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RE: Our comp to FLA - I don't think that is something that people are remembering all that well. I wrote this back in August

"Yeah, I think obviously we will move into a more trade-centered, free agent focused 'phase' once the core is settled out and we know what it looks like. The Panthers were much like the Wings back in the early 2010's where they had a slew of high draft picks and the group failed. From that 2007 - 2017, this is a team that had quite a few major misses who they would offload over the next 10 years to retool (Kulikov, Markstrom, Ellerby, Gudbranson, Huberdeau, Matheson, Barkov, Ekblad, Crouse, Borgstrom, Tippett) - only Ekblad and Barkov are still around.

They realized that their drafted core wasn't good enough and had to make a choice and they started really digging into trades to try to remix the team and traded away a lot of pieces from 2016 - so what was a "build through high draft picks and core" ended up being a insane revolving door for a good 3-4 years just churning through dudes until they hit a trade hotstreak and hit the lotto trying to grab upside value from slightly disappointing Top 10 picks in Bennett and Reinhart - where we also forget they folowed that up with trading away 1st, 4th, and a prospect for Ben Chiarot (wow), Owen Tippett, 1st and a 3rd for Claude Giroux that didn't work, until they were gifted Tkachuk who forced his way there.

All of that is to say - the Panthers are exactly an ideal path and one I hope we kind of avoid. That rebuild started in 2007 and it wasn't until 2021 that it really happened and a lot of that had to do to the fact that they hit on Bennett, Reinhart, and Tkachuk in succession despite making some real squirrely moves around it."

That FLA team up until 2021, was not great. It was a pretty badly stalled out rebuild and it took the acquired assets of 14 Years plus some pretty crazy 'diamond in the rough' reclamation projects to turn them into what they are. I don't think this is the path we should be hoping for.
 
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TheOctopusKid said:
RE: Our comp to FLA - I don't think that is something that people are remembering all that well. I wrote this back in August

"Yeah, I think obviously we will move into a more trade-centered, free agent focused 'phase' once the core is settled out and we know what it looks like. The Panthers were much like the Wings back in the early 2010's where they had a slew of high draft picks and the group failed. From that 2007 - 2017, this is a team that had quite a few major misses who they would offload over the next 10 years to retool (Kulikov, Markstrom, Ellerby, Gudbranson, Huberdeau, Matheson, Barkov, Ekblad, Crouse, Borgstrom, Tippett) - only Ekblad and Barkov are still around.

They realized that their drafted core wasn't good enough and had to make a choice and they started really digging into trades to try to remix the team and traded away a lot of pieces from 2016 - so what was a "build through high draft picks and core" ended up being a insane revolving door for a good 3-4 years just churning through dudes until they hit a trade hotstreak and hit the lotto trying to grab upside value from slightly disappointing Top 10 picks in Bennett and Reinhart - where we also forget they folowed that up with trading away 1st, 4th, and a prospect for Ben Chiarot (wow), Owen Tippett, 1st and a 3rd for Claude Giroux that didn't work, until they were gifted Tkachuk who forced his way there.

All of that is to say - the Panthers are exactly an ideal path and one I hope we kind of avoid. That rebuild started in 2007 and it wasn't until 2021 that it really happened and a lot of that had to do to the fact that they hit on Bennett, Reinhart, and Tkachuk in succession despite making some real squirrely moves around it."

That FLA team up until 2021, was not great. It was a pretty badly stalled out rebuild and it took the acquired assets of 14 Years plus some pretty crazy 'diamond in the rough' reclamation projects to turn them into what they are. I don't think this is the path we should be hoping for.
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A 90 point winger forced his way there but they traded their own top winger at and top 4 d man to acquire. They also have barkov. And that right there is not comparable to anything in our team. Larkin in his wet dreams couldn't touch what barkov does on the ice.
 
toskaladagoat said:
A 90 point winger forced his way there but they traded their own top winger at and top 4 d man to acquire. They also have barkov. And that right there is not comparable to anything in our team. Larkin in his wet dreams couldn't touch what barkov does on the ice.
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Oh, I think you missed the point of my post. I don't think we are nor do I think we want to be compared with FLA in this instance. That list of guys we're all their lotto picks in that period of time, and many of them were not great picks. This was a decade + of futility. I was pointing out that we all salivate over FLA!, but the FLA of the last four years after they spent a decade of prospects in a spin cycle of trades over and over again trying to figure out the mix. This was not a comment on Huberdeau or Barkov, etc. More that to be Florida, you need about a decade's worth of drafted capital thats been churned
 
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JoesuffP said:
Lundell + 9th OA

Or

Desnoyers/Iginla + mid tier roster player

Or

Robertson signed straight up
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Robertson new contract , we can handle it. Do we really need top end center between Robertson and Raymond? Is Copp will do it?
Lundell + second+?
 
SirloinUB said:
Atta boy Stevie. Maybe you're not completely washed up after all.
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Nobody expected Yzerman to make a panic move. Reading between the lines, I wonder if Seravalli saying this now (when everybody already knew Yzerman would be willing to wait at least a bit to get a good return) means that one or more teams already HAVE submitted a decent offer, and this is posturing through back channels to get an even better return.

The last 24 to 48 hours before the draft will be interesting. If there's even one trade partner that wants to get this done prior to their first round pick, there might be a last minute flurry of activity.
 
jkutswings said:
Nobody expected Yzerman to make a panic move. Reading between the lines, I wonder if Seravalli saying this now (when everybody already knew Yzerman would be willing to wait at least a bit to get a good return) means that one or more teams already HAVE submitted a decent offer, and this is posturing through back channels to get an even better return.

The last 24 to 48 hours before the draft will be interesting. If there's even one trade partner that wants to get this done prior to their first round pick, there might be a last minute flurry of activity.
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You're right but it is re-assuring to see reporting that Yzerman is willing to be patient/play hardball.
 
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JediOrderPizza said:
I'll take the more consistent numbers. If Raymond is in the 80-90 point range in the back half all is well.
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More consistent in what sense?

Huberdeaus time in Florida:
14/15- 70th in league scoring, led his team by 10pts
15/16- 73 in league scoring
16/17 - injured, 28th in pts/game
17/18 - 37th in league scoring
18/19 - 13th In league scoring
19/20 - 11th in league scoring
20/21 - 12th in league scoring
21/22 - 2nd in league scoring

Meanwhile Raymond’s best so far is 26th, with exactly 80pts

Huberdeau was a legitimate star in the league. Raymond has just been a good 1st line player
 
nbwingsfan said:
More consistent in what sense?

Huberdeaus time in Florida:
14/15- 70th in league scoring, led his team by 10pts
15/16- 73 in league scoring
16/17 - injured, 28th in pts/game
17/18 - 37th in league scoring
18/19 - 13th In league scoring
19/20 - 11th in league scoring
20/21 - 12th in league scoring
21/22 - 2nd in league scoring

Meanwhile Raymond’s best so far is 26th, with exactly 80pts

Huberdeau was a legitimate star in the league. Raymond has just been a good 1st line player
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Will just have to compare when Raymond is 28 I guess.
 
It's a shame he would never agree to play there, because it would make a lot of sense for Larkin to go to Winnipeg, Hellebuyck to go to Florida, and Lundell to go to Detroit. Maybe adding Cossa and getting something else in return.
 
Frk It said:
Maybe we should stop looking at where these trades are lopsided and one side wins and one side loses.

I happen to think if we trade with someone like Utah it could be a win-win for both sides.
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Utah is the one that makes the most sense for both teams for sure. I think there's several trades to be made out there, but Utahs combo of ready to start winning now and their prospects makes the most sense by far to me.
dj4aces said:
I recall seeing a couple tweets about the idea of a Robertson-for-Larkin trade. I think both sides would walk away from that one quite pleased. Dallas adds a 2C at a discount, and we add another 40-goal scorer. The biggest question mark though is, what do we do about centers?
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I think you would have to make a move for one more center, even if it isn't a complete stud. Throw a package together for McTavish, Frost etc. Then hope playing with Robertson/Raymond/Debrincat that Kasper goes back to his rookie season form.
 
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wingsfannnn9191 said:
Don’t know if I believe it

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I could see this being a place Larkin warms up to. Young, playoff team on the way up, nice weather etc etc.

He probably wont waive for there immediately if he can hold out for some of his other teams to make an offer, but I think if it drags out and he just wants it done with... Anaheim absolutely has the assets to make the trade as well
 
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SirloinUB said:
Atta boy Stevie. Maybe you're not completely washed up after all.
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You need confirmation of this from a guy who went full grey at 33 years old? Yzerman looks younger thank Filthy Frank. Don't know why this gives u validation and Yzerman clowns about 90 percent of the GM's in this closed country club of a league.
 
the larkin not wanting to go to cali makes sense. for the non americans here, california taxes the ever loving piss out of you, especially if you make millions of dollars. this last superbowl was played in cali and the winning qb LOST $71,000 for playing in the game.
 
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