I agree with the sentiment and I won’t begrudge players for signing a long-term deal. They just lose the ability to control their situation if they don’t like the direction of the franchise. It’s the risk that is inherit with those contracts.
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I agree with the sentiment and I won’t begrudge players for signing a long-term deal. They just lose the ability to control their situation if they don’t like the direction of the franchise. It’s the risk that is inherit with those contracts.
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Good thing, Or the Panthers best prospect? I said the latter, and said that there are better packages to be had
If I know anything, it's that if Claypool hates something, it probably isn't that bad. And it's also likely to happen so we can continue to hear about how displeased he is about it.
Get ready for McTavish in the winged wheel everybody
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Yeah, but we shouldn't want that if that is all the Panthers can offer. Larkin can stay here for 5 more season if that is the best we can get.
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I was never suggesting that be the case. And yes, Detroit can do much better and should do much better
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Every time I see someone say "blow it up", "trade everything", and "eat bad contracts and take late round picks", it's that movie I think of. Remember at the end, when the five year plan becomes "another five year plan"? Yeah. Exactly. No one wants that.
If he doesn't walk away from that trade with a rabbit, he's going to have a lot of angry fans, because at that point we'll have no choice but to embark on another ten year plan... and rest assured, unless the stars align perfectly, it's a ten year plan.
For some guys, there's an allure to the idea of being one of the core guys on the team, instead of just a cog in the machine. This isn't to say I necessarily believe that Robertson would be willing to join the Wings in a hypothetical trade scenario, just that every player has something different in mind.
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McTavish’s skating really concerns me. Just doesn’t have an extra gear.
I think it is a legit concern if you are trading him to play center and valuing him as such. He has always had heavy feet and pundits and fans still comment on it.
yeah, but he's also put 40 points up consistently despite it. He's not my ideal return for Larkin, but I wouldn't mind getting him. Really like the idea of getting something we like from Utah and trying to pull McTavish in a separate deal.
It was probably more of a passing vibes based comment than anything specific.
I look at Hughes returning 4 quality pieces including the top prospect from the wild while only having a contract for 1.5 years.
To me any Larkin return should start with a given teams #1 prospect, their 1st, another quality prospect/young player and then one other piece.
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They're out there. The 8.7 million dollar question is, are they a match for Larkin.
ya what garbage trade … didn’t even include pick #9 Good luck with that .. best are some comments saying take out Lundell these people think they’re getting a Larkin for trash
dj4aces
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Everyone involved with brainstorming that trade should feel bad.
Good luck with that .. best are some comments saying take out Lundell these people think they’re getting a Larkin for trash
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It's an understanding that if a player like McTavish is coming back, that you at least get a high end prospect and a 1st along with him as well. Because you're taking a major step back from Larkin and leaving a bigger gap down the middle.
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Hughes is a top 3 player at his position and 26 years old.
Larkin is maybe like the 15th best center and a month away from turning 30.
But maybe we could aim for something like the O’Reilly return.
Good luck with that .. best are some comments saying take out Lundell these people think they’re getting a Larkin for trash
Seeing your posts on the topic, I feel like you are setting yourself up for a pretty big letdown.
Through their first 5 years respectively their stat lines amount to 82 game seasons of:
Larkin - 22.6 goals, 33.5 assists (56 points) averaging 19:03 ATOI. So roughly a player transitioning into a first line center role in terms of ice time
Lundell - 17.8 goals, 28 assists (46 points) averaging 16:37 ATOI. More of middle 6, leaning into a prominent 2nd liner. Cosplaying as a first liner this year with the injuries. With the larger role this year, his numbers translate to 23.1 and 33.3 which put him in that same 56-point range for one year, granted Larkin had already had a season threatening a point per game.
Point is, Lundell has a profile of a reasonable second line center that demonstrated untapped production tied to his role. Moving to Detroit, he would have a good chance of playing with one of Raymond or DeBrincat (assuming they are around) and likely a real look at first powerplay unit, as it will need a center to step in. Also at 24, while you begin to settle into what you are, there's nothing to say that there isn't more to be uncovered.
There's plenty of value in that trade offer, even if it doesn't have sex appeal.
The more I think about it the more I lean towards keeping Larkin in to the season.
Obviously I wouldn’t say no to a great deal now but or later this summer but I think next season is when we will get the best return.
Obviously I wouldn’t say no to a great deal now but or later this summer but I think next season is when we will get the best return.
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Do you think Larkin suits up and plays for us again?
I think going into the season is very much a last resort. Don’t think Yzerman or Larkin want that.
I think Larkin will continue to expand his list as we get closer to the season.
No I don't think he does, but it's not something we should be afraid of. All else equal, I think both Yzerman and Larkin would prefer to have this done sooner than later
To be clear, my previous post wasn't a prediction but I do think its the time frame that maximizes the return for us.
Rival GMs can afford to be patient all summer. They can sit there thinking "no way yzerman wants to take this into the season" and negotiate accordingly.
Once you get into the season, that pressure point flips. At that point, Larkin is primed to be as open as possible to move on and other GMs have lost the luxury of patience. The clock is ticking if they want their team to compete. If their team is off to a good start they will be motivated to add, if they are off to a slow start, they will be motivated to get things going. If their young assets aren't thriving they'll be motivated to get NHL ready help, etc.
I think American thanksgiving-ish is the window that gives us the best opportunity to maximize the return.
Agreed. This is a franchise shaping decision. Hard to pick a direction with other players in free agency and trades if the biggest domino hasn't fallen
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And while I wouldn't use the word afraid, I think next season would get very messy very quickly if Larkin was still with Detroit. He either is adding a distraction by getting scratched or adding a distraction by playing.
