Speculation: Larkin trade return

[Claypool]

I recall seeing a couple tweets about the idea of a Robertson-for-Larkin trade. I think both sides would walk away from that one quite pleased. Dallas adds a 2C at a discount, and we add another 40-goal scorer. The biggest question mark though is, what do we do about centers?

Robertson is a RFA. If Dallas trades him, it'll be to a team that can sign him long-term. He's not signing with Detroit.

 

[19 for president]

So, what's the argument here? "Jason Robertson will sign a 8x$14m deal to play in Detroit, but he might not put up 40 til we get a center"? Or, what, do you think Yzerman would (or should) pass on Robertson, if he were offered, simply because our "best potential center" is Kasper?

I'm generally a winger last gal. Its the position that is easiest to fill. So I'd rather use Larkin to get a young center than winger in general. Even if Robertson is likely the best individual player we'd get in a trade for Larkin.

If Robertson ends up as a 30/40/70 guy because we don't have a playmaking center that 14 mil contract will look terrible. The till we get a center bit is important. I'm not opposed to Robertson but you better be pushing for something to shore up the center position sooner than later if you do. Like if you the use DBC to get you a center basically swap 1st line wingers and downsize the age 3 years great.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Robertson is a RFA. If Dallas trades him, it'll be to a team that can sign him long-term. He's not signing with Detroit.

Played some hockey in Michigan. He could want to play here, for all we know.

 

[Frk It]

I think you could make a really nice trade work with Utah, even if you had to include Cossa. I think you could also get something interesting out of Anaheim and San Jose. What I don't think we can get is equal value in terms of every-day NHL regulars. The people who want that back in return are the ones who will be disappointed.

The only trades I can think of where teams like us traded away a player like Larkin and came out well for it is trades for futures.

So yeah, that’s probably what we will have to do here.

 

[SirKillalot]

Robertson is a RFA. If Dallas trades him, it'll be to a team that can sign him long-term. He's not signing with Detroit.

If he gets a good contract he might, just uncertain if Yzerman would pay him slightly above market price.

 

[dj4aces]

If Robertson ends up as a 30/40/70 guy because we don't have a playmaking center that 14 mil contract will look terrible. The till we get a center bit is important. I'm not opposed to Robertson but you better be pushing for something to shore up the center position sooner than later if you do. Like if you the use DBC to get you a center basically swap 1st line wingers and downsize the age 3 years great.

My whole point was simply that Robertson would be a good get, if the stars aligned and we managed to snag him. There are, however, a whole boatload of unknowns, the primary one being whether the Stars are actually interested, and if Robertson is on the table. If Dallas wants Larkin and Robertson is on the table, Stevie absolutely doesn't say no, regardless of the center problem.

 

[Redwing66]

More than likely you will get prospects and picks for Larkin. He's a 2C and no one will give up a 1C for him let alone a 1C and a 2C - even with Cossa thrown in. The last 7 years have been a waste of time, get on with the rebuild of the rebuild, trade Debrincat (only guy I really like on this team) and start the build around Mo

 

[FMichael]

More than likely you will get prospects and picks for Larkin. He's a 2C and no one will give up a 1C for him let alone a 1C and a 2C - even with Cossa thrown in. The last 7 years have been a waste of time, get on with the rebuild of the rebuild, trade Debrincat (only guy I really like on this team) and start the build around Mo

If only rebuilds were an exact science and guaranteed success.

 

[Pavels Dog]

What I don't think we can get is equal value in terms of every-day NHL regulars. The people who want that back in return are the ones who will be disappointed.

Potential for equal value needs to be there, even if it's some ~5% pipe dream or something that comes in a completely different form (i.e. via a Wallstedt, via defense or via depth).

 

[Henkka]

So, what's the argument here? "Jason Robertson will sign a 8x$14m deal to play in Detroit, but he might not put up 40 til we get a center"? Or, what, do you think Yzerman would (or should) pass on Robertson, if he were offered, simply because our "best potential center" is Kasper?

DeBrincat did put 41 goals mostly with Copp.

That's funny and tells a lot about how things can go.

 

[Oddbob]

DeBrincat did put 41 goals mostly with Copp.

That's funny and tells a lot about how things can go.

Copp had little to no real affect in making most of those goals happen. Copp picks up most of his pts when he just happened to touched the puck, but others made the play happen. Maybe 10 his assists on Cat goals were because he did something really good.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

17 of which were with Larkin on the ice

Kane was on the ice for 33 of 41 debrincat goals last year and year prior 25 of 39. I’d be more worried about debrincat’s scoring after Kane leaves than Larkin

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

DeBrincat did put 41 goals mostly with Copp.

That's funny and tells a lot about how things can go.

Copp is our new jvr?

 

[wings95]

The only trades I can think of where teams like us traded away a player like Larkin and came out well for it is trades for futures.

So yeah, that’s probably what we will have to do here.

I agree

 

[ZombosNose]

DeBrincat did put 41 goals mostly with Copp.

That's funny and tells a lot about how things can go.

21 of 41...

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

The only trades I can think of where teams like us traded away a player like Larkin and came out well for it is trades for futures.

So yeah, that’s probably what we will have to do here.

100%

Any trade where Detroit trades DL for experienced and proven NHLers, we 100% guaranteed will be not only lose the trade but it would be a pathetic return that does nothing for us longterm ie

Larkin and Cossa to Vegas for Karlsson and Hertl

 

[datsyukfan]

Copp had little to no real affect in making most of those goals happen. Copp picks up most of his pts when he just happened to touched the puck, but others made the play happen. Maybe 10 his assists on Cat goals were because he did something really good.

That’s a decent amount considering Cat scored a good amount on PP too. Copp did do a lot of the dirty work for that line

 

[Winger98]

Re: Robertson

His set-up guy would be Raymond. We'd still want to find a better center for that spot than someone we have in the system already (likely anyway, outside of someone finding their game in a crazy way) but I think we have the guy We'd hope would be the facilitator on that line.

 

[nbwingsfan]

How is Barkov, Ekblad, Huberdeau different than Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson? Hint: it isn’t.

The difference isn’t that they did something before or after. The difference is that they were aggressive.

Eh I’d say it is quite different

Barkov > Seider
Ekblad = Ed
Huberdeau >>>> Raymond

it’s easy to forget just how good Huberdeau was with Florida

Agreed though they don’t win without how aggressive they were

 

[izlez]

Copp had little to no real affect in making most of those goals happen. Copp picks up most of his pts when he just happened to touched the puck, but others made the play happen. Maybe 10 his assists on Cat goals were because he did something really good.

Sounds like we don't even need to worry about getting any centers!

 

[Pavels Dog]

Eh I’d say it is quite different

Barkov > Seider
Ekblad = Ed
Huberdeau >>>> Raymond

it’s easy to forget just how good Huberdeau was with Florida

Agreed though they don’t win without how aggressive they were

2018-2022 Huberdeau may have been better than Raymond, but that was Huberdeau at 25-29.

Easy to forget just how young Raymond still is.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

A bit disingenuous with Huber>>>>Ray. Huber was 25 for his 92 pts season and 28 for his 115 pt season. He then tanked on Calgary. We haven't hit those ages with Raymond yet.

Ray

Huber

 

[nbwingsfan]

2018-2022 Huberdeau may have been better than Raymond, but that was Huberdeau at 25-29.

Easy to forget just how young Raymond still is.

Do you actually see Raymond getting anywhere close to 7th in league scoring over a 5 year span?

 

[nbwingsfan]

A bit disingenuous with Huber>>>>Ray. Huber was 25 for his 92 pts season and 28 for his 115 pt season. He then tanked on Calgary. We haven't hit those ages with Raymond yet.

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[JediOrderPizza]

Do you actually see Raymond getting anywhere close to 7th in league scoring over a 5 year span?

I'll take the more consistent numbers. If Raymond is in the 80-90 point range in the back half all is well.