Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

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[danisonfire]

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[dackelljuneaubulis02]

He is definitely not doing it on both sides.....this last game perfectly illustrates it for those who know what to look for. He is a nightmare for his own team at times defensively, fortunately there are not very many good players in Hockey East to take advantage like the kids at the WJC did and had him stapled to the bench for long stretches.

He quite literally can not backskate at all, he will go into a glide but the second he is about to get beat wide which is almost every time he either fully turns or awkwardly side shuffles. He even flat out fell the one time that he tried to pivot at speed. You never see him in a remotely acceptable back skating posture where his thighs should be parallel to the ice.

He likely just needs to add some lower body strength especially in his thighs and he needs to grow an ass so that he will be able to implement the instruction that he is currently unable to execute. He is entirely unable to perform back crossovers which leaves him in a perilous situation when defending the rush. He is smart enough to take good routes which helps to somewhat mitigate the terrible back skating but he will need to fix this (and I think he will) if he has any hope of playing in the NHL.

This game like the vast majority of his games highlights his incredible puck skill, creativity, vision and intelligence as well as his glaring skating deficiencies. Most of the time that he is twisting and turning, a bigger/stronger/faster dman easily shields the puck/fends off the forechecker and gains the outside with an extra step. While many are wowed by this glaring example of inefficiency it is a problem that needs to be improved upon. Much like Subban, most of Hutson's crazy maneuvering up the ice is due to a lack of foot speed although P.K. developed the one handed pylon turn to help him navigate past forecheckers with his strength and balance.

Now I wait for the hoarde to entirely ignore the positive comments and fixate on the negative because it doesn't fit the perfect fairy tale. So please remember that I like the kid and would absolutely bet on him being a significant offensive contributor in the NHL. He just has a lot of work ahead of him still.

It is crazy how awkward his skating is for the most part to me. It makes what he's doing all the more impressive though in my eyes.

I can't say for sure but I do feel like he's made improvements to that awkwardness over the season. Not monumental but enough that I noticed.

I go back and forth in my mind about how worried I am about his weaknesses. I do feel in the end though that these dynamos are a fairly good bet to put the work in to get their game where it needs to be. I see plenty of D awkwardness but I've also seen lot of good to in his own zone. I don't think it's quite as bad as you say. At least not in the last few vids I've seen. But you're certainly not way off. He needs work.

I hope he stays at BU until at least his junior year's over unless he makes an absurd leap in shoring up his deficiencies.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

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[Matthew McConaughay]

Okay sure but why was Craig 17 years old? And what about the other guy?

1.	Craig Redmond (D)	1982-1983	17	Univ. of Denver	34	16	38	54	1.59	44	-
2.	Curt Giles (D)	1976-1977	18	Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth	37	12	37	49	1.32	64	-
3.	Brian Leetch (D)	1986-1987	18	Boston College	37	9	38	47	1.27	10	-
4.	Lane Hutson (D)	2022-2023	18	Boston Univ.	35	12	33	45	1.29	24	23

looking at Redmond's stats, i think he was injured a lot during his career.

 

[durojean]

And where exactly do you disagree? You can't possibly take issue that he is completely unable to backskate. You arbitrarily proclaim my observations to be overblown yet any real scout would back me up entirely.

I have had plenty of posters tell me that he is fast and his backskating issues are overblown....they are egregiously wrong on both accounts but like many in today's society they parrot what they want to be true rather than what is actually true. They then form ill-informed mobs to attack anyone who dares taint the picture that they have painted. Facts be damned when the masses have found a demi-god.

I feel like it is overblown because those are technical points.

He’s not a great backward skater, fine… it could lead to frustrating things on the ice.

What you forgot to mention is that he adapted to this weakness in other ways. He picking his spots sooner on the ice to steal those pucks for example and he adapts his skating to make this weakness less bad. He is also most often then not, gives an edge to his opponent on the side of the ice but get the edge on them by predicting were they are going to go or simply goes pursue them skating forward instead of backward.

He was not exposed in the wjc. Most of the games he never could get his legs going because of poor ice time.

He was dominating in the last game against Canada creating from every angle. Sadly he did that only when his team was down and after the second period because that’s when they started to play him.

Focusing on the negative thing on someone is exactly how you can never see the potential in the 1st place. Because you put too much emphasis on it that you start to never notice what they do good.

 

[Garbageyuk]

I feel like it is overblown because those are technical points.

He’s not a great backward skater, fine… it could lead to frustrating things on the ice.

What you forgot to mention is that he adapted to this weakness in other ways. He picking his spots sooner on the ice to steal those pucks for example and he adapts his skating to make this weakness less bad. He is also most often then not, gives an edge to his opponent on the side of the ice but get the edge on them by predicting were they are going to go or simply goes pursue them skating forward instead of backward.

He was not exposed in the wjc. Most of the games he never could get his legs going because of poor ice time.

He was dominating in the last game against Canada creating from every angle. Sadly he did that only when his team was down and after the second period because that’s when they started to play him.

Focusing on the negative thing on someone is exactly how you can never see the potential in the 1st place. Because you put too much emphasis on it that you start to never notice what they do good.

Not being able to backskate for a defenseman who wants to make the NHL is overblown? Come on dude. That is a massive hole, doubly so for a guy his size. It’s a huge problem. You can’t sweep it away by saying it’s “one negative thing” when it’s a fundamental part of playing the position he plays. If he doesn’t fix it, he won’t make the NHL.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I feel like it is overblown because those are technical points.

He’s not a great backward skater, fine… it could lead to frustrating things on the ice.

What you forgot to mention is that he adapted to this weakness in other ways. He picking his spots sooner on the ice to steal those pucks for example and he adapts his skating to make this weakness less bad. He is also most often then not, gives an edge to his opponent on the side of the ice but get the edge on them by predicting were they are going to go or simply goes pursue them skating forward instead of backward.

He was not exposed in the wjc. Most of the games he never could get his legs going because of poor ice time.

He was dominating in the last game against Canada creating from every angle. Sadly he did that only when his team was down and after the second period because that’s when they started to play him.

Focusing on the negative thing on someone is exactly how you can never see the potential in the 1st place. Because you put too much emphasis on it that you start to never notice what they do good.

You are doing exactly as I predicted lol.

I called it and you did it anyways. I clearly stated that he is very talented and I think he will put in the work and be a significant offensive contributor in the NHL. You choose to intentionally disregard my positive statements to create a strawman that you can burn......

He was absolutely terrible at the WJC's and there were actual Hutson supporters who even turned and admitted how bad he was in his own end.

To claim that he did not get exposed yet turn around and make an excuse that he couldn't get his legs going is precious. He wasn't playing because he was grossly overmatched in the d-zone...this is a fact and is not up for discussion. But go ahead and make up whatever you want if it makes you feel better.

 

[Kojo]

You are doing exactly as I predicted lol.

I called it and you did it anyways. I clearly stated that he is very talented and I think he will put in the work and be a significant offensive contributor in the NHL. You choose to intentionally disregard my positive statements to create a strawman that you can burn......

He was absolutely terrible at the WJC's and there were actual Hutson supporters who even turned and admitted how bad he was in his own end.

To claim that he did not get exposed yet turn around and make an excuse that he couldn't get his legs going is precious. He wasn't playing because he was grossly overmatched in the d-zone...this is a fact and is not up for discussion. But go ahead and make up whatever you want if it makes you feel better.

Oh wow look at Nostradamus over here. You predicted that someone would contradict you, obviously.

 

[durojean]

You are doing exactly as I predicted lol.

I called it and you did it anyways. I clearly stated that he is very talented and I think he will put in the work and be a significant offensive contributor in the NHL. You choose to intentionally disregard my positive statements to create a strawman that you can burn......

He was absolutely terrible at the WJC's and there were actual Hutson supporters who even turned and admitted how bad he was in his own end.

To claim that he did not get exposed yet turn around and make an excuse that he couldn't get his legs going is precious. He wasn't playing because he was grossly overmatched in the d-zone...this is a fact and is not up for discussion. But go ahead and make up whatever you want if it makes you feel better.

I feel like that’s a coaching problem.

Look at Caufield at the NHL level for example. He was getting bad ice time under Ducharme and all we saw were his weaknesses and he never really could show us his strong points. He was put in a role were he was exposed even if the point for his lesser ice time was to protect him. It was a bad call from the coach.

St-Louis arrives, gave him icetime. He did not get better that much on his weaknesses but boy did we see his strong points he started scoring goals.

I feel like the WJC for Hutson was a lot like that. He started on the third pairing with not that much icetime, so he got exposed fairly fast because of that. His weaknesses were more apparent. He couldn’t get his IQ to adapt in time in the games to really show what he had.

One of the only game he could was against Canada in the third when he was used every other shift. He controled the puck. Us began to attack way more but there was just not enough time for him. In that game, in the third, he clearly was US best d-man even ahead of Luke Hughes. It sadly was the only game he was used in a role that really fitted him.

 

[Kiss Under the Guy]

what is the name of that song....been looking for it

Bad Boy 4 Life

 

[Habnot]

He is definitely not doing it on both sides.....this last game perfectly illustrates it for those who know what to look for. He is a nightmare for his own team at times defensively, fortunately there are not very many good players in Hockey East to take advantage like the kids at the WJC did and had him stapled to the bench for long stretches.

He quite literally can not backskate at all, he will go into a glide but the second he is about to get beat wide which is almost every time he either fully turns or awkwardly side shuffles. He even flat out fell the one time that he tried to pivot at speed. You never see him in a remotely acceptable back skating posture where his thighs should be parallel to the ice.

He likely just needs to add some lower body strength especially in his thighs and he needs to grow an ass so that he will be able to implement the instruction that he is currently unable to execute. He is entirely unable to perform back crossovers which leaves him in a perilous situation when defending the rush. He is smart enough to take good routes which helps to somewhat mitigate the terrible back skating but he will need to fix this (and I think he will) if he has any hope of playing in the NHL.

This game like the vast majority of his games highlights his incredible puck skill, creativity, vision and intelligence as well as his glaring skating deficiencies. Most of the time that he is twisting and turning, a bigger/stronger/faster dman easily shields the puck/fends off the forechecker and gains the outside with an extra step. While many are wowed by this glaring example of inefficiency it is a problem that needs to be improved upon. Much like Subban, most of Hutson's crazy maneuvering up the ice is due to a lack of foot speed although P.K. developed the one handed pylon turn to help him navigate past forecheckers with his strength and balance.

Now I wait for the hoarde to entirely ignore the positive comments and fixate on the negative because it doesn't fit the perfect fairy tale. So please remember that I like the kid and would absolutely bet on him being a significant offensive contributor in the NHL. He just has a lot of work ahead of him still.

No sh$t Captain Obvious

Have you been following Quinn Hughes's career? He's in his 4th year in the NHL and still has trouble in the defensive end. He's still working on that part of the game and getting better every year.

If he would of been as proficient defensively he would of not lasted until the end of the second round. That being said, what he is doing this year as an 18+1 is unheard of. I have watched nearly a dozen of his games and everyone he's arguably been the best player on his team.

But thanks for pointing out that he is still small and struggles defensively...

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

This take about Hutson being terrible defensively in the wjc is nonsense. He was fine. Nothing great, but nothing bad.
Luke Hughes, on the other hand, seemed to make terrible plays every game that lead to goals against.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I feel like that’s a coaching problem.

Look at Caufield at the NHL level for example. He was getting bad ice time under Ducharme and all we saw were his weaknesses and he never really could show us his strong points. He was put in a role were he was exposed even if the point for his lesser ice time was to protect him. It was a bad call from the coach.

St-Louis arrives, gave him icetime. He did not get better that much on his weaknesses but boy did we see his strong points he started scoring goals.

I feel like the WJC for Hutson was a lot like that. He started on the third pairing with not that much icetime, so he got exposed fairly fast because of that. His weaknesses were more apparent. He couldn’t get his IQ to adapt in time in the games to really show what he had.

One of the only game he could was against Canada in the third when he was used every other shift. He controled the puck. Us began to attack way more but there was just not enough time for him. In that game, in the third, he clearly was US best d-man even ahead of Luke Hughes. It sadly was the only game he was used in a role that really fitted him.

You are just wrong....he was absolutely dominated down low, on the boards and in front of the net.

Nobody is denying his offensive prowess and he was used more when the U.S. needed a goal but was often stapled to the bench most of the time following poor d-zone sequences....the kid literally can not skate backwards. It is impossible to be an adequate defender when you can't skate backwards and the U.S.A. coaching staff were clearly afraid to use him when he was often the smallest, weakest and slowest player on the ice.

In the game day threads people were actually admitting how he was being dominated and these are people that did not want to believe it originally.

Hutson was a specialized weapon that was reserved for certain situations at the WJC. Hopefully he builds up his lower half and not only improves his back skating but learns the nuances of defending while in a back skate.

 

[badfish]

Lane Hutson scores in OT and BU wins Hockey East

Unfortunately all of his teammates jumping on him compressed him and he's back down to being 5'8

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

No sh$t Captain Obvious

Have you been following Quinn Hughes's career? He's in his 4th year in the NHL and still has trouble in the defensive end. He's still working on that part of the game and getting better every year.

If he would of been as proficient defensively he would of not lasted until the end of the second round. That being said, what he is doing this year as an 18+1 is unheard of. I have watched nearly a dozen of his games and everyone he's arguably been the best player on his team.

But thanks for pointing out that he is still small and struggles defensively...

Did I even mention size as the main concern??? No I did not.

I was talking about his skating and Hughes is a far superior skater in every aspect.

The hoarde that I mentioned has clearly arrived armed with strawmen, confirmation bias and egregious lack of reading comprehension.

Instead of intentionally and incorrectly paraphrasing my statement why don't you try quoting me and providing insight as to where you believe that I have erred. I know you love Lane and I am very fond of him as well......perhaps try and recognize that without lashing out because you don't/can't deal with the facts. All i am saying is that he can not back skate...at all and that is a problem that if it is not rectified he doesn't make the NHL. I have clearly stated that I believe he will fix it.....to what degree remains to be seen but I think he is a future offensively gifted NHL dman.

It is just gross how many times I have to repeat the same thing only to have the usual suspects take offense to this.

 

[Wateredgarden]

Unfortunately all of his teammates jumping on him compressed him and he's back down to being 5'8

His spine is very precious, we must make sure no weight is applied to it.

 

[Kojo]

You are just wrong....he was absolutely dominated down low, on the boards and in front of the net.

Nobody is denying his offensive prowess and he was used more when the U.S. needed a goal but was often stapled to the bench most of the time following poor d-zone sequences....the kid literally can not skate backwards. It is impossible to be an adequate defender when you can't skate backwards and the U.S.A. coaching staff were clearly afraid to use him when he was often the smallest, weakest and slowest player on the ice.

In the game day threads people were actually admitting how he was being dominated and these are people that did not want to believe it originally.

Hutson was a specialized weapon that was reserved for certain situations at the WJC. Hopefully he builds up his lower half and not only improves his back skating but learns the nuances of defending while in a back skate.

Why is defense important when Lane Hutson is an offensive super weapon and he can just score goals and win games that way? He's not as bad defensively as you're portraying him.

 

[JT3]

I was pretty stoked on that caufield kid when he was a prospect.

Okay somehow I managed to forget GoalGoal

But even then, they're both small bois and while Caufield was and is fantastic, Hutson is doing historic stuff. If he can translate his game and improve his skating, the sky is the limit.

 

[Galchenyuk15]

Do you remember how Bobrov praise Slafkovsky at the draft table when he talk about how he want to make the difference in the big moment and elevate is game to be the hero, he talk about him like a Ovechkin or a Rocket 2.0 in some ways, but we didn't see that yet and I have some doubt but it's another story.

He draft one of that kind of guy that year but with the 62th pick not the 1st ... We didn't talk enough of how clutch and valuable this guy was for his team this year. I have related some of the highlight of his season to show that!

October 29 - Win 2-1 / 2 Goals : 17:51 - Period 3 (Tieing Goal) - 2:29 OT (GWG)
November 19 - 1 Goal 1 Assist / Goal : 2:38 OT (GWG) / Assist : 8:45 Period 3 (Tieing Goal)
November 23 - 2 Goals : 9:34 Period 1 - 0:35 Period 3 (GWG)
January 14 - GWG at 19:57 - Period 3
January 28 - 2 assists in a 3-1 win
February 3 - Assist on the first goal of the game / 3 assists in a 5-3 win
March 4 - 2 assists in a 2-0 win
March 17 - 1 assist on the Tieing goal at 17:28 of Period 3

HM :
October 22 - First goal of the game

In the last game, Boston can't generate nothing offensively in a do or die game. They got beat 33-12 on the shot department before Lane try something to generate some offense and change the game.

I have talked about it this week, using him for his strength and how he can do some things others can't from the offensive point a la Guy Lapointe. You can't learn to play with the puck and to be the guy who want or be able to make the difference, Hutson check all the points on that case!

He will never be on the ice when you lead in the final moment of the game, other one will do that but nobody can do what he is doing with the puck on his stick!

He only play 35 games this year but he changes the game at least 8 times by himself, close to 1 time each month or 1 time each 4 games, with the way he manage the puck, the clock or generating chaos in offensive zone at the most important moment!

He would not be successful at each try, I only show the good parts but at least he has the capacity to doing it. I prefer to loose 4-2 with trying to do a offensive push to tie the game at 3 than to lose 3-2 without trying nothing and to hope a "good bounce".

PS : My english is like the defensive side of the game of Hutson, very weak and need to be polish but my hockey mind, offensive side of the game is there. Give me some time maybe at some point you will understand me! lol

 

[Kojo]

Do you remember how Bobrov praise Slafkovsky at the draft table when he talk about how he want to make the difference in the big moment and elevate is game to be the hero, he talk about him like a Ovechkin or a Rocket 2.0 in some ways, but we didn't see that yet and I have some doubt but it's another story.

He draft one of that kind of guy that year but with the 62th pick not the 1st ... We didn't talk enough of how clutch and valuable this guy was for his team this year. I have related some of the highlight of his season to show that!

October 29 - Win 2-1 / 2 Goals : 17:51 - Period 3 (Tieing Goal) - 2:29 OT (GWG)
November 19 - 1 Goal 1 Assist / Goal : 2:38 OT (GWG) / Assist : 8:45 Period 3 (Tieing Goal)
November 23 - 2 Goals : 9:34 Period 1 - 0:35 Period 3 (GWG)
January 14 - GWG at 19:57 - Period 3
January 28 - 2 assists in a 3-1 win
February 3 - Assist on the first goal of the game / 3 assists in a 5-3 win
March 4 - 2 assists in a 2-0 win
March 17 - 1 assist on the Tieing goal at 17:28 of Period 3

HM :
October 22 - First goal of the game

In the last game, Boston can't generate nothing offensively in a do or die game. They got beat 33-12 on the shot department before Lane try something to generate some offense and change the game.

I have talked about it this week, using him for his strength and how he can do some things others can't from the offensive point a la Guy Lapointe. You can't learn to play with the puck and to be the guy who want or be able to make the difference, Hutson check all the points on that case!

He will never be on the ice when you lead in the final moment of the game, other one will do that but nobody can do what he is doing with the puck on his stick!

He only play 35 games this year but he changes the game at least 8 times by himself, close to 1 time each month or 1 time each 4 games, with the way he manage the puck, the clock or generating chaos in offensive zone at the most important moment!

He would not be successful at each try, I only show the good parts but at least he has the capacity to doing it. I prefer to loose 4-2 with trying to do a offensive push to tie the game at 3 than to lose 3-2 without trying nothing and to hope a "good bounce".

PS : My english is like the defensive side of the game of Hutson, very weak and need to be polish but my hockey mind, offensive side of the game is there. Give me some time maybe at some point you will understand me! lol

Just having a player like him on your team is probably a morale boost too because you know he's going to do something in order to win. Can't wait to see him play with Caufield.

 

[Boyon90]

Just having a player like him on your team is probably a morale boost too because you know he's going to do something in order to win. Can't wait to see him play with Caufield.

does he have special relationship with caufield or u just want to see them together, he seems to do good on his own, caufield already has suzuki feeding him

 

[Kojo]

does he have special relationship with caufield or u just want to see them together, he seems to do good on his own, caufield already has suzuki feeding him

I just think he's going to be the perfect fit with Suzuki and Caufield. There's going to be a lot of action when they're on the ice together.

 

[Galchenyuk15]

Just having a player like him on your team is probably a morale boost too because you know he's going to do something in order to win. Can't wait to see him play with Caufield.

To have someone who can change the momentum see the game himself didn't have a price for a morale boost; you always believe you can achieve something with that kind of guy on your team. The saddest part, Caufield and/or Hutson are that kind of guy who misses in a prime Price ERA to win something; an offensive threat, The happy part, we can build a team around these guys something we don't have in the Price years.

The duo Caufield-Hutson in PP would be something to see, a Markov-Kovalev 2.0 with more fire power! I can't wait to see them playing together. Can you imagine if this two guys got drafted by Edmonton with a PP of McDavid-Draisatl-Caufield and Hutson something similar to Gretzky-Messier-Kurri and Coffey in some way! With Broberg and Kulak is not the same thing ....

 

[BaseballCoach]

Yeah but he's small and he doesn't skate backward well enough.

Lane Bustson.

Those things are true, and they WILL affect his NHL performance if not improved a lot.

I believe his ceiling is Sam Girard unless there is a big change in his skating and defensive agility.