Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

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No it's bad skating paired with low IQ. A huge problem I see with fast skaters is they try and fail to be like McDavid. The decision making at that speed isn't possible for them consistently. I'd rather have a high IQ player who's an average skater than a lower IQ player who can out skate everyone.
The problem with fast skaters if they don't mid to high IQ is they can't process the game fast enough. That's JA main problem btw. My coach when i was young was calling this "having the legs faster than the brain". It's a rough translation it was in joual and it sounded better in joual. McJesus and Pavel Bure main attribute was not speed but the ability to play the game at that speed.
 
It is also bad skating, low IQ, and lack of skill. Skating is absolutely an important factor, it can seriously limit someone’s upside. Skill and IQ are also very important factors, but skating needs to be taken into account. KK isn’t exactly someone with low IQ but his skating is complete trash that he can’t do anything.
Actually one of my biggest problems with KK was his inability to anticipate plays. He follows the play well as it's going on but not where it's going. Reminds me of my 9 year old nephew lol
 
His skating is sufficient, and the sport is called hockey, not skating. He'll be fine.

His skating is sufficient for junior/college.....not yet for the NHL. This does not mean that he will not be able to make any plays but it does mean that he is going to get horrifically exposed against top forwards at times.

I can't even imagine how futile he would be against the McDavid's and Mackinnons of the league when he can barely pivot or backskate and is too weak to angle them off when they drop a shoulder.

I think he will have extreme highs and lows if he starts in the NHL and I think such an appointment would likely be very temporary.

The problem with fast skaters if they don't mid to high IQ is they can't process the game fast enough. That's JA main problem btw. My coach when i was young was calling this "having the legs faster than the brain". It's a rough translation it was in joual and it sounded better in joual. McJesus and Pavel Bure main attribute was not speed but the ability to play the game at that speed.

IQ is paramount but the smaller a player is the more important speed becomes.
 
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Uff that's a tough game for Boston University. They lost both games vs North Eastern in OT this year.
It's a bloody dumb format to begin with given the talent in the NCAA.
They should be doing a 3 of 5 minimum with the relatively few games they play.

Keep the frozen four the same if you like or even implement a Mem cup format.

My NCAA rant is now over for another season.
 
The issue for me is purely physics/science. How can having a 5'9" (if that) 160lb peewee boy body playing Defense in the NHL be considered valuable? Sure he's gifted, sure he can add zest to a PP, but then at that point he is basically a Forward disguised as a D.

Bc we arent oohing and ahhing about his Defense, all his highlight reels are offensive. Ive yet to see anything defensively that makes him feared?

He's no different than if we made CC play Defense or debrincat, etc.... hell why not atp?

Adam Fox won a norris trophy. And is only 1.5 inches taller and less then 20lbs heavier. Hutson will put on Mass likely end up around 175-180lbs over the next few years.
 
The issue for me is purely physics/science. How can having a 5'9" (if that) 160lb peewee boy body playing Defense in the NHL be considered valuable? Sure he's gifted, sure he can add zest to a PP, but then at that point he is basically a Forward disguised as a D.

Bc we arent oohing and ahhing about his Defense, all his highlight reels are offensive. Ive yet to see anything defensively that makes him feared?

He's no different than if we made CC play Defense or debrincat, etc.... hell why not atp?
Because the NHL regular season of present is not the brute force game of yesteryear.

Now playoffs are another matter..
 
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Adam Fox won a norris trophy. And is only 1.5 inches taller and less then 20lbs heavier. Hutson will put on Mass likely end up around 175-180lbs over the next few years.

No - you're wrong.

One thing I've learned on this board over the last two years is that teenagers don't grow, they also don't put on weight and muscle, and players can't progress unless they are drafted by other teams.
 
No - you're wrong.

One thing I've learned on this board over the last two years is that teenagers don't grow, they also don't put on weight and muscle, and players can't progress unless they are drafted by other teams.

Lmfao, I know your being sarcastic but it's wild to me how many people believe it.

At 17 I was 5'9 165 by 20 I was 5'10 195 and was lean.
 
Lmfao, I know your being sarcastic but it's wild to me how many people believe it.

At 17 I was 5'9 165 by 20 I was 5'10 195 and was lean.

You do realize that your experience is entirely irrelevant when trying to transpose it onto another human being with an entirely different genetic back ground.....right?

None of us know how he will fill out so for you to ridicule those who are concerned about the fact that this 20 year he has gained almost zero mass in the last calendar year based on the fact that you gained significant mass between the ages of 17-20 is irrelevant. You are not forming a rational series of ideas and the conclusion is predictably ridiculous.

All that we know for certain is that he absolutely needs to get stronger and gain mass. His ability to do so is an unknown so can we just stop making proclamations that are not based on anything other than nonsense and wildly speculative theories. Allow more evidence to actually reveal itself so that we can have intelligent conversations rather than continuing on with whatever this is...
 
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Everybody is double dosing on hopium that Hutson will lead our PP to the promised land.

Meanwhile...

Mailman is the 4th highest scoring defenseman in the AHL.
Hutson is much, much more dynamic and smarter on how he QB a PP.

Not that Mailloux is bad, i think he’s pretty good with his shot from the point.
 
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You do realize that your experience is entirely irrelevant when trying to transpose it onto another human being with an entirely different genetic back ground.....right?

None of us know how he will fill out so for you to ridicule those who are concerned about the fact that this 20 year he has gained almost zero mass in the last calendar year based on the fact that you gained significant mass between the ages of 17-20 you are not forming a rational series of ideas and the conclusion is predictably ridiculous.

All that we know for certain is that he absolutely needs to get stronger and gain mass. His ability to do so is an unknown so can we just stop making proclamations that are not based on anything other than nonsense and wildly speculative theories. Allow more evidence to actually reveal itself so that we can have intelligent conversations rather than continuing on with whatever this is...
We can't know for certain how much he'll gain but it's simple math that he'll put on some weight. Add calories and work out, you'll gain weight. Unless he goes through another growth spurt then he'll be able to start putting on weight. Even the skinniest guys can do it if they work at it.

He's a pro athelete and I'd be surprised if he can't hit 180 within a couple of years.

There's no doubt he's way too light right now but long term it's something that they can work on.
 
Everybody is double dosing on hopium that Hutson will lead our PP to the promised land.

Meanwhile...

Mailman is the 4th highest scoring defenseman in the AHL.

I've been very high on both from the start, I had Hutson ranked 1st and Mailloux 3rd behind Roy. I've had Mailloux at the top before but this was the first time since watching Hutson that I started to wonder if I got it wrong and should have put Mailloux over him as Hutson is more skilled and I think he is better defensively at least in terms of IQ but it's going to be a tough task to be a top pairing blueliner in say 5 years, if he doesn't add some weight, strength and work on his pivots more as he lacks power in a major way but is so smart and shifty.

While Mailloux has clearly has some issues in his own end, as many offensive minded D will have and i've said in the past I feel there may at one point up until the last few months that he needed to mature a bit and become the star that his skill level mixed with physical tools of size, reach, skating, shot, etc.., that's a lot to work with for the development team. He'll need to be with someone to cover for his mistakes but the improvement is impressive when you consider how much KEY development time he's missed.

I have no clue what Hutson will be in the NHL other then he will be in the NHL no question as the skill is as good as a Makar, Hughes, Fox but he's smaller, and still working on his skating, strength part so until you see him in the NHL it's going to be impossible to guess as to how it will go. Farrell dominated the NCAA at 21 and was easily one of the best players in the league, possible 2nd best but the NHL is a huge jump and his lack of speed, skating, strength and size were an issue and will continue to be until he gets better there or not. I would expect Hutson to have similar issuess as Farrell but he's younger, more skilled, quicker and a better skater imo. So I would expect Hutson would do better but I wouldn't want to see them rush him.

In the 20+ years that I have been closely following prospects I have never seen anyone like Lane Hutson before, his style is just different and trying to speculate on how that will translate is very difficult when you have nothing to go off to compare. All I know is I will not bet against him, he's shown me that he has an incredible skill level that rivals ANY Hab prospect I have ever seen. But it's going to be tough for him I would expect until he can work on some things.

Mailloux is a prospect you dream on because if he ever puts it all together you could have a top 10 D in the league (saying 5 years down the road) but he's shown the missed time or the IQ just isn't great or a bit of both but either way he's shown he makes a number of just poor decisions in his own end but has certainly shown a lot of progress there all things considered.

The question is can his offense overcome the defensive issues as it's very clear he's going to be an NHLer as he has it all but the defensive part and that has at least improved so until it stops improving you can't say how good he will really be other then it's looking safe to say he will be an NHLer as his production is Subban rookie year level once you look past the really rough first 2 weeks or so of the season.

With Hutson, Mailloux, Reinbacher, Engstrom, the Habs are about to add 4 NHLers to their blueline in the coming seasons and that is going to be huge, just a question of how big and to me it's varies wildly from shit to stars and everything in between as there are a number of very interesting things but also lots of question marks other then all 4 will see NHL games in the next 2 years. This is their strength, so what these 4 end up are going to sway things one direction or the other as it has the chance to put the Habs back on the map if they develop these kids right and we get lucky.
 
I've been very high on both from the start, I had Hutson ranked 1st and Mailloux 3rd behind Roy. I've had Mailloux at the top before but this was the first time since watching Hutson that I started to wonder if I got it wrong and should have put Mailloux over him as Hutson is more skilled and I think he is better defensively at least in terms of IQ but it's going to be a tough task to be a top pairing blueliner in say 5 years, if he doesn't add some weight, strength and work on his pivots more as he lacks power in a major way but is so smart and shifty.

While Mailloux has clearly has some issues in his own end, as many offensive minded D will have and i've said in the past I feel there may at one point up until the last few months that he needed to mature a bit and become the star that his skill level mixed with physical tools of size, reach, skating, shot, etc.., that's a lot to work with for the development team. He'll need to be with someone to cover for his mistakes but the improvement is impressive when you consider how much KEY development time he's missed.

I have no clue what Hutson will be in the NHL other then he will be in the NHL no question as the skill is as good as a Makar, Hughes, Fox but he's smaller, and still working on his skating, strength part so until you see him in the NHL it's going to be impossible to guess as to how it will go. Farrell dominated the NCAA at 21 and was easily one of the best players in the league, possible 2nd best but the NHL is a huge jump and his lack of speed, skating, strength and size were an issue and will continue to be until he gets better there or not. I would expect Hutson to have similar issuess as Farrell but he's younger, more skilled, quicker and a better skater imo. So I would expect Hutson would do better but I wouldn't want to see them rush him.

In the 20+ years that I have been closely following prospects I have never seen anyone like Lane Hutson before, his style is just different and trying to speculate on how that will translate is very difficult when you have nothing to go off to compare. All I know is I will not bet against him, he's shown me that he has an incredible skill level that rivals ANY Hab prospect I have ever seen. But it's going to be tough for him I would expect until he can work on some things.

Mailloux is a prospect you dream on because if he ever puts it all together you could have a top 10 D in the league (saying 5 years down the road) but he's shown the missed time or the IQ just isn't great or a bit of both but either way he's shown he makes a number of just poor decisions in his own end but has certainly shown a lot of progress there all things considered.

The question is can his offense overcome the defensive issues as it's very clear he's going to be an NHLer as he has it all but the defensive part and that has at least improved so until it stops improving you can't say how good he will really be other then it's looking safe to say he will be an NHLer as his production is Subban rookie year level once you look past the really rough first 2 weeks or so of the season.

With Hutson, Mailloux, Reinbacher, Engstrom, the Habs are about to add 4 NHLers to their blueline in the coming seasons and that is going to be huge, just a question of how big and to me it's varies wildly from shit to stars and everything in between as there are a number of very interesting things but also lots of question marks other then all 4 will see NHL games in the next 2 years. This is their strength, so what these 4 end up are going to sway things one direction or the other as it has the chance to put the Habs back on the map if they develop these kids right and we get lucky.
Mailman started the season with his OHL brain and thought he can play rover without consequences. He needed a complete overhaul on playing defense first while putting his offence on hold.

Too many people thought he can't think the game on the NHL level but what I saw was a youngster that missed development and needed time and coaching to learn and process the game on the NHL.

I see him as two years out to play top 6 overall and definatly top 2 in offence. Probably top 4 overall in 3 yrs. I can see him on our 1st power play.

Hutson has a size problem and it won't go away. I see him protected top 6 that has to have a top BIG defensive partner. A comparable would be Mete. He could skate and has vision but he can't escape his size, going nowhere fast in the NHL. The massive difference is that Hutson has the incredible offence that will keep him in the NHL but will never make him top 2.

Players like Struble, Harris, Barron, etc will not be around in 3 years. What's good enough for a bottom feeder is not going to cut it as a top 10 team.
 
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