Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

[JIMVINNY]

I didn't quite follow the thread. Are we talking about last game or all the games this season? I meant for the extra points that Hutson can get if we had better forwards this year.

I think it applies to all games, but I was using the last game as an example. While I'm sure he'd have more points if some of his set-ups had been converted, I don't think it's a simple as "Gally missed that easy goal, Hutson should have had 4 points!"

 

[Paddy17]

His NHL edge skating stats are insane considering his speed was always in question.

NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Skaters

NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics for skaters including skating speed, skating distance, shot speed, shot location, and zone time.

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He's 95th percentile top speed and 96th for 20-22mph bursts (and 99th for 18-20mph).

For reference, those are similar numbers as Quinn Hughes this year (a bit better actually) and to his usual numbers. Hughes has a way better shot however, though he's improved it significantly every year since his draft year. It's still impressive to see that Hutson now has high end to elite speed.

It's because of those photoshopped quads, man.

 

[Paddy17]

Is Lane Hutson is a concession player?

The question is good. I posted a great article from La Presse..french.. about that earlier today

Depends if the concession sells hotdogs or other merch...

Sorry, couldn't help myself. Not picking on your english/french translation. Just seizing the opportunity to add levity to this board.

I'll see myself out now.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Honestly, I get what you're saying. He doesn't have the straight line speed to catch up with a fast forward that gets past him, I don't disagree with you on that. I believe that the speed bursts that put him so high in those metrics are when he accelerates down into the zone from the blueline and goes from a standing still head fake to top speed in about 2 strides. He might not have elite speed, but he does have elite quickness and acceleration, which he uses to gain an advantage on opponents.

Yeah, that would make sense.

 

[crosbyshow]

Depends if the concession sells hotdogs or other merch...

Sorry, couldn't help myself. Not picking on your english/french translation. Just seizing the opportunity to add levity to this board.

I'll see myself out now.

Lol

What is the good translation for joueur de concession?

 

[morhilane]

Lol

What is the good translation for joueur de concession?

Franchise player

 

[Rapala]

I think it applies to all games, but I was using the last game as an example. While I'm sure he'd have more points if some of his set-ups had been converted, I don't think it's a simple as "Gally missed that easy goal, Hutson should have had 4 points!"

The coulda woulda shoulda game is an exercise in futility.
Suzuki shoulda been a PPG player last season but the law of averages happens.
I remember talking about our team and our PP in particular stating there are only so many goals to go around per unit.
When Laine joined we scored a few more but Caufield scored less. 1st line Caufield scoring up Suzuki scoring down.
Hutson's scoring will increase naturally as our line depth scoring improves.

 

[CaptnNemo]

If our forwards could capitalize better the chances that Hutson has created for them, Hutson could easily have an extra of 5 points.

I'd dare to say even 10.

For all of us that watched every game, he created at least 3-4 high scoring chances for the boys each game since day 1.

Imagine Anderson or Dvorak scoring on his plays since the beginning? Loll

Franchise player

Soon we'll have an other one up front.

 

[salbutera]

I don't think Hutson is faster skater than Hughes but Hutson has tremendous burst of speed that Hughes may not matched. Deception + high speed acceleration make Hutson a very dangerous player.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

As they say on the main board "it's just a hot streak"

19 points in his last 19 games, +7 at 5v5

Watchout Macklin

I honestly think Lane runs away with it in the 2nd half. He’s too damn good.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Markov had a better shot by a mile though, both wristers and slapshots.
Markov was also a rock on defense.

Hutson will go down as a much better dman when all is said and done. He’s going to be a superstar.

Markov had a better shot by a mile though, both wristers and slapshots.
Markov was also a rock on defense.

Hutson will go down as a much better dman when all is said and done. He’s going to be a superstar.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

They obviously knew what they were doing though. It’s easy now to sit here and second guess everyone else now that Hutson’s a star. But he was a 5’7 gamble. The Habs had to be thinking that he’d get passed over- which he did.

Still, if you truly believe in him you don’t risk losing him on a hunch. They got lucky.

 

[badfish]

Lol this little screen shot I made is going everywhere! I saw it being used on the main boards too. Too funny

 

[JustAHabFan]

I honestly think Lane runs away with it in the 2nd half. He’s too damn good.

The way Sharks fans convinced that Celebrini will win the Calder make me feel that they all will jump off a bridge if Hutson win the trophy.

 

[Walksss]

Still, if you truly believe in him you don’t risk losing him on a hunch. They got lucky.

I agree. If the Habs brass, or anyone around the NHL, would have thought he'd be *this* good, no chance you risk taking him late 2nd round.

They may have gambled correctly based on the size concerns but it was extremely lucky cause what a stud he is. Imagine him in 2-3 years, good lord.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

They obviously knew what they were doing though. It’s easy now to sit here and second guess everyone else now that Hutson’s a star. But he was a 5’7 gamble. The Habs had to be thinking that he’d get passed over- which he did.

Still, if you truly believe in him you don’t risk losing him on a hunch. They got lucky.

The best Habs prospect of my lifetime. Kid is unreal. I was a huge Brian Leetch fan growing up. He does things even Leetch couldn’t do.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Still, if you truly believe in him you don’t risk losing him on a hunch. They got lucky.

The best Habs prospect of my lifetime. Kid is unreal. I was a huge Brian Leetch fan growing up. He does things even Leetch couldn’t do.

They did believe in him. They tried to trade up in the 2nd round to take him. They probably rightly calculated he wouldn't go in the first or early 2nd and didn't want to use the 1st pick in the 2nd round on him. They then were fortunate that he fell to the end of the 2nd when they couldn't move up.

 

[Frank Drebin]

They did believe in him. They tried to trade up in the 2nd round to take him. They probably rightly calculated he wouldn't go in the first or early 2nd and didn't want to use the 1st pick in the 2nd round on him. They then were fortunate that he fell to the end of the 2nd when they couldn't move up.

I hate this logic. Imagine if another team felt the same way and grabbed him at 56 or even 32. Gambling an elite talent like Lane so you can stack players like phil mesar. yay.

They lucked out that he was still available at 62.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

They did believe in him. They tried to trade up in the 2nd round to take him. They probably rightly calculated he wouldn't go in the first or early 2nd and didn't want to use the 1st pick in the 2nd round on him. They then were fortunate that he fell to the end of the 2nd when they couldn't move up.

No, they didn’t let a superstar fall to 62 because they had super high faith in him. They got lucky, very lucky.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

No, they didn’t let a superstar fall to 62 because they had super high faith in him. They got lucky, very lucky.

There’s some truth to this but at the end of the day players who stand 5’7 aren’t generally in demand. And there was no guarantee he was going to grow - notes from his endchronologist notwithstanding.

The closest us shlubs here ever get to a real draft is a fantasy hockey one. I’ve participated in many. I get that it’s just fantasy but the same rules apply.

I don’t draft players I think I can get later in the first round. It just doesn’t make sense to do that. Now - occasionally I get burned doing that. This year I missed out on Caufield with that strategy because I thought since he’d only scored 28 last year and would hang around a bit longer. Missed him by two picks. So sure, that could’ve happened to us here.

 

[morhilane]

I hate this logic. Imagine if another team felt the same way and grabbed him at 56 or even 32. Gambling an elite talent like Lane so you can stack players like phil mesar. yay.

They lucked out that he was still available at 62.

Habs staff have been very good at knowing where players will be taken the last 3 drafts based on their behind the scene video. It's not gambling, it's insider knowledge.

And if Lane was considered an elite talent by NHL scouts in his draft year, he would have been ranked and taken in the top 10.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I honestly think Lane runs away with it in the 2nd half. He’s too damn good.

He's going to get more usage as well on the PP. It might be a very good race with Celebrini.

What I will say is Hutson needs to clearly outproduce him to get the votes. I think the ones who vote will be influenced with Celebrini as the #1 pick and not in Montreal lol.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Habs staff have been very good at knowing where players will be taken the last 3 drafts based on their behind the scene video. It's not gambling, it's insider knowledge.

And if Lane was considered an elite talent by NHL scouts in his draft year, he would have been ranked and taken in the top 10.

So a fluke that he turned out as good as he did

I heard the same nonsense about steve yzerman smartly picking vlad namestekov over kucherov, or slater kookook over vasilevski, or the three duds he picked before brayden point.

Seeing his struggles trying to build a competitive team in detroit its pretty clear he didn’t know how good those players would ve and it was a complete fluke that they were available when they were, and developed how they did

 

[Frank Drebin]

don’t draft players I think I can get later in the first round. It just doesn’t make sense to do that. Now - occasionally I get burned doing that. This year I missed out on Caufield with that strategy because I thought since he’d only scored 28 last year and would hang around a bit longer. Missed him by two picks. So sure, that could’ve happened to us here.

So if you knew that there was a player that had a 95% chance to be the next pavel datsyuk was expected to go somewhere between 60-90 you’d still pick players like phil mesar and owen beck before him? Ridiculous

Fact is no one at the draft thought he’d be able to translate his game to the pro level, but his skills were so elite it was worth taking a chance with a second on

9 times out of 10 you get a corey locke. 1/10 you get a datsyuk or hutson

 

[Habs Halifax]

No, they didn’t let a superstar fall to 62 because they had super high faith in him. They got lucky, very lucky.

The part that got us Hutson was having two 2nd rounders. Think of it this way... Does Tampa have Vasi today if they didn't have two 1st rounders? They did take Keokkoek 10th and Vasi 19th.

Drafting is a lot of luck but you increase your luck % with quantity of picks. The amount of picks the Habs had had since 2018 is almost historic.

So a fluke that he turned out as good as he did

I heard the same nonsense about steve yzerman smartly picking vlad namestekov over kucherov, or slater kookook over vasilevski, or the three duds he picked before brayden point.

Seeing his struggles trying to build a competitive team in detroit its pretty clear he didn’t know how good those players would ve and it was a complete fluke that they were available when they were, and developed how they did

There is no way of any scout knowing for sure. The key is having a surplus of picks and getting a little luck along the way