Confirmed with Link: Lawrence Gilman, Lorne Henning, Eric Crawford AND Mike Burnstein fired
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SillyRabbit
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Great, because Benning was doing such a good job with his other GM duties that adding a bunch of more responsibilities to his workload should be no issue.
I nominate Botchford as the official spokesperson for the fans. Seems like the only media member with the stones to actually call things as they are.
Bourne Endeavor
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So basically we're being helmed by an even bigger moron than the one with a glorified title. Good lord have we become a joke. Is there any archives of this? I'd love to hear it.
lawrence
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- May 19, 2012
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Probably didn't see eye to eye in many things including the bieksa trade. Not sure what direction this team is headed, this is the least excited I've been about a the team. By far one of the worst off seasons ever. I wouldn't mind a shot at Mathews or chycrun.
BloatedGuppy
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I dunno if we're taking everything Botchford says at face value now, but it was an interesting listen nonetheless.
Amongst the things he says...
1) Says Weisbrod has a larger role than people perhaps realize. "Has a strong personality, may not play well with others"
2) Benning is heavily focused on scouting and might be overwhelmed with additional duties
3) Worries there is insufficient dissenting opinion, worries about them ending up in a similar position to the Boston Bruins cap-wise.
4) Says you can break down every move trade by trade and understand them. Seemed more confused by Lack trade ("it's not like they're trying to win the Stanley Cup/perfect team for younger goalie") than Kassian trade. Says Kassian and the team "failed each other", and that when you have a player questioning his own professionalism you know there are issues.
5) They've been trying to trade Kassian for a very long time ("they did a lot of leg work"), the value/return they wanted was never there.
6) Says you can defend any of the trades on their own, but collectively there was a lack of clear wins.
Sounds to me like Weisbrod has essentially become the COO. With Benning spending the majority of his time on scouting and taking on more work in this area, it sounds like Weisbrod has been given free reign to run the rest of the organization.
Agree with 6 wholeheartedly.
There are definitely times when you take the context into account, hold your nose and make a deal regardless of poor value - you just can't do it every. single. time. Particularly at the beginning of a tenure when they're turning over the roster to the tune of 6-8 players every offseason.
There are definitely times when you take the context into account, hold your nose and make a deal regardless of poor value - you just can't do it every. single. time. Particularly at the beginning of a tenure when they're turning over the roster to the tune of 6-8 players every offseason.
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Dammit Jim!
Weisbrod is going to go down as a black stain on this organization. The longer he is left in his role, or promoted, the more far reaching the damage will be. This is the kind of guy that can turn a retool into a 15 year trough. They did not do their due diligence here.
GPNuck
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Pretty much standard procedure. A new management team comes in and cleans house. Just like we saw in Toronto, Calgary and finally in Edmonton. Surprised it took this long. The only question is whether Benning/Linden replaced them with the right guys. Nothing else to read into this, IMO, and most people should have seen it coming.
It seems to me that we've gone from a professionally managed hockey business under Gillis/Gilman to an old boys' club hell-bent on using brute force to transform the organization completely under Benning/Weisebrod.
I suppose it has a chance of working. It could also chase away any legitimately good people and rot the entire organization from its core by souring the work environment.
My experience with such situations is to bet on the latter.
I suppose it has a chance of working. It could also chase away any legitimately good people and rot the entire organization from its core by souring the work environment.
My experience with such situations is to bet on the latter.
Love
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Hyack57
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And would you agree or disagree that the more appropriate time for such a task would be the end of the season for Vancouver and not the day after free agency and three days after the draft? Benning is lucky Vancouver doesn't have investors because if this was a Wall Street company investor confidence would be dropping as fast as the stock.
Face it Gilman was likely fired because he wasn't big or strong and likely couldn't skate very well.
GPNuck
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I think the guys voiced their displeasure in some of the moves.. Lack trade, Sbisa resigning probably the most and the old boys club didn't like being told they were wrong so there is a simple fix for that. Kick that voice to the curb!
The timing should be before the season starts.
People will spin the firings to suit their agendas. Lots of concerns about Benning this offseason. This move seems pretty standard to me. Surprised it took so long.
rune74
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Maybe, or Maybe they were by products of another management team that the current one decided wasn't their guys. Both are conjecture based on limited information.
This isn't really true. You see full house cleaning when a new management team comes in into a ****** organization (TOR, EDM and CGY being prime examples), not into one that recently made the SCF and only missed the playoffs once. This wasn't a place that needed house cleaning, or at least not in the areas that Benning chose to target.
opendoor
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Yeah, I find it odd that on the one hand people talk like management is immune from criticism because they just came off a 101 point season but then talk like gutting the front office in such situations is standard operating procedure.
It's pretty typical to hold onto these guys until after strategic periods like the draft and free agency.
Whatever you think of the new regime (and I don't like them much at all), complaining about the timing seems pointless.
(Except as a disheartening coup de gras following the Lack and Kassian trades, of course)
Whatever you think of the new regime (and I don't like them much at all), complaining about the timing seems pointless.
(Except as a disheartening coup de gras following the Lack and Kassian trades, of course)
Recently made the SCF?
That was 2011 and those days are long gone and have been for a while.
You see this all the time in sports. New management comes in and cleans house. Burke worked with Feaster for a while then brought in his own guy. Same with Shanahan who worked with Nonis and then they did wholesale changes the next year.
As I said, lots of things to complain about. This is pretty much par for the course. If people want to see something else behind it, then so be it. I'm not going to argue with them.
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