Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

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I'm mostly impressed with how quickly he's adapted his game. After his start, I think he struggled a bit given how the other team's forecheckers were able to contain him a bit. They are back to struggling against him now.

They tried to zone him and now he's found out how he can pick apart the zones.. so when they try to man cover him, he shifts away. He's just got a solution for pretty much everything and he avoids putting himself so close to the boards he can be physically pinned.
 
They tried to zone him and now he's found out how he can pick apart the zones.. so when they try to man cover him, he shifts away. He's just got a solution for pretty much everything and he avoids putting himself so close to the boards he can be physically pinned.
But the mainboard reassured me that it's not a display of hockey IQ or skill, it's dumb head fakes that just confuse the other team since that stuff belongs in peewee hockey.
 
They tried to zone him and now he's found out how he can pick apart the zones.. so when they try to man cover him, he shifts away. He's just got a solution for pretty much everything and he avoids putting himself so close to the boards he can be physically pinned.
Yes that's what's so exciting about him, the NHL is a league that can adapt pretty quickly to players. It's why so many young guys have sophmore slumps, once they get good enough that the opposing teams video coaches start picking apart their game they can't replicate their success until they adapt again. Hutson showing the ability to adapt even faster is a big neon flashing sign that says he's going to be a star.
 
But the mainboard reassured me that it's not a display of hockey IQ or skill, it's dumb head fakes that just confuse the other team since that stuff belongs in peewee hockey.
Someone commented yesterday that a lot of veterans start off slow and only start really trying in the 2nd half of the season so it’s unlikely he’ll keep it up

Their argument is literally Hutson is only good because the other players aren’t trying

I’ve genuinely never seen anything like this before lmao
 
But the mainboard reassured me that it's not a display of hockey IQ or skill, it's dumb head fakes that just confuse the other team since that stuff belongs in peewee hockey.

It's crazy how they make fun of him for being... good? Again last game, his quick deception of faking a dump-in allowed him to rush all the way to the net. They (the color guy for Prime) even pointed it out.

I think the mainboard is treating Habs fans (and by extension their players) like the internet is treating vegans. You see a lot more people hating on vegans for being annoying than you see actual annoying vegans. Then the followers, those who can't think for themselves, jump on the bandwagon of hate and it just never ends. The Habs could dissolve and they would still spew their bullshit.

Come to think of it, this is what's happening with absolutely everything these days. Mainly politics...

I think internet may be too omnipotent, and this is coming from a guy who couldn't make a living without it and has used it daily since the mid 90s

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Yes that's what's so exciting about him, the NHL is a league that can adapt pretty quickly to players. It's why so many young guys have sophmore slumps, once they get good enough that the opposing teams video coaches start picking apart their game they can't replicate their success until they adapt again. Hutson showing the ability to adapt even faster is a big neon flashing sign that says he's going to be a star.
Last night was the first occasion that I had to watch Celibrini play when the Sharks played the Vegas Knights. While Celibrini displayed the skills that will make him a major star in the future, Hutson, as of today, is a much more impactful player. While I acknowledge that Hutson is a bit older, he has a higher ability to control or influence a game. If he continues at his current development pace, Hutson should be the hands on favorite to win the Calder Trophy, ahead of Celibrini and, yes, Michkov.

This kid is proving to be a revelation.
 
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No offense, but "what you've seen" doesn't really mean anything. He might not be the fastest straight line player in the league, but he's obviously not slow either, and has more bursts of speed than the vast majority of NHL defensemen.

Your subjective opinion, once invalidated by data, should be subject to revision. That it hasn't is a reflection on you, not on Hutson.
I get it. I'm just telling you that it doesn't jive with what I've seen.

I didn't say he was slow (although I did say I didn't consider him fast.) But that data is saying he's a faster skater than Hughes is and I don't buy it. Fully prepared to be wrong (would love to be) but those numbers don't match with what I've seen.

I just don't see him as being as fast as represented here. I think Hughes would be a much faster skater.
 
I get it. I'm just telling you that it doesn't jive with what I've seen.

I didn't say he was slow (although I did say I didn't consider him fast.) But that data is saying he's a faster skater than Hughes is and I don't buy it. Fully prepared to be wrong (would love to be) but those numbers don't match with what I've seen.

I just don't see him as being as fast as represented here. I think Hughes would be a much faster skater.

Maybe you think Hutson is not that fast because of his awkward way of skating. I don't know
 
Maybe you think Hutson is not that fast because of his awkward way of skating. I don't know
I think he's an awesome skater. Always have.

But in a straight line footrace? I've seen him get beat too many times. There's just no way he's faster than Quinn Hughes. I don't buy that. He's not a Paul Coffey type guy.
 
Is Lane Hutson is a concession player?

The question is good. I posted a great article from La Presse..french.. about that earlier today
 
For sure. But stop raining on my parade ! :razz:
Honestly man, does him being faster than Hughes at top speed even matter? I don't think it matters at all. And I could be absolutely wrong here. Just because it suprises me doesn't mean that I'm correct. It just doesn't seem right.

Let me be very clear. I think this guy's going to be a superstar. I felt he had superstar potential when I saw him in Boston. He plays the game like I haven't really seen. He can rush the puck and has better vision than Andrei Markov. I think he's going to be a better player than PK Subban and that's saying a lot considering how good he was.

Legit superstar potential and we have Demidov coming next year. I still think Caufield can get to that 50 goal target and become what I always hoped he would. The team has some serious talent already with more on the way. I'm super excited at what we'll be doing in the coming years and Hutson's a huge reason why.
 
I get it. I'm just telling you that it doesn't jive with what I've seen.

I didn't say he was slow (although I did say I didn't consider him fast.) But that data is saying he's a faster skater than Hughes is and I don't buy it. Fully prepared to be wrong (would love to be) but those numbers don't match with what I've seen.

I just don't see him as being as fast as represented here. I think Hughes would be a much faster skater.
I don't think Hutson is faster skater than Hughes but Hutson has tremendous burst of speed that Hughes may not matched. Deception + high speed acceleration make Hutson a very dangerous player.
 
If our forwards could capitalize better the chances that Hutson has created for them, Hutson could easily have an extra of 5 points.
 
Honestly man, does him being faster than Hughes at top speed even matter? I don't think it matters at all. And I could be absolutely wrong here. Just because it suprises me doesn't mean that I'm correct. It just doesn't seem right.

Let me be very clear. I think this guy's going to be a superstar. I felt he had superstar potential when I saw him in Boston. He plays the game like I haven't really seen. He can rush the puck and has better vision than Andrei Markov. I think he's going to be a better player than PK Subban and that's saying a lot considering how good he was.

Legit superstar potential and we have Demidov coming next year. I still think Caufield can get to that 50 goal target and become what I always hoped he would. The team has some serious talent already with more on the way. I'm super excited at what we'll be doing in the coming years and Hutson's a huge reason why.
Honestly, I get what you're saying. He doesn't have the straight line speed to catch up with a fast forward that gets past him, I don't disagree with you on that. I believe that the speed bursts that put him so high in those metrics are when he accelerates down into the zone from the blueline and goes from a standing still head fake to top speed in about 2 strides. He might not have elite speed, but he does have elite quickness and acceleration, which he uses to gain an advantage on opponents.
 
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Hutson is carrying the narrative of his deployment being especially easy. But among the 219 defensemen who have played at least 200 minutes of 5-on-5 hockey in the NHL this season, Hutson’s 53.95 offensive zone start percentage ranks him just 60th. Players like Morgan Rielly, Roman Josi, and Cale Makar — all ultra offensively gifted blueliners — are getting much more favorable deployment than the Habs rookie. And when you compare that to Michkov’s 72.73 percent of offensive zone starts, it is extremely easy to see who is truly getting the tougher deployment.
 
I'm mostly impressed with how quickly he's adapted his game. After his start, I think he struggled a bit given how the other team's forecheckers were able to contain him a bit. They are back to struggling against him now.
He transitions the puck faster, under pressure, and in tighter proximities than any other defender I’ve seen on the habs. I noticed mostly against the Avs.
 
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Hutson is carrying the narrative of his deployment being especially easy. But among the 219 defensemen who have played at least 200 minutes of 5-on-5 hockey in the NHL this season, Hutson’s 53.95 offensive zone start percentage ranks him just 60th. Players like Morgan Rielly, Roman Josi, and Cale Makar — all ultra offensively gifted blueliners — are getting much more favorable deployment than the Habs rookie. And when you compare that to Michkov’s 72.73 percent of offensive zone starts, it is extremely easy to see who is truly getting the tougher deployment.
My fav line from Habs legend Carey Price's first game: Baptism by fire.

I still use that line in casual conversation

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You are being conservative. If our forwards can finish Hutson's play, you are looking at at least 10 more points for Hutson.
While it might seem like it, I wonder if this is accurate. If, for example, Gallagher scores on the pass Hutson sent to him, we most likely win that game in regulation, and there's no need for OT heroics, including Hutson's assist. So that miss didn't really cost him a point, did it?
 
While it might seem like it, I wonder if this is accurate. If, for example, Gallagher scores on the pass Hutson sent to him, we most likely win that game in regulation, and there's no need for OT heroics, including Hutson's assist. So that miss didn't really cost him a point, did it?
I didn't quite follow the thread. Are we talking about last game or all the games this season? I meant for the extra points that Hutson can get if we had better forwards this year.
 
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