BK
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TVR to Carlolina....now AP for Hanafin or Faulk, then Hammer for Galchenyuk, then Seabrook to Vancouver for cookies, then something to Vegas for Sbisa.
GDT: Las Vegas Expansion Draft/Trades
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TVR to Carlolina....now AP for Hanafin or Faulk, then Hammer for Galchenyuk, then Seabrook to Vancouver for cookies, then something to Vegas for Sbisa.
ChiHawks10
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Just my opinion here. He's a good third pairing guy. He's got a good hockey IQ/head. He's good with positioning, and has decent offensive instincts when allowed to utilize them. He's got a pretty good shot. His foot speed is awful, and overall speed is awful, and skating leaves something to be desired. Which isn't the end of the world, as he's a third pairing guy, and makes up for those lacking areas with the good positioning I previously mentioned. He can occasionally make a mistake on his decisions to pinch due to his speed/skating issues, but they've been less and less with the more experience he has gotten.
I'd say he's a great 5/6, with the ability to slot up into the 4 slot if absolutely necessary, but only if necessary. He's much better suited on the third pair.
Through the second half of last season, I honestly would say he was the 3rd or 4th best D on the team behind only Keith, Hammer, and occasionally Seabs.
Kempny is/was better when he was on the ice, IMO, but saw minimal ice-time in a rotation with other D. So TVR lands squarely around the 4th best D on the Hawks during the second half last year. For me.
b1e9a8r5s
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Solid 5/6 guy. Pretty good IQ but his speed/skating limit him to a bottom pairing role. Decent offensively if he has time.
Anton Dubinchuk
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That's actually good, because in our pre-season lineup penciling we have him paired with Fleury on the bottom pairing (who's never played an NHL game). Usually like having guys with high IQ back there with the youngsters.
Shot good enough to be a PP trigger man? Or more of just a bonus couple of goals per year from the third pairing?
DisgruntledHawkFan
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BK
"Goalie Apologist"
Thoughts? I could be losing my mind.
AP for Hanafin or Faulk
Hammer for Galchenyuk
Seabrook+2nd to Vancouver for cookies
something to Vegas for Sbisa
Sign Thornton.
How is that for a retool?
AP for Hanafin or Faulk
Hammer for Galchenyuk
Seabrook+2nd to Vancouver for cookies
something to Vegas for Sbisa
Sign Thornton.
How is that for a retool?
b1e9a8r5s
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Anton Dubinchuk
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Well we will let our top 4 take that then
Another one of your retreads, but looks like this time we will actually slot him where he is meant to be on a halfway decent team (instead of Versteeg on the 1st, Nordy on the 3rd, etc). Progress!
ChiHawks10
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I think his shot is solid enough to be a PP trigger man, personally. And with his good hockey IQ and positioning, he can keep from getting caught too deep in the O zone, most the time. That would be my biggest concern with him on the PP, though. The D have to be involved a lot, and sometimes get down deep. And his skating/lack of speed would prevent him from getting back. If there are better options on the PP, I would definitely go with them over TVR.
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ColdSteel2
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They are not creative. It sucks, especially with all of the different things you could potentially do. However, the network they have between the scouts and the FO and the agents is unparalleled. It's not as fun as seeing crazy trades, but it's like Christmas morning the days we get Raanta, Panarin, Ruuta, Raddysh, etc...especially when these guys are so coveted and the Hawks swoop in stealth style to get them. Stan and his guys couldn't negotiate themselves out of a paper box but they recruit like Alabama football.
coolhand
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I don't mind TVR being chosen. I didn't think he was big enough on defense and he wasn't great with the puck. Hawks need to toughen up. Need size and speed to keep up with the rest of the league.
BK
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BobbyJet
The accountability era?
SB has about 3 months left to fill those gaps. Let's hope the speech of 'major changes' was genuine and he remains as pissed off as he was then - enough to grind it out this summer and leave no stone unturned to improve this team.
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Blackhawkswincup
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Vegas got a 2nd for TVR
TVR + 7th rounder for 2nd round pick
Stanley should have trade TVR to Carolina , Horrible handling of asset (What's new!) from Stanley
TVR + 7th rounder for 2nd round pick
Stanley should have trade TVR to Carolina , Horrible handling of asset (What's new!) from Stanley
TLEH
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Well essentially getting vegas to trade for Kruger cost a 2nd or a 3rd. He could have traded TVR for a 3rd probably but then still stuck with Kruger.
ChiHawks10
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Except it's possible that Kruger going to Vegas is part of the whole thing. Vegas could have said to Stan "Hey, we'll take Kruger off your hands for a pick and/or a minor player, but you have to make TVR available to us at the expansion draft." because Carolina already had interest/a deal in place to acquire him from Vegas.
There is so much going on behind the scenes that we don't know about for you to just admonish Stan and what he's doing, without knowing what happens with Kruger.
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HawksFan37
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If Stan trades TVR to Carolina before the expansion draft (who coulda protected him over Trevor Carrick), the Hawks get a 2nd rounder, but then there's no guarantee Vegas takes Kruger in the expansion draft and the Hawks are stuck with Kruger's contract.
If there's a deal in place that says Vegas, you get Kruger and TVR, and the Hawks get some other asset and lose Kruger's deal, then it boils down to what you value more a) a 2nd round pick and having Kruger's cap hit on the book still or b) losing Kruger's cap hit and the asset you get from Vegas
If there's no deal for Kruger and Stan didn't make the Carolina deal, then yeah it's totally fair to be pissed off.
Here's hoping it's the 2nd paragraph that is playing itself out and they value losing Kruger's cap hit (and whatever asset they get from Vegas for him) more than the late 2nd round pick and keeping Kruger's cap hit on the books.
Hawkaholic
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Yes, I am sure Stan sat on his hands. Do you believe half the stuff you type?
Blackhawkswincup
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We have seen it from Stanley before
Sharp at 2015 draft when Stanley held out trading him until he got better deal , A deal that never came and all potential suitors moved on
Hawkaholic
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This is a completely different scenario.
And you have zero evidence that there was ever a better deal for Sharp.
