Player Discussion Lane Hutson: Part 3 - Calder Edition

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Some old hockey writers (voters) will cling to old school ideas of how a defenseman should look and play.
The same thinking that landed him at 62 will creep into the voting.

It’s going to Mack if he can stay healthy.
Although I'm sure there are some like that I suspect they are in the extreme minority. Those arguments started to die after Karlsson started winning his Norris'.

So it's possible in a razor thin win that those old fashioned people would swing it, but if Hutson is setting NHL records for D production and Celebrini is not also doing something historic it's not going to be razor thin. When one side is saying nobody's done this since Lidstrom and the other is saying nobody's done this Barzal it just doesn't hit the same.
 
his point pace has slowed significantly

He had a 5 game drought, no worst than around xmas where he had a 4 game drought, then went on a second tear.

Celebrini is -21 to Hutson's -15

Although I'm sure there are some like that I suspect they are in the extreme minority. Those arguments started to die after Karlsson started winning his Norris'.

So it's possible in a razor thin win that those old fashioned people would swing it, but if Hutson is setting NHL records for D production and Celebrini is not also doing something historic it's not going to be razor thin. When one side is saying nobody's done this since Lidstrom and the other is saying nobody's done this Barzal it just doesn't hit the same.

Exactly.

And it's sports journalists voting, not Vegas. If they see any kind of significant milestone or record by one player, they'll easily fall into that narrative.
 
Strictly based on yesterday game, Celebrini is better than Hutson.
Celebrini is a beauty of a player. He was better than Hutson last night for sure. But Celebrini is also on a hot streak right now (a quarter of his points this season have come in the last 10 games). Was last nights version of Celebrini better than the Hutson that was leading come back wins during the month he was hot? I don't think so.
 
Celebrini was leading the league in puck battles won per game if he maintains that it's very hard to ignore.
Lane Hutson was leading the league in slot passes/60 if I remember correctly. Also tough to ignore.

Shaping up for a good finish down the end.

FWIW my prediction a few weeks ago was Celebrini would win it, especially because its an award voted on by the PHWA and it seems like there's a lot more PHWA exposure in the US than Canada. There's been very few Calder wins by defensemen or Canadian-based players in the last 30 years.
 
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Lane Hutson was leading the league in slot passes/60 if I remember correctly. Also tough to ignore.

Shaping up for a good finish down the end.

FWIW my prediction a few weeks ago was Celebrini would win it, especially because its an award voted on by the PHWA and it seems like there's a lot more PHWA exposure in the US than Canada. There's been very few Calder wins by defensemen or Canadian-based players in the last 30 years.
Celebrini is a stud having a studly season. Let’s not act like hutson would be jobbed by biased voters if he didn’t win.

The chances of this happening are much less than they were 2 weeks ago but if Hutson outscores him i think it’s his trophy

Anyway, tough to rack up points when the pp is dying on laines or slafs stick. Second unit looked way better last night
 
Lane Hutson was leading the league in slot passes/60 if I remember correctly. Also tough to ignore.

Shaping up for a good finish down the end.

FWIW my prediction a few weeks ago was Celebrini would win it, especially because its an award voted on by the PHWA and it seems like there's a lot more PHWA exposure in the US than Canada. There's been very few Calder wins by defensemen or Canadian-based players in the last 30 years.
Hutson is American the last time I checked.
 
Not sure why that’s laughable,
Because he's had one of the most dominant seasons by a rookie in recent memory. Because he's been just as good as Celebrini this year if not better.
he’s been getting caved in defensively and his point pace has slowed significantly
For four games... come on. No rookie is going to consistently score every night over 82 games.
He’s 3rd behind Celebrini and Wolf right now
Highly debatable.
and I think it would take a pretty big turnaround to get back in the lead
Why? He's the leading rookie scorer. Wolf probably won't even hit 50 games and Celebrini has had slumps of his own. There's tons of hockey left and it's a dead heat right now.
Also how can he “easily take it” if it was “never going to be easy” lol
Do I really have to explain this?

"Easily take it" doesn't mean it will be done 'easily'. It means the voting could go either way. This shouldn't need to be spoonfed.
 
Because he's had one of the most dominant seasons by a rookie in recent memory. Because he's been just as good as Celebrini this year if not better.

For four games... come on. No rookie is going to consistently score every night over 82 games.

Highly debatable.

Why? He's the leading rookie scorer. Wolf probably won't even hit 50 games and Celebrini has had slumps of his own. There's tons of hockey left and it's a dead heat right now.

Do I really have to explain this?

"Easily take it" doesn't mean it will be done 'easily'. It means the voting could go either way. This shouldn't need to be spoonfed.
You are being blinded by homerism unfortunately

I hope he wins it but he has his work cut out for him right now
 
You are being blinded by homerism unfortunately
Nonsense. Hutson leads all rookies in scroing as a blueliner. There's absolutely no reason to think he's out of this race.
I hope he wins it but he has his work cut out for him right now
It's a dead heat. It's been a dead heat for most of the year and it'll most likely be a dead heat at the end. The idea that he's 'out of it' is ridiculous.
 
Celebrini is a beauty of a player. He was better than Hutson last night for sure. But Celebrini is also on a hot streak right now (a quarter of his points this season have come in the last 10 games). Was last nights version of Celebrini better than the Hutson that was leading come back wins during the month he was hot? I don't think so.
A quarter of Celebrini's games have also come in the last 10 games essentially lol, or 23.26% of them anyway.
 
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I hope Hutson ends up with 58 points or something and doesn't win the Calder. It will make negotiations for a more reasonable 2nd contract that much easier.
I’ve never understood this mentality. If a guy scores 50 goals… great! Pay him.

Hutson’s getting paid whether he wins the Calder or not. We might as well cheer him on.
 
If Hutson wins the Calder could be first time ever Habs won Calder two years in a row. With Demidov coming. Have a chance next year also.
 
what was NJ thinking with drafting Seamus Casey ahead of Hutson?

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identical size (so that wasn't the issue)?? What am I missing here?
 
what was NJ thinking with drafting Seamus Casey ahead of Hutson?

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identical size (so that wasn't the issue)?? What am I missing here?

RD + Skating.

Had Hutson been a good skater, he would've gone top 20 most likely. Size would've been the only knock off.

But the skating was bad. Still is...just compensates with a lot of drive and great reads.
 
I’ve never understood this mentality. If a guy scores 50 goals… great! Pay him.

Hutson’s getting paid whether he wins the Calder or not. We might as well cheer him on.
Key contracts signed early for cheaper have helped teams assemble more depth and win Cups. The McKinnon contract is an example of this.

7 years at 6.3M for his 2nd NHL contract where he got 53, 97, 99, 93, 65 (in 48 games), 88 and 111 points were quite useful in assembling more skilled depth in Colorado and in winning a Cup in the final year of that contract, all before signing for a 12.6M per year contract that will also become a bargain with 140 points in the first year of the latest 8-year contract and a pace for another 125 points in this, the second year of that contract.

I'm not saying to pay Hutson peanuts on his second NHL contract, but not being in a situation like PK Subban was after winning the Norris can only help increase the odds of signing for a slightly more friendly Cap hit on a second NHL contract after only one real season to back up demands if the offer is made this offseason.

I'd personally go like they did with Quinn Hughes and buy only two UFA years on a 6-year deal to limit the Cap impact and give more power to the player on the third NHL deal. Not only is it long enough to be part of an eventual Cup window as the reconstruction comes to an end and the talented youngsters have gained more NHL experience, but it also lets the team see a longer term body of work before busting the Cap piñata wide open for Hutson with maximum term and money.

If Hutson could command 9M and he agreed to a 6-year 8.25M per year contract, the 750K savings, along with decent deals to Suzuki, Caufield and Slafkovsky, as the Cap ceiling rises dramatically over the next three years and veteran contracts come off the books, can serve to ice a top-9 with skill superior, overall, to most teams.

It's the same principle as keeping total salaries for the Goalie position to 8M or less and spreading there Cap out to more skill on D and up front.

Nobody is asking to chintz out on Hutson's payday at all in a world where minimal, but spread out compromises add up when trying to build a genuine contender for the long term, not just for a one or two year window down the line.

Hopefully, you better understand my mentality for what it really is, whether than your imagined all-encompassing mentality, whether you agree with it or not, which is your prerogative, in the end.

I am always cheering Hutson on, but him not winning the Calder will certainly not destroy his chances of reaching his projected ceiling as an NHL player.

That ceiling is extremely high, IMO, and it's more about his production level in three years from now -- and for a very long time -- for me, rather than what hardware he goes home with after his rookie season.
 
RD + Skating.

Had Hutson been a good skater, he would've gone top 20 most likely. Size would've been the only knock off.

But the skating was bad. Still is...just compensates with a lot of drive and great reads.
The skating is not elite, for sure, but, as you say, the reads are and, also, so is the hustle and pace in his game.

The way Hutson can let an opponent be convinced that he is doing one thing, then following the read that the opponent is caught slightly off balance, do the opposite to exploit open ice is fabulous to watch.

It definitely makes his skating better the. opponents are flat-footed and exploited by his reads and split-second changes of direction.

Sure, Hutson would be even more of a threat and even more impressive if he became a better skater, but his stop and goes are hard to follow as it is and his hockey computer is also good enough to exploit the opposition as it is.

As for the alleged size concerns, Hutson's legs, not unlike Martin St-Louis, are tree trunks and that is what he needs in bulk to exploit his own skill set. I'm not sure that more bulk up top -- and more weight overall -- will actually greatly improve his game?

The skating would never hurt, of course.
 
Key contracts signed early for cheaper have helped teams assemble more depth and win Cups. The McKinnon contract is an example of this.

7 years at 6.3M for his 2nd NHL contract where he got 53, 97, 99, 93, 65 (in 48 games), 88 and 111 points were quite useful in assembling more skilled depth in Colorado and in winning a Cup in the final year of that contract, all before signing for a 12.6M per year contract that will also become a bargain with 140 points in the first year of the latest 8-year contract and a pace for another 125 points in this, the second year of that contract.

I'm not saying to pay Hutson peanuts on his second NHL contract, but not being in a situation like PK Subban was after winning the Norris can only help increase the odds of signing for a slightly more friendly Cap hit on a second NHL contract after only one real season to back up demands if the offer is made this offseason.

I'd personally go like they did with Quinn Hughes and buy only two UFA years on a 6-year deal to limit the Cap impact and give more power to the player on the third NHL deal. Not only is it long enough to be part of an eventual Cup window as the reconstruction comes to an end and the talented youngsters have gained more NHL experience, but it also lets the team see a longer term body of work before busting the Cap piñata wide open for Hutson with maximum term and money.

If Hutson could command 9M and he agreed to a 6-year 8.25M per year contract, the 750K savings, along with decent deals to Suzuki, Caufield and Slafkovsky, as the Cap ceiling rises dramatically over the next three years and veteran contracts come off the books, can serve to ice a top-9 with skill superior, overall, to most teams.

It's the same principle as keeping total salaries for the Goalie position to 8M or less and spreading there Cap out to more skill on D and up front.

Nobody is asking to chintz out on Hutson's payday at all in a world where minimal, but spread out compromises add up when trying to build a genuine contender for the long term, not just for a one or two year window down the line.

Hopefully, you better understand my mentality for what it really is, whether than your imagined all-encompassing mentality, whether you agree with it or not, which is your prerogative, in the end.

I am always cheering Hutson on, but him not winning the Calder will certainly not destroy his chances of reaching his projected ceiling as an NHL player.

That ceiling is extremely high, IMO, and it's more about his production level in three years from now -- and for a very long time -- for me, rather than what hardware he goes home with after his rookie season.
Whether he wins or loses that award isn’t going to affect his contract much.
 

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