Speculation: Larkin trade return

[jkutswings]

Contender teams besides Florida don't have high draft picks.

No, I mean that Detroit needs to end next season low in the standings. Their own pick needs to be a high draft pick.

 

[SirloinUB]

Same. (Mostly just bc I don’t love that return from a value perspective)

Also not convinced our FO would want Wallstedt, given they already passed on him once before.

Things change though, right?

They traded up to land Cossa and now they are allegedly ready to cut bait.

 

[townman]

Iginla (6th OA) - 9th OA
Beaudoin (24th OA) - 25th OA
1st rd 26’ (19th OA) - Future 1st + future 2nd

I would do this deal as a template off the Tkachuk deal.
Sell them on the fact they get to keep their 2 prized prospects at premier positions (Desnoyer and Simashev).

Helps us a lot that those prospects have already progressed 2 years post draft and still look great. Plus I think Tij is going to be better then Desnoyer anyways.

If we could do that deal I'd be pretty happy. Having watched a fair bit of both Iginla and Desnoyer, I think Iginla would be their untouchable being the first player ever drafted by Utah as well as being the better player IMO.

 

[SirloinUB]

I wouldn't love a Wallstadt + Yurov + package but this morning I'm feeling resigned to it being the best we can do.

I certainly hope we do better. Im just not feeling good about it at the moment.

 

[SirKillalot]

No, I mean that Detroit needs to end next season low in the standings. Their own pick needs to be a high draft pick.

Only way that happens is if we trade everyone not named Seider, Edvinsson and Raymond. Maybe you keep DeBrincat because I think he's a good guy to have and he can be there long term if he is sold on that it might take less time by drafting top end high and develop the kids, but the rest have to go then and play the kids. If not, one is trading probably him away as rental initially. Maybe doing that and re-signing him next summer.

Copp, Compher, Rasmussen, Faulk, Chiarot, Appleton, Gibson all need to go.
Kane, van Riemsdyk, Perron and Talbot not re-signed.

 

[jkutswings]

Only way that happens is if we trade everyone not named Seider, Edvinsson and Raymond. Maybe you keep DeBrincat because I think he's a good guy to have and he can be there long term if he is sold on that it might take less time by drafting top end high and develop the kids, but the rest have to go then and play the kids. If not, one is trading probably him away as rental initially. Maybe doing that and re-signing him next summer.

Copp, Compher, Rasmussen, Faulk, Chiarot, Appleton, Gibson all need to go.
Kane, van Riemsdyk, Perron and Talbot not re-signed.

Yup.

 

[ShanahanMan]

The fact this is dragging out means the return is not there. Wouldn’t be surprised if he starts the season with us (or is sat)

 

[ColdToiletSeats]

The fact this is dragging out means the return is not there. Wouldn’t be surprised if he starts the season with us (or is sat)

Yzerman is just milking it to get the highest outcome.. Brady already set the minimum of what's coming back to us.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Yzerman is just milking it to get the highest outcome.. Brady already set the minimum of what's coming back to us.

Larkin isn’t worth anywhere close to Brady

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I wouldn't love a Wallstadt + Yurov + package but this morning I'm feeling resigned to it being the best we can do.

I certainly hope we do better. Im just not feeling good about it at the moment.

I don’t think it’s *impossible* that we land on a disappointing Minnesota return, but I really do not see that as inevitable at this point.

Vegas and Carolina like just finished playing, and Vegas were apparently in on Brady so they may pivot from that. I think they’re lethal enough to move guys like Karlsson and Dorofoyev to bring a third team in for Larkin. Larkin himself might just be having conversations with his family about an Anaheim or Utah or New Jersey. A team like Dallas might be working to move pieces around.

We’ll see if nothing is done by July 1, but I don’t think this is a doomed situation by any stretch.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Larkin isn’t worth anywhere close to Brady

Maybe we can get some more busts like Simon Edvinsson.

 

[SirloinUB]

Only way that happens is if we trade everyone not named Seider, Edvinsson and Raymond. Maybe you keep DeBrincat because I think he's a good guy to have and he can be there long term if he is sold on that it might take less time by drafting top end high and develop the kids, but the rest have to go then and play the kids. If not, one is trading probably him away as rental initially. Maybe doing that and re-signing him next summer.

Copp, Compher, Rasmussen, Faulk, Chiarot, Appleton, Gibson all need to go.
Kane, van Riemsdyk, Perron and Talbot not re-signed.

So you want to unload 38M on top of trading Larkin. That would leave us approximately 40M under the cap floor (assuming Ed gets a long term deal, even more if he chooses to sign a bridge).

How are you planning to get above the cap floor?

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Vegas needs a goalie. Their goaltending could have cost them a pick.

As for us, beggars can't be choosers.

They won’t give up Connelly for an unproven goalie

And yes we can be choosers since we’re beggars. We’re not winning anyways …..you’ve been broken down …. Your like a gf who’s been beaten up by her abusive bf and keeps coming back …. Why settle for garbage ? He’s locked in for 5 years …. Ya sorry Dylan we couldn’t work out a deal with your two team list. see you in September

It’s not that hard.

 

[DTR]

I don’t think it’s *impossible* that we land on a disappointing Minnesota return, but I really do not see that as inevitable at this point.

Vegas and Carolina like just finished playing, and Vegas were apparently in on Brady so they may pivot from that. I think they’re lethal enough to move guys like Karlsson and Dorofoyev to bring a third team in for Larkin. Larkin himself might just be having conversations with his family about an Anaheim or Utah or New Jersey. A team like Dallas might be working to move pieces around.

We’ll see if nothing is done by July 1, but I don’t think this is a doomed situation by any stretch.

I think if we end up with a disappointing return it’s because Yzerman just did a poor job of picking the assets we get back as opposed to Yzerman panicking to make a trade to avoid keeping Larkin around.

The Wild trade could have been consummated literally at any time. We have since heard they made an offer for Brady though they still prefer Larkin (per Friedman). That to me reads that Guerin isn’t optimistic he’s landing Larkin and is trying to find other ways to improve the team.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

The fact this is dragging out means the return is not there. Wouldn’t be surprised if he starts the season with us (or is sat)

Make him play just so he can get boo’d on a nightly basis and get tomatoes thrown at him

 

[jaster]

Only way that happens is if we trade everyone not named Seider, Edvinsson and Raymond. Maybe you keep DeBrincat because I think he's a good guy to have and he can be there long term if he is sold on that it might take less time by drafting top end high and develop the kids, but the rest have to go then and play the kids. If not, one is trading probably him away as rental initially. Maybe doing that and re-signing him next summer.

Copp, Compher, Rasmussen, Faulk, Chiarot, Appleton, Gibson all need to go.
Kane, van Riemsdyk, Perron and Talbot not re-signed.

I really don't think you need to trade guys like Rasmussen or Appleton to tank lol. Those are the guys you keep and let play higher in the lineup.

Trading Larkin, Faulk, Gibson, and DeBrincat, and replacing them with even more Ras/Appleton types will probably get it done.

Finnie - Copp - Raymond
Kasper - Compher - MBN
UFA - Rasmussen - Appleton
Mazur - Danielson - UFA
UFA/Lombardi
UFA

Chiarot - Mo
Ed - ASP
AlJo - JBD
UFA

Postava
UFA

I think this gets us a pretty good pick in 2027. I don't expect it to happen, Yzerman is too far along in his tenure, but you trade those big names to get high picks in '26/'27 and young players/prospects, plus your own high pick in 2027, and I think you've got the best shot to build a winner around Mo before he's 35.

 

[lilidk]

Larkin for Isaac Cirelli , Paul ,

I’m trying to be a patient person but it’s frustrating that we are still speculating on the Larkin trade while other teams are making meaningful trades. This is my nightmare.

Brothers reunion probably been cooking for longer time.

 

[jaster]

So you want to unload 38M on top of trading Larkin. That would leave us approximately 40M under the cap floor (assuming Ed gets a long term deal, even more if he chooses to sign a bridge).

How are you planning to get above the cap floor?

Sign any number of mediocre, overpriced UFAs that are plentiful every off-season. As a bonus, you'll build some goodwill with the NHLPA lol.

 

[RabidBadger]

So you want to unload 38M on top of trading Larkin. That would leave us approximately 40M under the cap floor (assuming Ed gets a long term deal, even more if he chooses to sign a bridge).

How are you planning to get above the cap floor?

Easy, just offer Tuch a 40mil/year contract. Cap floor and 1st line winger issues solved

 

[Hen Kolland]

I would flip Wallstedt simply because I think he has more trade value. Frankly I might even trade both Wallstedt and Cossa.

If the Wings have any interest in the value of Wallstedt, undoubtedly they would have lined up a third leg to any trade.

Larkin to Minnesota

Wallstedt to Utah

Iginla/Desnoyers, Stramel, Yurov to Detroit

The only question would be what gets Utah's return to a level to where a top prospect becomes achievable. It's not like you're trading an established elite goalie, just one you hope might become one soon.

Draft picks in theory could level things out, but whose picks go to which teams. If you can't land Iginla or Desnoyers, can you handle Peterka and the Minnesota prospects as the foundational pieces, so on, so forth

 

[SirloinUB]

They won’t give up Connelly for an unproven goalie

And yes we can be choosers since we’re beggars. We’re not winning anyways …..you’ve been broken down …. Your like a gf who’s been beaten up by her abusive bf and keeps coming back …. Why settle for garbage ? He’s locked in for 5 years …. Ya sorry Dylan we couldn’t work out a deal with your two team list. see you in September

It’s not that hard.

I don't really know what you're on about with this post.

Im all for playing hard ball with Larkin but we eventually do have to move forward.

 

[SirloinUB]

Sign any number of mediocre, overpriced UFAs that are plentiful every off-season. As a bonus, you'll build some goodwill with the NHLPA lol.

There are like 6 other teams well below the cap floor. I think some of you are overestimating how attainable adding 40M+ of salary would be.

 

[RabidBadger]

Vegas needs a goalie. Their goaltending could have cost them a pick.

As for us, beggars can't be choosers.

I don't really buy that we're beggars, though. I know the mood has shifted here with Fleriduh off the table as a trade partner but the Wings are still sitting on the best available trade chip on the market. It's up to Yzerman not to piss in our Two Hearted Ales with the return.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

I don't really know what you're on about with this post.

Im all for playing hard ball with Larkin but we eventually do have to move forward.

cool

Eventually we’ll have to move forward … Yzerman will decide when that time is not Larkin. I’m glad Yzerman’s our gm for this deal cause he won’t get pushed around … accept a trade elsewhere or see you at camp

 

[SirKillalot]

Larkin isn’t worth anywhere close to Brady

He is because of position and being a better player. Age makes it more evenly.

So you want to unload 38M on top of trading Larkin. That would leave us approximately 40M under the cap floor (assuming Ed gets a long term deal, even more if he chooses to sign a bridge).

How are you planning to get above the cap floor?

Its an option to take on some bad short term contracts/situations.

I really don't think you need to trade guys like Rasmussen or Appleton to tank lol. Those are the guys you keep and let play higher in the lineup.

True, you could push Rasmussen up and see what he does with it. Appleton on a one year deal at 50% retained should get interest somewhere for some asset back.