo it's at the end of season 3 that jobs will start being on the line.

Yeah. They also have a fire the coach card to play.

 

[luongo321]

Botch dropping BOMBS on tsn 1040 right now

Says that weisbrod is basically running the show.

Said that linden is barely a voice, and benning has been so busy with drafting duties he is getting overwhelmed.

he also said that benning is going to take over even more scouting duties, including pro amateur scouting, which will overwhelm him more.

Also said weisbrod is basically taking over the front office, knew months before draft they would go after an NCAA kid with 1st.

Just great info all around by botch

If this is true, why do we never even see this guy's face or hear him speak? It is absolutely unacceptable that Linden and Benning have to do all of the talking IF Weisbrod has this much input into the team. This makes Benning look like even more of a fool. Mr. Jankowski to the rescue.

 

[Proto]

He should have been fired last year. No one that signs 3rd liners to sweetheart NTCs and signs life long country club contracts like Luongo's deal should be fired on spot. Guy got an extra year out of his blunders , ol' "NTC" Gilman should be thankful.

I agree. These were great contracts, and no one should be fired on the spot for signing them. Gilman was a cap whiz and the right-hand man of the best GM in Canucks franchise history.

I don't always agree with you, but I think on the above post we can find some common ground and build from there. Thank you for expressing your admiration for his work in a way I was struggling to.

Cheers, mate.

 

[arsmaster*]

I'm still not sure he will be fired even if we have a terrible year (it may take one more year after that), but I imagine Aquilini would be upset if we weren't bad enough to get a top pick but bad enough that we miss the playoffs and ticket sales drop significantly.

I don't know. The Aquilini's are fans too. I would assume they were just as embarrassed by empty seats and the 1-2-3-4 in the playoffs that I don't think getting 3 not full playoff games is enough to make them feel great.

 

[member 105785]

I miss Gillis

 

[luongo321]

Pretty much standard procedure. A new management team comes in and cleans house. Just like we saw in Toronto, Calgary and finally in Edmonton. Surprised it took this long. The only question is whether Benning/Linden replaced them with the right guys. Nothing else to read into this, IMO, and most people should have seen it coming.

Considering it came right after a few days of some extremely moronic trades (in terms of value we received back), I believe it does matter. My guess is Gilman had enough and stuck it to Benning for his poor management of this team.

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

If this is true, why do we never even see this guy's face or hear him speak? It is absolutely unacceptable that Linden and Benning have to do all of the talking IF Weisbrod has this much input into the team. This makes Benning look like even more of a fool. Mr. Jankowski to the rescue.

Think about it.

Hes very political.

If you were in a chaotic situation and wanted to come out smelling like roses what would you do.

Let others be the face of chaos. Make you appearance when things calm down.

He will be making public appearances soon enough.

 

[ItsAllPartOfThePlan]

Maybe we can get a "Fire Benning" chant going to accelerate this process

 

[pitseleh]

If this is just standard procedure of cleaning house, why didn't they fire Smyl and Delorme and any other high ranking management? It has to be based on either performance or political reasons, or some combination of both. Either they valued Smyl and Delorme's work more, or they liked them more.

 

[arsmaster*]

If this is just standard procedure of cleaning house, why didn't they fire Smyl and Delorme and any other high ranking management? It has to be based on either performance or political reasons, or some combination of both. Either they valued Smyl and Delorme's work more, or they liked them more.

Linden already said it's not based on the past or performance so I think it's only logical to assume it's based on differences of opinion.

 

[Wilch]

If this is just standard procedure of cleaning house, why didn't they fire Smyl and Delorme and any other high ranking management? It has to be based on either performance or political reasons, or some combination of both. Either they valued Smyl and Delorme's work more, or they liked them more.

Probably the latter.

Birds of a feather flock together.

 

[opendoor]

I still can't believe the Canucks have a guy who essentially tried to give up Sean Monahan for the right to put O'Reilly on waivers in a position of power. That kind of blunder should pretty much exclude you from working in management for a long time.

 

[timw33]

Luongo deal was not a bad contract. The NHL coming down retroactively on contract's like Luongo's was just ridiculous. NHL approved each and every one of those contracts, their own damn fault. And having a former (fired) GM in Burke running point on that was a complete conflict of interest.