Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

[Scriptor]

Hope for 10 lbs lean. 20 on his frame unlikely to happen. And if it did, he’d really slow down

175 lbs would be a good weight at 5'10" for Hutson.

My ideal weight at 5'7" was 175 lbs, but my frame is much wider than Hutson's frame.

You can't transplant a new frame.

 

[Scriptor]

We have way to many LD. If you trade Barron. It would leave you with only Renbacher as the RD.

Mailloux is a RD and would be playing on a third pair with Xhekaj.

Guhle would be playing with Reinbacher on a shutdown first pairing.

I believe we should trade for, or sign a UFA in order to get a D that can play with Hutson and protect him with mobility, phyicality and defensive acumen. That type of D needn't look to play to their offensive upside because Hutson will drive the play by himself. That type of D is easier to acquire, whichever way it is done and they don't cost as much as more offensive Ds.

Barron has too many weaknesses in his game, IMO.

 

[jfm133]

Barron is just 22. Imagine Matheson or Petry at 22. These three players weakness at 22 was decision making with the puck, but the three of them had/have all the other assets needed to be a very good D in the NHL, size, speed, lateral mobility, shot. Decision making can be improved with experience. Also, playing with a best group of forwards in the future should help a player like Barron. He will have better pass options.

 

[Gravity]

Barron is just 22. Imagine Matheson or Petry at 22. These three players weakness at 22 was decision making with the puck, but the three of them had/have all the other assets needed to be a very good D in the NHL, size, speed, lateral mobility, shot. Decision making can be improved with experience. Also, playing with a best group of forwards in the future should help a player like Barron. He will have better pass options.

Is he getting traded?

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

No you can’t. An

175 lbs would be a good weight at 5'10" for Hutson.

My ideal weight at 5'7" was 175 lbs, but my frame is much wider than Hutson's frame.

You can't transplant a new frame.

tbh, 175 at 5’7” under 10% BF( like most makers) is not ideal weight. It would be very thick. He does have a small frame. What he needs is weight in his legs for power. This coming from a long time trainer

 

[rahad]

Mailloux is a RD and would be playing on a third pair with Xhekaj.

Guhle would be playing with Reinbacher on a shutdown first pairing.

I believe we should trade for, or sign a UFA in order to get a D that can play with Hutson and protect him with mobility, phyicality and defensive acumen. That type of needn't look to play to their offensive upside because Hutson will drive the play by himself. That type of D is easier to acquire, whichever way it is done and they don't cost as much as more offensive Ds.

Barron has too many weaknesses in his game, IMO.

Our defensive core is good enough. We don't need to trade for anyone. Our main focus should be about fixing our forwards. We are one of the few team with out any single PPG player. Our last PPG player has Alex kovalev.

Honestly, I'm happy with the young D core. we have a good balance of size, skill and speed. We only lack a true #1 D (kinda like Markov, Subban or Weber). But the main focus should be to draft or trade for a good elite top 6 forward (to play with Dach).

 

[bonneaug]

Mailloux is a RD and would be playing on a third pair with Xhekaj.

Guhle would be playing with Reinbacher on a shutdown first pairing.

I believe we should trade for, or sign a UFA in order to get a D that can play with Hutson and protect him with mobility, phyicality and defensive acumen. That type of needn't look to play to their offensive upside because Hutson will drive the play by himself. That type of D is easier to acquire, whichever way it is done and they don't cost as much as more offensive Ds.

Barron has too many weaknesses in his game, IMO.

I’m unsure why we keep penciling Mailloux to the third pair… He has much more potential than that. Think of Jon Merril. Think of Jarred Tinordi. If you’ve seen the past 10-15 games of the Rocket, you know sky’s the limit for him. He’s starting to use all those tools we’ve seen in the OHL, doing the good and reliable, plus the fancy stuff.

He’s offense. As it stands, I don’t see a stay-at-home first pairing, it’s not in the cards with our pool. Hutson will need his anchor, and so will Mailloux.

It’s much more likely we eventually get Guhle-Mailloux, Hutson-Reinbacher, and then a mix-and-match of whoever’s left (Struble, X, Barron, etc.)

We’re doing it the Nashville way. Hutson is our Ellis, Guhle is Suter, etc. Two insane pairs that split almost even

 

[Gustave]

Our defensive core is good enough. We don't need to trade for anyone. Our main focus should be about fixing our forwards. We are one of the few team with out any single PPG player. Our last PPG player has Alex kovalev.

Honestly, I'm happy with the young D core. we have a good balance of size, skill and speed. We only lack a true #1 D (kinda like Markov, Subban or Weber). But the main focus should be to draft or trade for a good elite top 6 forward (to play with Dach).

Well said. For years we've blamed the different coaches and their systems. Puck dumping, defense style first, dump and chase, etc. But truth of the matter is: we don't have the players to get the points and the goals.

Look at MSL, he's all in on offense, and we still don't move the needle on the F side. We have an advantageous era now where points come easier than 10 years ago and we still can't manage to show up with stats. Our D this season produces a lot of goals. It's an insane thing to watch; wear a Habs jersey and it will shave points of your O output if you're a forward.

 

[Guy Larose]

you need a high school degree to understand the conditions on that pick so idk if we can or will

Damn, I finished high-school and I forgot to ask for my degree. I got screwed.

 

[Scriptor]

Barron is just 22. Imagine Matheson or Petry at 22. These three players weakness at 22 was decision making with the puck, but the three of them had/have all the other assets needed to be a very good D in the NHL, size, speed, lateral mobility, shot. Decision making can be improved with experience. Also, playing with a best group of forwards in the future should help a player like Barron. He will have better pass options.

If you're willing to wait as long as it took for Petry to become what he became when it comes to Barron, with the remaining flaws inconsistency, you should perhaps look to see if Mailloux, Reinbacher and a veteran UFA to play with Hutson won't get you to a much better place much faster and without as much negative fallout on the ice as when Barron screws the pooch defensively without being remotely physical his own zone?

After that, it's a question of not having enough room for everyone in a role that they will accept without ruining their confidence.

I don't think we can go with Barron as 7th D without scrapping any upside he might still have.

I just recommend that we play him a lot, defensive warts and all, including on the PP (pairing partner with Matheson on PP1, or as the D on PP2) until the trade deadline next yearend trade him then at a higher value to make room for the others.

We end up with at least another 2nd round pick in 2025 (3rd one, as of now) for Barron, IMO. Either that, or keep him as depth because we would also be getting rid of Matheson and Savard by then.

Have Barron fight it out with Mailloux and whomever we get as a veteran D to play with Hutson.

I'm certain that Barron would not be a good pairing partner with Hutson and that we're better off with Reinbacher to play with Guhle as a shutdown pair. Mailloux, while bringing similar (if not better) offensive upside than Barron, can at least bring a better physical element, while also bringing the skating that Barron brings.

At some point, why force it with Barron when you have better options?

 

[Scriptor]

No you can’t. An
tbh, 175 at 5’7” under 10% BF( like most makers) is not ideal weight. It would be very thick. He does have a small frame. What he needs is weight in his legs for power. This coming from a long time trainer

At 5'7", it's not a classically ideal weight, but that was me and it is an ideal weight for Hutson at 5'10".

You are right that he needs weight in his legs for power in order to improve his skating and hold his own in puck battles.

The legs also have the largest muscle group in the body and it's the easiest place to add significant weight quickly.

I weighed as low as 145 lbs at 5'7", with cut Abs but that wasn't the healthiest with my frame. My legs were strong at 175 lbs, as was my upper body.

Weight charts dont take into account body types nearly enough.

I also weighed up to 205 lbs with little fat at the same height. Yet, according to weight charts, I would have been obese.

I weighed 180lbs at the same height where I was fatter than at 205lbs.

Standard are flawed.

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

4 assists for Hutson tonight.

 

[montreal]

he could easily of had 5 or 6 points tonight.

 

[Scriptor]

I’m unsure why we keep penciling Mailloux to the third pair… He has much more potential than that. Think of Jon Merril. Think of Jarred Tinordi. If you’ve seen the past 10-15 games of the Rocket, you know sky’s the limit for him. He’s starting to use all those tools we’ve seen in the OHL, doing the good and reliable, plus the fancy stuff.

He’s offense. As it stands, I don’t see a stay-at-home first pairing, it’s not in the cards with our pool. Hutson will need his anchor, and so will Mailloux.

It’s much more likely we eventually get Guhle-Mailloux, Hutson-Reinbacher, and then a mix-and-match of whoever’s left (Struble, X, Barron, etc.)

We’re doing it the Nashville way. Hutson is our Ellis, Guhle is Suter, etc. Two insane pairs that split almost even

I used to think:

Guhle-Mailloux, or Hutson Reinbacher as the first pair and the other one as the second, but neither pair would be ideal against the opponents 'best players.

Where do you see nothing more than a stay-at-home pairing in Guhle-Reinbacher?

There's a difference between a stay-at-home pairing and a shutdown pairing withoffensive upside.

Much as you state that we don't give enough credit to Mailloux, you don't give enough credit to Guhle for his offensive upside.

With Reinbacher to help insulate Guhle, by gauging the game, he will be able to choose the right times to take more offensive risks.

Playing with a D other than Reinbacher to insulate him, Hutson will still create plenty of offense. If it's not Struble, it will be a UFA.

Playing with Xhekaj, Mailloux will still create plenty of offense.

MSL will be able to regularly roll out any D pairing, IMO but, at home, he will match up Guhle-Reinbacher against the McDavids and such...

 

[GHJimmy]

It's crazy how his story line has been lately, I love how they said he had a job in wjc and he showcased it was just another easy job.

Such a dynamic player, he also showed that its okay to make mistakes, he just doesn't stop every shift.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Life in the fast;

 

[cave troll]

Our defensive core is good enough. We don't need to trade for anyone. Our main focus should be about fixing our forwards. We are one of the few team with out any single PPG player. Our last PPG player has Alex kovalev.

Honestly, I'm happy with the young D core. we have a good balance of size, skill and speed. We only lack a true #1 D (kinda like Markov, Subban or Weber). But the main focus should be to draft or trade for a good elite top 6 forward (to play with Dach).

For that kind of player we must trade, I'll say, 2 good players from out D prospect core, or a 1 st and one prospect.

 

[HuGort]

Hutson should improve our powerplay and 3 on 3. Habs play A LOT of 1 goal games. He likely improve our overall points greatly.

 

[BenchBrawl]

The time to trade him is now. Get maximal value.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The time to trade him is now. Get maximal value.

Get out.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Get out.

We'll see if I was right in time.

 

[Heineman Mineman]

Life in the fast;

View attachment 807342

There is an article in la Presse today about this. An interesting read, which isn't usual anymore from this journalist (he followed the exact same curve as Elliotte Friedman imo). Brunet also compares Hutson's skating to Ribeiro's, which I found interesting since I mostly follow the Habs

La Hutsonmania vient de naître…: Rondelle libre | La Hutsonmania vient de naître…

 

[Habricot]

I’m unsure why we keep penciling Mailloux to the third pair… He has much more potential than that. Think of Jon Merril. Think of Jarred Tinordi. If you’ve seen the past 10-15 games of the Rocket, you know sky’s the limit for him. He’s starting to use all those tools we’ve seen in the OHL, doing the good and reliable, plus the fancy stuff.

He’s offense. As it stands, I don’t see a stay-at-home first pairing, it’s not in the cards with our pool. Hutson will need his anchor, and so will Mailloux.

It’s much more likely we eventually get Guhle-Mailloux, Hutson-Reinbacher, and then a mix-and-match of whoever’s left (Struble, X, Barron, etc.)

We’re doing it the Nashville way. Hutson is our Ellis, Guhle is Suter, etc. Two insane pairs that split almost even

It depends what you see in Mailloux and Xhekaj as a pair. If you restrict your mind to day a 3rd pair absolutely needs to be a shutdown pari then you are missing the point. I believe if you have a top 6 of Matheson-Ghule, Struble-Savard and Xhekaj-Mailloux you have 3 pairs that can play both end of the ring. where the 1st pair may provide you a bit more offence, the second pair a bit more dfense and the 3rd pair is even. Hutson and Reinbacher can develop quietly in the AHL for at least 1 full season.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

He’s nuts, people saying he can’t play defense well enough to succeed in the NHL are just trying to cope

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

The time to trade him is now. Get maximal value.

Oh no his value will be much higher when he goes a PPG with the Habs.

THEN you trade him.