Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

[Estimated_Prophet]

No because there’s no such thing as a 5’10 center in the NBA unless you’re just trying to troll. Check your facts first though Alex Jones lol. Elite prospects is the most reliable place to check stuff like this. Also he’s still 160Lb but he’s also a child when it comes to maturing as a D man. Your point is valid but people on here seem to be the only ones worried about his size. Surprise surprise

Wow!!!!

Lane was just measured at camp at 5'9.25" and even openly joked about BU listing him at 5'10" when asked even though it is commonly the player/agent who is often the source. I called potential b.s. the day that both Lane and his brother Quinn were the only two BU players to have their heights/weights edited. This was obviously at their request, which if you knew anything about this topic you would know that is how it works which made Lane's joking about the issue a little disingenuous to say the least. You do understand that EP does not measure kids, they just show the most recent listed weight which anyone who has ever paid attention knows that small players commonly add an inch or two. Perhaps you should check your facts before replying to a poster who is diligent in doing so.

Then you intentionally move the goal posts and grossly misinterpret my post by using literal interpretation on an abstract statement and showing stats to back up an obviously tongue in cheek comparison. These are common tactics that are used by charlatans/conspiracy theorists.......and you call me Alex Jones?????

Anybody who knows me knows that I am the polar opposite of Alex Jones lol......only an Alex Jones sycophant would be capable of intentionally misinterpreting a person with the intention of arriving at a false conclusion like you have.

The IL just keeps piling up....

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He rebutted an argument.

As for size, strength… Krug was 22 before becoming an NHLer. Lots of time for Hutson to add muscle.

I think everyone wishes he were taller and strength training is something the team will work on but talent counts for a lot too.

Looking like the steal of the draft right now.

He didn't rebut anything, he offered a ridiculous comparison and Krug was always a thick kid. Lane will never come close to Krug's weight as he is just not genetically put together the same way.

He will likely be closer to Spurgeon's size although we never know, maybe he adds another inch and a little more frame to add muscle to. I simply made a factual statement that he would be the smallest defender in the NHL right now and then in comes a rebuttal with Tory Krug's height lol.....that is nothing short of ridiculous.

Agreed, he absolutely looks like a potentially huge steal.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I think that the hype is probably out of hand ... This fandom just rated Hutson as its number one prospect. He was drafted at #62 for a reason, and for him to be rated as an elite prospect I think that he would need at least one more season of substantial progression.

You can't simply go by draft rank after a full year of development and progress.

What players do in their D+1 season is usually significant and partly validates or invalidates the rank position of the previous year. Hutson's season is very significant in that regard as he now holds the freshman U19 record for points by a dmen in the NCAA. His name is now over guys like Leetch, Makar and Hughes in the NCAA record books. So yeah, at this point, Lane is arguably a blue chip prospect.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

It's great that Hutson has a high IQ, but he'll need to improve on the other things to have a good NHL career. I hope that he does but it's not guaranteed.

If you look at the list of greatest NCAA players you'll find both great NHL players and busts.

Not in the U19 category. You're using misrepresentation with your "greatest NCAA players", so you can bring up the list of non-NHLer who spent 4-5 years in college and racked up stats as overagers. Look at the U19 records and it's mostly great NHLers.

 

[StCaufield]

Wow!!!!

Lane was just measured at camp at 5'9.25" and even openly joked about BU listing him at 5'10" when asked even though it is commonly the player/agent who is often the source. I called potential b.s. the day that both Lane and his brother Quinn were the only two BU players to have their heights/weights edited. This was obviously at their request, which if you knew anything about this topic you would know that is how it works which made Lane's joking about the issue a little disingenuous to say the least. You do understand that EP does not measure kids, they just show the most recent listed weight which anyone who has ever paid attention knows that small players commonly add an inch or two. Perhaps you should check your facts before replying to a poster who is diligent in doing so.

Then you intentionally move the goal posts and grossly misinterpret my post by using literal interpretation on an abstract statement and showing stats to back up an obviously tongue in cheek comparison. These are common tactics that are used by charlatans/conspiracy theorists.......and you call me Alex Jones?????

Anybody who knows me knows that I am the polar opposite of Alex Jones lol......only an Alex Jones sycophant would be capable of intentionally misinterpreting a person with the intention of arriving at a false conclusion like you have.

The IL just keeps piling up....

Relax. 5’9 is still totally fine and I was kidding about the Alex jones thing. I was going by what elite prospects says and what was said at the draft. 2 usual reliable sources. He won’t be the smallest D man in the league and even if he is there’s plenty of examples of small d mean who are very successful. I’m just tired of the sensationalism about a player we’ve never even seen in a habs jersey. It’s better to reserve judgment as thoughts aren’t real.

 

[DAChampion]

Wow!!!!

Lane was just measured at camp at 5'9.25" and even openly joked about BU listing him at 5'10" when asked even though it is commonly the player/agent who is often the source. I called potential b.s. the day that both Lane and his brother Quinn were the only two BU players to have their heights/weights edited. This was obviously at their request, which if you knew anything about this topic you would know that is how it works which made Lane's joking about the issue a little disingenuous to say the least. You do understand that EP does not measure kids, they just show the most recent listed weight which anyone who has ever paid attention knows that small players commonly add an inch or two. Perhaps you should check your facts before replying to a poster who is diligent in doing so.

Then you intentionally move the goal posts and grossly misinterpret my post by using literal interpretation on an abstract statement and showing stats to back up an obviously tongue in cheek comparison. These are common tactics that are used by charlatans/conspiracy theorists.......and you call me Alex Jones?????

Anybody who knows me knows that I am the polar opposite of Alex Jones lol......only an Alex Jones sycophant would be capable of intentionally misinterpreting a person with the intention of arriving at a false conclusion like you have.

The IL just keeps piling up....

If there's a good argument to list him as 5'10, it might be that the height of every player in the NHL is rounded up so we might as well round up Hutson's in order to be consistent.

You can't simply go by draft rank after a full year of development and progress.

What players do in their D+1 season is usually significant and partly validates or invalidates the rank position of the previous year. Hutson's season is very significant in that regard as he now holds the freshman U19 record for points by a dmen in the NCAA. His name is now over guys like Leetch, Makar and Hughes in the NCAA record books. So yeah, at this point, Lane is arguably a blue chip prospect.

I'd rather wait a full two seasons. I like caution.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Lane Hutson is tiny, that's for sure, but he was noticably stronger at the last development camp. I am sure it is hard for him to put on weight, so results may not be obvious but it still seems to me that he invests time in the gym.

I found that very encouraging as that will be a determinant factor in making it to the show. Sure, he will need to be very smart to make it, but he also can't be dominated physically every single time. He needs to have enough strength to hold his own even though he will never be the big crease clearer.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

If there's a good argument to list him as 5'10, it might be that the height of every player in the NHL is rounded up so we might as well round up Hutson's in order to be consistent.

The players can list their height as whatever they want and some take advantage more than others. Each player is in business for themselves and even though the teams list these stats they are done so with the approval of the players. The general rule of thumb is that you can round up at the half inch mark, Lane is only 5'9 1/4" so this would be a very liberal use of this "rule" if he chooses to round up without further growth.

He is never going to have height as an asset anyways and the obsession with some posters continually trying to squint him closer to 6'0" is annoying and a waste of this boards time. We even had one poster claiming that he felt that Lane might be 5'11" before recent measurements sent that take hurdling back to reality.

I am far more interested in how much he is able to bulk up and him fixing his back skating. I am also curious to see how much added weight will affect his game as him being so light on his skates is a large contributor to his unique shiftiness as he doesn't have to fight inertia/momentum much at all when suddenly changing direction and just the way that his skates/edges interact with the ice at such a light weight.

He is just so unique and has been fun to watch and I feel like his development will be equally unique and equally as fun. (Admittedly, watching his brother Cole play does take away from the "unique" claim but Lane is cutting the path)

 

[Captain97]

The players can list their height as whatever they want and some take advantage more than others. Each player is in business for themselves and even though the teams list these stats they are done so with the approval of the players. The general rule of thumb is that you can round up at the half inch mark, Lane is only 5'9 1/4" so this would be a very liberal use of this "rule" if he chooses to round up without further growth.

He is never going to have height as an asset anyways and the obsession with some posters continually trying to squint him closer to 6'0" is annoying and a waste of this boards time. We even had one poster claiming that he felt that Lane might be 5'11" before recent measurements sent that take hurdling back to reality.

I am far more interested in how much he is able to bulk up and him fixing his back skating. I am also curious to see how much added weight will affect his game as him being so light on his skates is a large contributor to his unique shiftiness as he doesn't have to fight inertia/momentum much at all when suddenly changing direction and just the way that his skates/edges interact with the ice at such a light weight.

He is just so unique and has been fun to watch and I feel like his development will be equally unique and equally as fun. (Admittedly, watching his brother Cole play does take away from the "unique" claim but Lane is carving the path)

Where did you get the 5'9.25 number from BC had him listed at 5'10.

 

[jrom]

 

[Scriptor]

Lane Hutson is tiny, that's for sure, but he was noticably stronger at the last development camp. I am sure it is hard for him to put on weight, so results may not be obvious but it still seems to me that he invests time in the gym.

I found that very encouraging as that will be a determinant factor in making it to the show. Sure, he will need to be very smart to make it, but he also can't be dominated physically every single time. He needs to have enough strength to hold his own even though he will never be the big crease clearer.

Hutson will wear down opponents because he has energy to burn and has a non-stop motor, with the ability to buzz around, constantly shifting axes.

You're bearing down on the guy, accelerating one way, then the other.

You're a bigger guy, but your hips aren't exactly on a swivel the same way as Hutson.

In the end, you're losing the little guy, because you can't keep up with the firefly.

You get frustrated and you have bigger reach, so you hook the gnat, or you double check him, but you draw a penalty. The ref always goes with the guy who keeps moving his legs for benefit of the doubt -- and Hutson is always doing that.

I'm more worried about dirty checks, but Hutson is mobile and doesn't stay in one spot long enough to get zoned as a target.

Perhaps what might be more hurtful is deliberate shots to the head he might receive?

Forwards will need to support the D when Hutson is on the ice and pegged into his own zone trying to win a puck battle.

He'll need a line mate not too far away because, while he might not dominate an opponent physically, he has an active stick and can pluck away pucks in the corners.

If a line mate is nearby to give the puck to and start the transition game out of the zone, it can still lead to effective defending.

Hutson's pairing partner will need to handle the crease-clearing job; Reinbacher on a top-4 pairing or Xhekaj/Engstrom on a 3rd pairing.

Hutson has dealt with the size disadvantage his whole life and, clearly, has developed the skill set that he currently has because of this. Had things been easier, physically, for Hutson, he would not have conceived the current approach that he has to mystifying opponents.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Where did you get the 5'9.25 number from BC had him listed at 5'10.

He was just measured at Habs camp at 5'9 1/4"and he fully admitted that he is not 5'10" and that this new measurement is correct in the interview that followed. It just wasn't mentioned much on this board and I think we all know why lol. He claimed that he did not know where the 5'10" listing came from but that is unlikely the truth as he and Quinn both changed their official heights on the same day. I suspect it is embarrassing to get caught doing that but it is very common so I definitely don't hold it against him.

A lot of over overzealous posters didn't want to eat crow and acknowledge it but instead waited it out and returned to the narrative that they were initially preaching in hopes that nobody noticed....it is such sad behaviour.

He grew exactly 1 inch from his official combine height of 5'8 1/4" from last year so perhaps he is not done but it is almost likely irrelevant as he is almost certainly going to be at a significant size/strength disadvantage. We should be focusing more on his weight/strength and backskating issues than splitting hairs on his height because he has no control over that and it likely won't be enough to matter anyways.

 

[FrankMTL]

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

For anyone looking for the Hutson press conference where the height issue is addressed:

Starts around the 58:00 minute mark

 

[Captain97]

He was just measured at Habs camp at 5'9 1/4"and he fully admitted that he is not 5'10" and that this new measurement is correct in the interview that followed. It just wasn't mentioned much on this board and I think we all know why lol. He claimed that he did not know where the 5'10" listing came from but that is unlikely the truth as he and Quinn both changed their official heights on the same day. I suspect it is embarrassing to get caught doing that but it is very common so I definitely don't hold it against him.

A lot of over overzealous posters didn't want to eat crow and acknowledge it but instead waited it out and returned to the narrative that they were initially preaching in hopes that nobody noticed....it is such sad behaviour.

He grew exactly 1 inch from his official combine height of 5'8 1/4" from last year so perhaps he is not done but it is almost likely irrelevant as he is almost certainly going to be at a significant size/strength disadvantage. We should be focusing more on his weight/strength and backskating issues than splitting hairs on his height because he has no control over that and it likely won't be enough to matter anyways.

Thankyou, I just hadn't seen it.

And yeah if he ends up 5'9.5 vs 5'10 it's makes very little difference how much muscle he can maintain without hurting his game is more important

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

If there's a good argument to list him as 5'10, it might be that the height of every player in the NHL is rounded up so we might as well round up Hutson's in order to be consistent.


I'd rather wait a full two seasons. I like caution.

Oh really? Caution kinda got thrown to the wind in Romanov's first season. I remember you comparing him to Subban's rookie season.

 

[DAChampion]

Oh really? Caution kinda got thrown to the wind in Romanov's first season. I remember you comparing him to Subban's rookie season.

Romanov's rookie season was in his D+3.

I'm also allowed to change my belief system between 2020 and 2023.

 

[26Mats]

Even if Hutson can't ever defend, he still could be a dynamic forward.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Even if Hutson can't ever defend, he still could be a dynamic forward.

I think he would be bad at fwd. Can you imagine trying to dipsy Doodle everyone from the fwd position where everything is tighter and faster? Or maybe he stops doing that, but then he is nothing special. His shot isn't that good either, so all that is left is a little Waterbug that isn't especially good at board battles and not especially good shooter.

What he is good at works because of the position he does it from.

 

[26Mats]

I think he would be bad at fwd. Can you imagine trying to dipsy Doodle everyone from the fwd position where everything is tighter and faster? Or maybe he stops doing that, but then he is nothing special. His shot isn't that good either, so all that is left is a little Waterbug that isn't especially good at board battles and not especially good shooter.

What he is good at works because of the position he does it from.

I've seen him make many plays from the half wall and down deep in the offensive zone.

 

[Ezpz]

I don't think Hutson even needs to bulk up that much. His offense is clearly the highlight of his game and we saw what happened when PK pushed the limits on strength training and muscle growth too fast. Lidstrom played at 192 in the heaviest era of hockey. Hutson only really needs to get up to about 175, crushing players will never be his game.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I don't think Hutson even needs to bulk up that much. His offense is clearly the highlight of his game and we saw what happened when PK pushed the limits on strength training and muscle growth too fast. Lidstrom played at 192 in the heaviest era of hockey. Hutson only really needs to get up to about 175, crushing players will never be his game.

I agree - hopefully this coming year in college will allow time to fill out and gain muscle / strength and stamina. He doesn't need to become a Bouillon cube and that would greatly impact his strengths (elusiveness and edge work).

Sounds like he still has some growth remaining. Would like to see him focus on rounding out his game this coming season as well. The offense is undeniable. Defensive play, positioning, stickwork and gap control will be priority. Taking a hit on offense to improve defense would be a good plan.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I don't think Hutson even needs to bulk up that much. His offense is clearly the highlight of his game and we saw what happened when PK pushed the limits on strength training and muscle growth too fast. Lidstrom played at 192 in the heaviest era of hockey. Hutson only really needs to get up to about 175, crushing players will never be his game.

He still has more than 15 lbs to go to even get to 175 which is not much for most people over a two year span but he is so naturally skinny that it may be a challenge for him. He has twigs for legs which is worrisome as some people just can not build their legs. He will always be the weakest player on the ice so I am more concerned with him overhauling and fixing his back skating in order to keep his defensive stick as effective as it possibly can be.

He is potentially Cale Makar in Jared Sturgeon's body, hopefully he can really improve his skating to realize something resembling this hybrid projection.

 

[Doc McKenna]

For anyone looking for the Hutson press conference where the height issue is addressed:

Starts around the 58:00 minute mark

He want to make the plays even if he makes mistakes Can you imagine him under therrien.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He want to make the plays even if he makes mistakes Can you imagine him under therrien.

The tolerance for mistakes will decrease as the team becomes more competitive but, yes....Therrien was a monster and should never coach developing teams.