Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

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Mailman started the season with his OHL brain and thought he can play rover without consequences. He needed a complete overhaul on playing defense first while putting his offence on hold.

Too many people thought he can't think the game on the NHL level but what I saw was a youngster that missed development and needed time and coaching to learn and process the game on the NHL.

I see him as two years out to play top 6 overall and definatly top 2 in offence. Probably top 4 overall in 3 yrs. I can see him on our 1st power play.

Hutson has a size problem and it won't go away. I see him protected top 6 that has to have a top BIG defensive partner. A comparable would be Mete. He could skate and has vision but he can't escape his size, going nowhere fast in the NHL. The massive difference is that Hutson has the incredible offence that will keep him in the NHL but will never make him top 2.

Players like Struble, Harris, Barron, etc will not be around in 3 years. What's good enough for a bottom feeder is not going to cut it as a top 10 team.
Hutson is basically going to be a fourth forward on the ice so gotta pair him with good defensive centres (Suzuki, Dach, Beck, etc) and a really smart defensive partner (Reinbacher, etc). Like how Karlsson in Ottawa couldnt play defence, he needed a player like Marc Methot who was barely a top 4 D just to strive. His limitations have to be covered with those around him, specifically his partner. In that regards just from a team building perspective, Reinbacher was a very smart pick last year if to the management, michkov was 100% off the table
 
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I'd look into trading Hutson to the team that wins the lottery. Not that I don't think much of Hutson, rather that I think at this point the Habs need to get good value out of the glut of D prospect they have and Hutson could fetch an enticing return, even more so with a possible Celebrini reunion
 
I'd look into trading Hutson to the team that wins the lottery. Not that I don't think much of Hutson, rather that I think at this point the Habs need to get good value out of the glut of D prospect they have and Hutson could fetch an enticing return, even more so with a possible Celebrini reunion
If it's the Sharks, it's not like they are loaded with prospects. About the only one I can think of is Will Smith.

The Ducks are a different story. They already have 3 young tradeable centers, what a joke if the get Celebrini.
 
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Hutson is basically going to be a fourth forward on the ice so gotta pair him with good defensive centres (Suzuki, Dach, Beck, etc) and a really smart defensive partner (Reinbacher, etc). Like how Karlsson in Ottawa couldnt play defence, he needed a player like Marc Methot who was barely a top 4 D just to strive. His limitations have to be covered with those around him, specifically his partner. In that regards just from a team building perspective, Reinbacher was a very smart pick last year if to the management, michkov was 100% off the table

Nothing could go wrong with trading world record beater Lane Hutson. I mean surely we can get good value, but whats wrong with acquiring a top 6 player when you may give a potential ppg defenseman in return?
 
It is not totally unknown. His brother Quinn is 22 and is listed at 5'11 and 170 lbs. Yes I know, there can be significant variations between brothers. Nonetheless, Quinn Hutson is one data point and it's not a favorable one knowing that at 20 Lane is 5'09-5'10. He won't beat his brother in height, and is likely to end up lighter thant him, so under 170 lbs.

You do realize that your experience is entirely irrelevant when trying to transpose it onto another human being with an entirely different genetic back ground.....right?

None of us know how he will fill out so for you to ridicule those who are concerned about the fact that this 20 year he has gained almost zero mass in the last calendar year based on the fact that you gained significant mass between the ages of 17-20 you are not forming a rational series of ideas and the conclusion is predictably ridiculous.

All that we know for certain is that he absolutely needs to get stronger and gain mass. His ability to do so is an unknown so can we just stop making proclamations that are not based on anything other than nonsense and wildly speculative theories. Allow more evidence to actually reveal itself so that we can have intelligent conversations rather than continuing on with whatever this is...
 
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I'd look into trading Hutson to the team that wins the lottery. Not that I don't think much of Hutson, rather that I think at this point the Habs need to get good value out of the glut of D prospect they have and Hutson could fetch an enticing return, even more so with a possible Celebrini reunion
Hutson and who else?
 
This is not true. Some individuals are genetically limited in their capacity to gain weight, but also to keep it when they can add a little. I gave this example a couple of times before, but look at Aleksi Heponiemi. Listed at 148 lbs at 17 in his draft year. He was very talented piling up points in the WHL. Was drafted at #40 by Florida in 2017. He left at 19 to play with Karpat in Liiga, a mens league and got great stats there in the regular season, 46 points in 50 games. But the first red flag came during the playoffs that season, only three points in 17 games. After that he played in the AHL with 25 games with the Panthers and he left last summer for the Swiss league, got seriuosly injured ther early on and has 17 points in 22 games.

The thing is, that now a grown man, at age 25, Heponiemi weighs only 155 lbs and to me that's the reason why he was unable to establish himself in the NHL. Look at Kailer Yamamoto, drafted 22th overall by the Oilers, also in 2017. Like Heponiemi he is now 25 and weighs 153 lbs. Yes, he plays in the NHL, but he is not an impact player. The funny thing, Yamamoto was listed at 159 lbs in his draft year. I know these two players are not Hutson. My point is to show that some skinny players are just unable to add weight and keep it and in the end it has an impact on their ceiling.

We can't know for certain how much he'll gain but it's simple math that he'll put on some weight. Add calories and work out, you'll gain weight. Unless he goes through another growth spurt then he'll be able to start putting on weight. Even the skinniest guys can do it if they work at it.

He's a pro athelete and I'd be surprised if he can't hit 180 within a couple of years.

There's no doubt he's way too light right now but long term it's something that they can work on.
 
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This is not true. Some individuals are genetically limited in their capacity to gain weight, but also to keep it when they can add a little. I gave this example a couple of times before, but look at Aleksi Heponiemi. Listed at 148 lbs at 17 in his draft year. He was very talented piling up points in the WHL. Was drafted at #40 by Florida in 2017. He left at 19 to play with Karpat in Liiga, a mens league and got great stats there in the regular season, 46 points in 50 games. But the first red flag came during the playoffs that season, only three points in 17 games. After that he played in the AHL with 25 games with the Panthers and he left last summer for the Swiss league, got seriuosly injured ther early on and has 17 points in 22 games.

The thing is, that now a grown man, at age 25, Heponiemi weighs only 155 lbs and to me that's the reason why he was unable to establish himself in the NHL. Look at Kailer Yamamoto, drafted 22th overall by the Oilers, also in 2017. Like Heponiemi he is now 25 and weighs 153 lbs. Yes, he plays in the NHL, but he is not an impact player. The funny thing, Yamamoto was listed at 159 lbs in his draft year. I know these two players are not Hutson. My point is to show that some skinny players are just unable to add weight and keep it and in the end it has an impact on their ceiling.
Nobody denies that some people put on weight easier than others. That’s why I’d say it’ll take Hutson a couple of years to get to 180. Other guys would be able to do it a lot quicker.

Lots of calories, lots of working out… you’re going to gain weight.
 
I'd look into trading Hutson to the team that wins the lottery. Not that I don't think much of Hutson, rather that I think at this point the Habs need to get good value out of the glut of D prospect they have and Hutson could fetch an enticing return, even more so with a possible Celebrini reunion

Yeah nothing could go wrong in trading away a small offensive defensemen whos breaking NCAA records... they rarely make it to the NHL anywayz....

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Yeah nothing could go wrong in trading away a small offensive defensemen whos breaking NCAA records... they rarely make it to the NHL anywayz....

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Yeah, quite a few smaller blueliners coming in. Adam Fox is an inch taller and 180lbs. It’s a different league than it used to be. The clutching and grabbing era is long gone.

That doesn’t mean he won’t have limitations. He’s also not going to be able to play the rover style that he does now, but the skills are there.
 
Yeah, quite a few smaller blueliners coming in. Adam Fox is an inch taller and 180lbs. It’s a different league than it used to be. The clutching and grabbing era is long gone.

That doesn’t mean he won’t have limitations. He’s also not going to be able to play the rover style that he does now, but the skills are there.
The way Fox plays gives me hope for Hutson for sure.
 
Don't worry about his size, just pair him with a bigger physical guy like: Ghule or Xhekaj.

You will want team toughness to maybe prevent some guys from taking certain liberties.... but that should be happening regardless of Hutson. A big defensive partner on its own won't do it.

I have no idea what Huston will be in the nhl, although I tend to lean towards more of a specialist than a #1 D, although I really hope I'm wrong because that's something the Habs do not seem to have in the pipeline.

The disparity between floor and ceiling is wild on this guy. He could be anything from a strict PP specialist to a star #1 D, and that's what makes him the most fascinating prospect in the system.
 
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Trading Lane Hutson would be the stupiest thing ever.

I don't know the mentality of some people, they want TALENT in Habs team and now we have LANE HUTSON... they want to trade him because he is small.

Quinn Hughes is small aswell, Torey Krug same size of Lane Hutson, he have great NHL career.

Finally MTL have a prospect with huge talent, some people want to trade him, come on. Thanks god you are not Habs gm, trade talent like that.
 
Hutson may have a lot of limitations and the very low floor that he has cannot be ignored considering his size and skating.

On the other end, he is doing things that has never been seen in the NCAA. He is breaking record by quite the margin of defenseman that are over PPG players in the NHL. He is displaying elite, elite offensive tools. Gamebreaking talent.

It would be foolish to ignore his flaws. It also very foolish to ignore his ceiling, as it is sky high. A prime 80-100 points defenseman in the NHL should look exactly like this at age 19-20 in the NCAA.

We won't know where he will fall between his floor and his ceiling. Impossible to predict.

But there is simply no point in trading him, there is no upside in trading a player with his upside despite the flaws. Let's just discover it ourselves since he can be a franchise altering talent for us.
 
Hutson may have a lot of limitations and the very low floor that he has cannot be ignored considering his size and skating.

On the other end, he is doing things that has never been seen in the NCAA. He is breaking record by quite the margin of defenseman that are over PPG players in the NHL. He is displaying elite, elite offensive tools. Gamebreaking talent.

It would be foolish to ignore his flaws. It also very foolish to ignore his ceiling, as it is sky high. A prime 80-100 points defenseman in the NHL should look exactly like this at age 19-20 in the NCAA.

We won't know where he will fall between his floor and his ceiling. Impossible to predict.

But there is simply no point in trading him, there is no upside in trading a player with his upside despite the flaws. Let's just discover it ourselves since he can be a franchise altering talent for us.

Agreed. For better or worse, the right decision is to just let this prospect unfold and see what happens.

Not only because of that ceiling, but also because if he hits anywhere close to that ceiling, then he also solves an issue that currently isn't addressed in the pipeline (lack of #1 D)
 
Did we forget how we got into the finals a few years ago? Do you remember how rough we played? EVERYBODY in the post game interviews looked like they went 10 rounds with Tyson.

THAT is what concerns me about Hutson. If he is our top offensive D he's going to be a peniata. I don't care if we have X and Little X, as well as a team full of guys who can take care of business, he WILL be targeted.

Two things will determine his future...how tough he mentally AND physically because he WILL be tested.

Stay tuned....
 
Did we forget how we got into the finals a few years ago? Do you remember how rough we played? EVERYBODY in the post game interviews looked like they went 10 rounds with Tyson.

THAT is what concerns me about Hutson. If he is our top offensive D he's going to be a peniata. I don't care if we have X and Little X, as well as a team full of guys who can take care of business, he WILL be targeted.

Two things will determine his future...how tough he mentally AND physically because he WILL be tested.

Stay tuned....

Habs getting in finals because of Covid system. Without Covid, no finals for Habs sorry not sorry. Because they would play against TB before finals and lose against TB.
 
Did we forget how we got into the finals a few years ago? Do you remember how rough we played? EVERYBODY in the post game interviews looked like they went 10 rounds with Tyson.

THAT is what concerns me about Hutson. If he is our top offensive D he's going to be a peniata. I don't care if we have X and Little X, as well as a team full of guys who can take care of business, he WILL be targeted.

Two things will determine his future...how tough he mentally AND physically because he WILL be tested.

Stay tuned....

The Canucks are having a good season where arguably their two best players are hughes and Petterson. Both of them have slight frames.

It could be a good case study to see how their playoffs go.
 
Nothing could go wrong with trading world record beater Lane Hutson. I mean surely we can get good value, but whats wrong with acquiring a top 6 player when you may give a potential ppg defenseman in return?
He shouldn't be, I was just outlining a plan to insulate him and prepare him best to succeed
 
Trading Lane Hutson would be the stupiest thing ever.

I don't know the mentality of some people, they want TALENT in Habs team and now we have LANE HUTSON... they want to trade him because he is small.

Quinn Hughes is small aswell, Torey Krug same size of Lane Hutson, he have great NHL career.

Finally MTL have a prospect with huge talent, some people want to trade him, come on. Thanks god you are not Habs gm, trade talent like that.
The only trade that makes even the slightest sense is for a proven young center.

Let's say Ducks get 1st OA and want to keep Celebrini with Hutson. Then I'm good prying MacTavish from them. Let them play the odds on what Hutson can become.

At no point does it make even the slightest sense to trade him for someone with "potential" or a draft pick.
 
The Canucks are having a good season where arguably their two best players are hughes and Petterson. Both of them have slight frames.

It could be a good case study to see how their playoffs go.
I don't know if there is any team heading for the playoffs that was as rough as we were in our cup run.

If the Canucks meet Avs, I don't see a problem but if it's the Panthers, I can guarantee that Tkachuk, Bennet and Gadjovik will take runs at them.

Let's see how it plays out, particularly with the refs.
 
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