Value of: Lane Hutson's contract extension on July 1st

[TheBeastCoast]

the risk goes both ways. if he gets offered a contract in the sanderson/faber mold he would sign it. 60+ million guaranteed money is a lot and none of us would turn it down because 12m sounds fine we MAYBE can make good on it on a second contract.


agents don't use cap hit. they use cap percentage.

Yeah if they offer him north of 8 million that might get him listening. All guess work though.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

7 million

 

[Szechwan]

I'd be bridging him to see if he learns to pay in his own end before I pay him 8m. If he does, then he's probably well worth the money.if he doesn't, you dodged a major bullet.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

the risk goes both ways. if he gets offered a contract in the sanderson/faber mold he would sign it. 60+ million guaranteed money is a lot and none of us would turn it down because 12m sounds fine we MAYBE can make good on it on a second contract.


agents don't use cap hit. they use cap percentage.

I am aware of cap hit percentages.

 

[Essenege]

It’s a no brainer for young players to take these long term deal early. You lose a bit overall (not that much because you’re paid more early on), but it’s a relatively cheap insurance policy on a major injury. And you can still get big bucks at 28-30 y/o if you’re a star.

I hope the “Suzuki cap” work its magic but realistically, if he takes the Faber/Sanderson deal Habs should jump on it.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

Hutson is the exact kind of player teams should bridge

Agree 100%

Worth the risk of paying more a couple years later

 

[Benstheman]

Agree 100%

Worth the risk of paying more a couple years later

I agree on a bridge deal for Hutson. He is really good but he has is issues and quite frankly, I would like to test his durability for more than 1 year.

2 years at 5,5 M$.

Off course it is a bit of a risk but if he becomes elite, I would be more than fine paying him what he will be worth.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

If you don’t think Hughes is gonna be hesitant about handing Hutson a wealth contract already, you’re likely not being honest about the situation.. He may ultimately be forced to, but he’ll wake up drenched some nights.

He’s fun to watch but are you putting him on the ice, the last 10 minutes of 1 goal playoff games? As long as that answer remains “no” it’s a big chance you’re taking. If you’re answering “yes” to that question, you just can’t be taken seriously.

Ultimately you roster and ice a team to win Stanley Cups. Not to be super-extra entertaining. You can guarantee Hughes is already searching for a long-term partner, who’ll have at least above average wheels, but is as defensive as they come, to protect Hutson better.

He’s also not 18-19 years old. He’ll be 21 in a month or so. He’s had a couple of years to try bulking up. It’s just almost impossible with a small frame. Nothing to do with height. He could be cut like Arnold Schwarzenegger, and it’s not gonna make much difference with his slender build. He’s nothing like Quinn Hughes in that regard.

That generally equals lots of injuries playing in the NHL. Once again though, they might be forced to hand him one of these wealth contracts. I’m gonna guess they try to bridge him though, if only to protect themselves. Is it fair to him? Yea, it is. If he can’t be trusted to be on the ice during close playoff games, how do you justify giving 9-10% of your cap to him?

It’s always scary giving dmen who need protection, one of these wealth contracts. Byrum doesn’t have one yet, and he’s up after this year. In Hutson’s case, it’s hard to see how this issue is ever NOT going to be an issue. With others you can work on things. Buffalo and Philly are trying to work on those deficiencies with Byrum and Drysdale. Philly is literally breaking Drysdale down, and rebuilding his game.

He’s gonna be in his 23-24 year old season when that new contract takes effect. They’re likely to stall as long as they can before making a final decision. Nobody at this size has EVER had a long, successful career. Their body breaks down. He’s gonna be too young and too competitive to LTIR out with lingering injuries that will start piling up though. Beau Bennett is a great example and he was a bigger player. Not a dman either. The players with slender builds, who can’t put on the weight, start piling up injuries. In Beau’s case the injuries started before he ever played an NHL game, but for years, he was the most talented 1991 born NA player.

So while it’s easy for fans who love stat sheets and exciting play, to just blindly endorse handing him a wealth contract, there’s this big question mark with him, and he hasn’t even been through an NHL schedule yet. Teams will adjust to his strengths as well. They’ll start matching up, to hit and wear him down.

Bottom line, they’re gonna try waiting as long as possible before handing him $65+ million. If it ends up costing them an extra $10 million by waiting, it’s likely a chance they’ll take.

What absolute horseshit lmao.

Sign him long term as soon as you can, unless you learned literally nothing from the Subban situation.

 

[Frank Drebin]

8x8 isn’t a big contract, if he is willing to sign for that you do it instantly. That’s borderline good second pairing guy money. The current elite guys like heiskanen, mcavoy etc will have two or three years left on their current deals by the time hutsons deal kicks in and will be getting paid 11-13 on the next one. makar will be signing for 13-15.

If he’s looking for 9 or 10 plus i think you may have to look at a bridge to see if he truly deserves #1 money.

Edit: guess the mcavoy and miro deals are more recent than i thought.

Nothing at all wrong with the quinn hughes or makar models, 6 years instead of 8 to keep the cap down

 

[viceroy]

$9-10M x 8 years

cap will be up at least $8M more by 26-27 season

Don't expect the Cap to keep going up. If the CDN falls like many are expecting, I'm talking under 60 cents USDN, the cap may stay at 92.5 for a while.

Yeah if they offer him north of 8 million that might get him listening. All guess work though.

Look man not all NHL'ers act like TML guys. Some players can act reasonably.

Nothing at all wrong with the quinn hughes or makar models, 6 years instead of 8 to keep the cap down

Like a Guhle type contract?

 

[amnesiac]

Don't expect the Cap to keep going up. If the CDN falls like many are expecting, I'm talking under 60 cents USDN, the cap may stay at 92.5 for a while.

highly doubtful.... its already projected to up to $92.4M next season

NHL salary cap projected to jump to at least $92.4 million next season, Bettman says | NHL.com

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[StreetHawk]

Don't expect the Cap to keep going up. If the CDN falls like many are expecting, I'm talking under 60 cents USDN, the cap may stay at 92.5 for a while.

Cap will go up because TV deal is an escalating payment each season, not an even amount per year of the contract IIRC. With the CAD dropping, I don't think the PA/NHL will target the higher end of that earlier range of $95-97 mill. Going to be more conservative.

Hutson is turning 21 in Feb, so has 6 more seasons before UFA. 5 RFA years after his elc is done.

Habs have time on their side. Better to use it. Again, I don't think waiting a year would have changed the amounts Sanderson/Power got in their contracts.

 

[ole ole]

I'd be bridging him to see if he learns to pay in his own end before I pay him 8m. If he does, then he's probably well worth the money.if he doesn't, you dodged a major bullet.

I'd pay him if he never got any better in his own end but he will get better and his offense is what we are paying for. Do it.

 

[viceroy]

highly doubtful.... its already projected to up to $92.4M next season

Cap will go up because TV deal is an escalating payment each season, not an even amount per year of the contract IIRC.

*sigh*

The 92.4/92.5 is basically set in stone because the NHL has intimated as such and budgets have been set accordingly however anything past that is vapors. You must realize that we are in a very fluid state world economy wise. With the rise of BRICS and the USDN's unsteady status as world reserve currency who knows where this is all going. In addition Canada is in a very fragile position therein.

Now additionally the NHL is STILL a very gate-driven league and without Canada's ticket sales... All I'm saying is don't count your chickens before they hatch okay?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Don’t see the dollar falling from basically 70 to under 60 cents lol.

Don't expect the Cap to keep going up. If the CDN falls like many are expecting, I'm talking under 60 cents USDN, the cap may stay at 92.5 for a while.

 

[viceroy]

Don’t see the dollar falling from basically 70 to under 60 cents lol.

If you're Canadian you shouldn't laugh things could spiral fast. If the US defaults and falls into hyper-inflation the world art large could realize that the emperor's little brother/Canada has no clothes. I mean we were, at what? 62 cents like 20 yrs ago?

 

[StreetHawk]

*sigh*

The 92.4/92.5 is basically set in stone because the NHL has intimated as such and budgets have been set accordingly however anything past that is vapors. You must realize that we are in a very fluid state world economy wise. With the rise of BRICS and the USDN's unsteady status as world reserve currency who knows where this is all going. In addition Canada is in a very fragile position therein.

Now additionally the NHL is STILL a very gate-driven league and without Canada's ticket sales... All I'm saying is don't count your chickens before they hatch okay?

PA achieved its goal of basically no escrow lost in the past year. They are not planning on being as aggressive as the GM/owners can be as they are protected if the event the split is greater than 50%. Only the Players lose out on escrow.

Question is how much if any amount above the agreed to $92.5 mill will the PA be willing to increase the cap for 25/26. But, they won't be thinking of the high end $97 mill that was floated out earlier in the season by the media.

 

[MoneyManny]

If you don’t think Hughes is gonna be hesitant about handing Hutson a wealth contract already, you’re likely not being honest about the situation.. He may ultimately be forced to, but he’ll wake up drenched some nights.

He’s fun to watch but are you putting him on the ice, the last 10 minutes of 1 goal playoff games? As long as that answer remains “no” it’s a big chance you’re taking. If you’re answering “yes” to that question, you just can’t be taken seriously.

Ultimately you roster and ice a team to win Stanley Cups. Not to be super-extra entertaining. You can guarantee Hughes is already searching for a long-term partner, who’ll have at least above average wheels, but is as defensive as they come, to protect Hutson better.

He’s also not 18-19 years old. He’ll be 21 in a month or so. He’s had a couple of years to try bulking up. It’s just almost impossible with a small frame. Nothing to do with height. He could be cut like Arnold Schwarzenegger, and it’s not gonna make much difference with his slender build. He’s nothing like Quinn Hughes in that regard.

That generally equals lots of injuries playing in the NHL. Once again though, they might be forced to hand him one of these wealth contracts. I’m gonna guess they try to bridge him though, if only to protect themselves. Is it fair to him? Yea, it is. If he can’t be trusted to be on the ice during close playoff games, how do you justify giving 9-10% of your cap to him?

It’s always scary giving dmen who need protection, one of these wealth contracts. Byrum doesn’t have one yet, and he’s up after this year. In Hutson’s case, it’s hard to see how this issue is ever NOT going to be an issue. With others you can work on things. Buffalo and Philly are trying to work on those deficiencies with Byrum and Drysdale. Philly is literally breaking Drysdale down, and rebuilding his game.

He’s gonna be in his 23-24 year old season when that new contract takes effect. They’re likely to stall as long as they can before making a final decision. Nobody at this size has EVER had a long, successful career. Their body breaks down. He’s gonna be too young and too competitive to LTIR out with lingering injuries that will start piling up though. Beau Bennett is a great example and he was a bigger player. Not a dman either. The players with slender builds, who can’t put on the weight, start piling up injuries. In Beau’s case the injuries started before he ever played an NHL game, but for years, he was the most talented 1991 born NA player.

So while it’s easy for fans who love stat sheets and exciting play, to just blindly endorse handing him a wealth contract, there’s this big question mark with him, and he hasn’t even been through an NHL schedule yet. Teams will adjust to his strengths as well. They’ll start matching up, to hit and wear him down.

Bottom line, they’re gonna try waiting as long as possible before handing him $65+ million. If it ends up costing them an extra $10 million by waiting, it’s likely a chance they’ll take.

I like the way the management has been locking up their core early. What else do they have to lose? In the unlikely event that guys like Hutson don't pan out, the rebuild would take much longer anyway and his contract would be the least of our worries then.

On the other hand if he proves to be a bargain, the Habs gain more cap flexibility which is tough for Canadian markets and massively important when its time to contend.

 

[ricky0034]

Yeah... But most young players seem willing to do this right now.

The alternative is you could sign a three year bridge and regress hard, which is exactly what's happening to Trevor Zegras.

there's something to be said for locking yourself into guaranteed "never need to think about money again" money that early in your career even if you end up being underpaid in a few years

and even if they do end up a bit underpaid they hit free agency right around their late 20s anyways and can go for a big contract then

 

[Jared Dunn]

if he's having a good season i think something along the lines of faber and sanderson is realistic.

I hope not as I don't think he projects to be the do it all #1 D they do/already kinda are but at the same time those deals are probably going to be bargains in a couple years. Hopefully 8 years 7-7.5

 

[Breakers]

He’ll ditch his current agent

Too inexperienced and young

 

[Golden_Jet]

If you're Canadian you shouldn't laugh things could spiral fast. If the US defaults and falls into hyper-inflation the world art large could realize that the emperor's little brother/Canada has no clothes. I mean we were, at what? 62 cents like 20 yrs ago?

And in 2011 and 2012 (12-13 years ago) it was worth more than the US dollar at times. Also briefly in 2007 I think.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

But according to HFHabs he is.. what, then?

An extremely talented future top defenseman in the league, pretty straightforward

 

[Captain97]

If you're Canadian you shouldn't laugh things could spiral fast. If the US defaults and falls into hyper-inflation the world art large could realize that the emperor's little brother/Canada has no clothes. I mean we were, at what? 62 cents like 20 yrs ago?

Bruh if the USA defaults none of us should care about the NHL. We are talking a global economic melt down. I don't think that's a scenario we need to consider when discussing the cap

 

[Dr Quincy]

I say wait until McDavid signs and then demand $1 more.

After Wilt Chamberlin got his new contract in 1965, Bill Russell went to Auerbach and demanded to be paid $1 more, and got it.